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Getting closer to diy mattress build, need some advice please

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10 Mar 2017 17:24 - 10 Mar 2017 17:29 #11 by Alpharalpha
After doing a bit more research I've started thinking it will be more cost effective for me to buy a latex mattress rather than diy. I've got it down to either Sleep on Latex (is wool REALLY cool to sleep on? seems like it would be the warmest.) Their 7" medium twin xl comes to $679 shipped and from what I've read about Pure Green it seems like a high quality dunlop foam. Weighs 160 lbs. I'll be putting a blended talalay 3" topper on any mattress I buy--am leaning towards Radium.
Foam order also has a 6" latex mattress without wool and it has an inner cover as well, I am having some difficulty pinning them down as to if this is dunlop or talalay as well as it states free shipping but shipping charge shows up in my cart so if all that could get cleared up it's pretty affordable at $618 for a firm twin xl. I have read less positive things about Arpico compared to Pure Green (quality control, just like between radium and talalay global.)
Mattress Net has a 6" blended talalay mattress with the wool quilting on both sides (I think that means on the top and bottom of the mattress so it can be flipped, but maybe they mean on both outer and inner sides of the top of the mattress cover, I'll find out because I like the ability to flip it, and really don't want to expose the latex to air if possible.) Theirs is $700 shipped for the twin xl. They claim to be able to get Radium foam. I really have been starting to have more faith in the dunlop as a core layer, if for nothing else there is more material there.
What do you think about these choices?
Last edit: 10 Mar 2017 17:29 by Alpharalpha.

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11 Mar 2017 11:34 #12 by Phoenix
Hi alpharalpha,

After doing a bit more research I've started thinking it will be more cost effective for me to buy a latex mattress rather than diy. I've got it down to either Sleep on Latex (is wool REALLY cool to sleep on? seems like it would be the warmest.)

Wool is among the best temperature regulating materials but I would also keep in mind that it regulates temperature in both directions (it's used in the desert and also in cold climates because of this) so while it may not feel "cool" ... it generally doesn't feel "hot" either and it also helps to regulate moisture (which can trap heat) and reduce the perception of temperature that comes from higher humidity levels (similar to how temperatures feel cooler on less humid days than they do on more humid days). In general latex is the most breathable foam, but no foam material is as temperature regulating as natural fibers so it's "coolness" would be relative to other types of foam. Some people that are more of an "oven" will also sleep warm if they sleep directly on soft latex with no natural fibers or other breathable materials above the latex (or with a mattress protector that impedes airflow).

Their 7" medium twin xl comes to $679 shipped and from what I've read about Pure Green it seems like a high quality dunlop foam.

They use 100% NR Dunlop from Sri Lanka. All latex is generally a high quality material.

Foam order also has a 6" latex mattress without wool and it has an inner cover as well, I am having some difficulty pinning them down as to if this is dunlop or talalay as well as it states free shipping but shipping charge shows up in my cart so if all that could get cleared up it's pretty affordable at $618 for a firm twin xl.

FoamOrder.com sources foam that is both Talalay and Dunlop. You’d have to contact them to find out their pricing for each style. I can’t tell from the information you provided what they would be providing.

I have read less positive things about Arpico compared to Pure Green (quality control, just like between radium and talalay global.)

Pure Green is a trademark for Sleep on Latex from their foam supplier in Sri Lanka. I’m not aware of any current quality control issues between Arpico, the Pure Green, Radium or Talalay Global, and personally wouldn't have a problem recommending any of them for your consideration.

Mattress Net has a 6" blended talalay mattress with the wool quilting on both sides (I think that means on the top and bottom of the mattress so it can be flipped, but maybe they mean on both outer and inner sides of the top of the mattress cover, I'll find out because I like the ability to flip it, and really don't want to expose the latex to air if possible.) Theirs is $700 shipped for the twin xl. They claim to be able to get Radium foam

Mattresses.net does offer Talalay from Radium and Talalay Global. You’d want to consult with them to find out who they are currently supplying for their blended Talalay, although either company would be a good choice, in my opinion.

I really have been starting to have more faith in the dunlop as a core layer, if for nothing else there is more material there.

For the same ILD, there will be more “material” (less air) in Dunlop than Talalay. Both are durable materials and have their own unique comforts. Dunlop is quite popular for use as latex cores.

What do you think about these choices?

All of the latex you’re considering is a good quality material, and Sleep on Latex and Mattresses.net are site members here, which means that I think highly of them, their products and their advice. It seems like all you need to do is place a few phone calls to these brands you’re considering to confirm a few details before making a final decision.

Phoenix

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13 Mar 2017 06:50 #13 by Alpharalpha
I got mixed up with sleep on latex's pure green and the Sri Lankan company Latex Green. But it may not even matter. I see Foam Sweet Foam uses Dunlop from a company in Vietnam called Lien'A

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13 Mar 2017 12:15 #14 by Phoenix
Hi Alpharalpha,

I see Foam Sweet Foam uses Dunlop from a company in Vietnam called Lien'A

I received good feedback from FSF on the quality of that latex- they've been quite happy with it.

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14 Mar 2017 10:53 - 14 Mar 2017 10:55 #15 by Alpharalpha
I would think it's good quality as they offer a 30 year non-prorated 1/2 indentation warranty. I guess Vietnam has a long history with latex as well. The factory from this video www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n2OJZogZBE seems pretty professionally run. I kinda like that they transport the latex on motorbikes instead of women's heads lol. But, unless they had some kinda big sale they are just out of my price range, plus I've already gotten a lot of info on Latex Green for Dunlop (and Radium for Talalay.) In my price range ideally I'd like a flippable mattress and there's Foam Source's Natural Lux 6" (Latex Green) I used to live in Boulder so feel like I know who I'm dealing with. They have a firm 35-42 ild, cotton cover, no wool--which I'm ambivalent about. Costs $750. I will be adding a 3" topper to whatever I buy.
Then there's mattresses.net, they have a 2 sided Blended Talalay (I believe they offer Radium) 6" wool/bamboo cover, have 32 and 36 ild, probably go with the 36. This one runs $700 shipped.
And then there's Sleep ez, not 2 sided but easiest to get comfort levels right as they let you exchange to get it right, also $700 for the two 3" layered select sleep, and they offer Latex Green (and I think Radium.)
Really I'm into a 2 sided, so it's either Blended Talalay or 100% Dunlop,
I wonder since some companies use a soft polyfoam in their quilting, and mattress in their comfort layers if that would make a decent topper in a 3" HR24 (3.0 lbs)
Getting close now. Did I mention that I had purchased the kd nomad 2 plus 18"?
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14 Mar 2017 14:21 #16 by Phoenix
Hi Alpharalpha,

I would think it's good quality as they offer a 30 year non-prorated 1/2 indentation warranty.

While warranty has nothing to do with durability or quality, the Lien A is a good product.

ideally I'd like a flippable mattress and there's Foam Source's Natural Lux 6" (Latex Green) I used to live in Boulder so feel like I know who I'm dealing with. They have a firm 35-42 ild, cotton cover, no wool--which I'm ambivalent about. Costs $750.

If you get a 6” latex core, you’ll be able to flip it either within the covering, or if the covering is a complete encasement and the same on both sides, you can flip the mattress itself. Realize that when flipping a Dunlop core it may feel a bit firmer on one side versus the other.