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Alexander Hybrid or Alexander Latex Hybrid

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07 Nov 2016 15:13 #1 by kbayless
Thank you for this GREAT resource. I have read the blog, forum and tutorial as aids to help me zero in on options that catch my attention. I would welcome insight/considerations for pros/cons between the Alexander Hybrid and the Alexander Latex Hybrid mattress. Appreciate insights!

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07 Nov 2016 16:46 - 25 Nov 2018 19:08 #2 by Phoenix
Hi kbayless,

Welcome to the Mattress Forum! :)

Thank you for this GREAT resource.


You’re welcome!

I'm not sure what you've read since you found the site but just in case you haven't read it yet ... the first place to start your research is the mattress shopping tutorial here which includes all the basic information, steps, and guidelines that can help you make the best possible choice ... and perhaps more importantly know how and why to avoid the worst ones.

I

would welcome insight/considerations for pros/cons between the Alexander Hybrid and the Alexander Latex Hybrid mattress


Here are the specifications of the Nest Bedding Alexander Signature Hybrid:
1.5" Soft Quilted Cover
2" 3.5 lb Copper Infused Memory Foam
2" of our SmartFlow Foam (1.8 lb porous, punched polyfoam)
7” 5 zone pocketed coil unit with Edge Support.

While I can't speak to how a mattress will feel for someone else ... in terms of the quality and durability of the materials ... the 3.5 lb memory foam would be generally be a slightly lower quality/density and less durable material than 4 lb memory foam and would be "on the edge" or slightly less than the minimum foam density guidelines I would normally suggest so I would be cautious for anyone that is in a higher than average weight range or BMI.

The innerspring is zoned which would affect the feel and performance of the mattress and may make it more suitable for a higher percentage of people but there is also a reduction in the type and amount of specialty foam materials in the comfort layers above the spring as well so the mattress would have less of a memory foam "feel" with the thinner layer of memory foam and the more resilient "feel" of the polyfoam underneath it.

The soft version of the Nest Alexander Signature Series uses ...
1.5" polyfoam quilted to the cover
2" 4 lb gel memory foam
2" 4 lb memory foam
3" 1.8 lb hole punched polyfoam
4" 1.8 lb polyfoam.

The medium version uses ...
2" 1.5 lb. polyfoam quilted to the cover
4" 4 lb gel memory foam
1" 4 lb memory foam
2" 1.8 lb hole punched polyfoam
4" 1.8 lb polyfoam

The luxury firm version uses ...
1.5" polyfoam quilted to the cover
2" 4 lb gel memory foam
3" 1.8 lb hole punched polyfoam
4" 1.8 lb polyfoam.

All of these are good quality materials that would be suitable for more average weight ranges but I would be cautious for those that are in higher weight/BMI ranges (a BMI of 30 or more).

The medium version also uses a little thicker 2" quilting layer and I would normally suggest no more than "about an inch or so" of lower quality/density layers in a mattress and once there is about 2" or more of lower quality/density foam (less than 1.8 lb density for polyfoam in a one sided mattress) or "unknown" materials in the upper layers of a mattress then the odds of premature foam softening and breakdown would be a little higher.

Assessing the durability of a mattress is just a matter of knowing the density of the memory foam and polyfoam in the mattress and comparing them to the quality/durability guidelines here .

All the layers and components in a mattress affect the feel and performance of all the other layers and components both above and below it and the mattress "as a whole". In terms of "comfort" firmness and PPP the only way to know whether one design of the Alexander would be better or worse for you would be based on your own personal experience. For some people it may be a better "fit" and for others it may be worse depending on their body type, sleeping style, and their own specific needs and preferences.

If you can't test the mattress in person then the most reliable source of guidance is always a more detailed phone conversation with a knowledgeable and experienced retailer or manufacturer that has your best interests at heart and who can help "talk you through" the specifics of their mattresses and the properties and "feel" of the materials they are using (fast or slow response, resilience, firmness etc.) and the options they have available that may be the best "match" for you based on the information you provide them, any local testing you have done or mattresses you have slept on and liked or other mattresses you are considering that they are familiar with, and the "averages" of other customers that are similar to you. They will know more about "matching" their specific mattress designs, options, and firmness levels to different body types, sleeping positions, and preferences (or to other mattresses that they are familiar with) than anyone else.

Their detailed knowledge of their mattresses and how they fit with different body types and sleeping positions along with your feedback from local testing, a customer base of many people that they can use as reference points, and any exchange, return, or any options they have available to customize a mattress after a purchase can help lower the risk of an online purchase. These online retailers or manufacturers can also be a good "value reference" for local purchases to make sure that if you are paying a "premium" for a local purchase (in exchange for the kind of "in person" guidance, service, and value that comes with dealing with a local retailer that can help you make more "accurate" choices that you have tested in person) is not too high.

Nest Bedding has a great return policy that lets you test the mattress in your bedroom instead of a showroom to find out whether it's a good "match" in terms of comfort, firmness, and PPP with little risk outside of the time you spend sleeping on it or returning it should that be necessary.

As you may know, Nest Bedding is a member of this site which means that I think highly of them and I believe that they compete well with the best in the industry in terms of their quality, value, service, knowledge, and transparency.

I look forward to learning about your progress.

Phoenix

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16 Mar 2019 11:43 #3 by sweetandsourkiwi
The Alexander Hybrid has "updated" and is now listed as using memory foams down to 3lb...would these be "weak links?" Thanks in advance!

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19 Mar 2019 17:30 #4 by Phoenix
Hi sweetandsourkiwi.

You are correct, it looks like NestBedding recently reworked the design and layering for this bed so we'll be reaching out to them to get more information and confirm the changes.

Phoenix

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20 Mar 2019 11:18 #5 by sweetandsourkiwi
Thank you! I've taken it out of the running for now. Is the 1.5lb polyfoam in the top cover of the Nest Latex Hybrid a weak link?

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20 Mar 2019 12:19 #6 by Phoenix
Hi sweetandsourkiwi.

Luckily for you, there is no reason to take Alexander Hybrid "out of the running". Nest just followed up on your post and got back to us. The webmaster skipped listing the density of TitanChill which is 4lbs/ft3. They were grateful for the feedback and being kept on their "toes" :cheer: and have listed it promptly on their site here .
As usual, I am very impressed with their responsiveness and what I like to call "consumer-centric" approach.

This is directly from NestBedding's CEO
"we use 4lb foam there is no 3lb memory foam in the bed. We use Energex which comes out to 3lbs but Energex, of course, is not memory foam it’s closer to latex in character and isn’t judged by memory foam standards."

They also mentioned that with the addition of the zipper to the quilted cover top of this mattress they also changed "each top layer of foam to a solid piece of 3" at 4 lb/ft3. TitanChill Endurance Foam".

Here are the updated specs of the (14") Alexander Signature Hybrid

.25" 4 lb. Gel Infused Memory Foam & Soft Quilted Thermic Phase Change Fabric
3" 4 lb/ft3 Medium TitanChill Endurance Foam®
1.5" 3.5 lb/ft3 Copper Infused Energex Foam
1" 3 lb/ft3 SmartFlow Support Foam
8" Quantum Edge Pocketed Support Coils

I remember that you have some health conditions that are more restrictive but I hope this helps with your search for a suitable mattress.

Phoenix.

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20 Mar 2019 12:31 #7 by sweetandsourkiwi
Thank you Phoenix! I'm glad to hear they aren't lowering their standards.

Do you consider the 1.5lb polyfoam in the cover of the Hybrid Latex a weak link?

Going off my memory, this means they increased the Medium Titan Chill Endurance foam from 1.5" to 3" in Nest Alexander Hybrid. So this would make more of a "memory foam" feel in the bed, right? My main concern was sinking in and getting memory foam "hug" (which I strongly dislike) and the fact memory foam and regular foam can feel "hard" after a few hours to me. I thought the Energex might negate that somewhat, but it sounds like it's getting more buried...so I think I'm still headed in a latex direction. Thank you for helping me narrow it down!

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20 Mar 2019 13:05 - 20 Mar 2019 13:07 #8 by Phoenix
Hi sweetandsourkiwi.

Do you consider the 1.5lb polyfoam in the cover of the Hybrid Latex a weak link?


This is not a week link as you can see in the durability guidelines here

Going off my memory, this means they increased the Medium Titan Chill Endurance foam from 1.5" to 3" in Nest Alexander Hybrid.


Nest's old version (13.5") Alexander Signature Hybrid, was not much different from the newer (13.75") ... as it had 2 x 1.5" inch of Energex instead of the 1 x 3" of Energex they are using now.

So this would make more of a "memory foam" feel in the bed, right? My main concern was sinking in and getting memory foam "hug" (which I strongly dislike) and the fact memory foam and regular foam can feel "hard" after a few hours to me. I thought the Energex might negate that somewhat, but it sounds like it's getting more buried...so I think I'm still headed in a latex direction


Latex seems to be a great direction for you to move into for you .... just for the sake of "straightening up" some misconceptions about the Energex ... this is a high-quality polyfoam, one of the newer generation of what I term "high-performance polyfoams" The foam is also more immediate in its response and not have the "hug" and "memory foam feel" quality you strongly dislike. These high-performance polyfoams also tend to be extremely durable and some of them are engineered to provide feels that are somewhat similar to latex, others similar to memory foam, and others simply versions unto themselves. TitanChill should be one of these high-performance polyfoams you’ve seen mentioned on the site described as hyperelastic which would have all the conforming qualities but less the "dead" feel that is characteristic to memory foam.

Hope this helps

Phoenix

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20 Mar 2019 13:18 #9 by sweetandsourkiwi
Thank you Pheonix! The Energex sounds amazing. I'm not quite sure I understand what the TitanChill is...it's memory foam but has a shorter-term memory?

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22 Mar 2019 13:22 #10 by Phoenix
Hi sweetandsourkiwi.

You are welcome!

As NestBedding mentioned in their answer in the earlier post .. there is no Memory Foam in this mattress .. TitanChill as described by NestBedding's CEO.... is a high-quality polyfoam
"we use 4lb foam there is no 3lb memory foam in the bed. We use Energex which comes out to 3lbs but Energex, of course, is not memory foam it’s closer to latex in character and isn’t judged by memory foam standards." ,... one of the newer generation of "high-performance polyfoams"

Phoenix

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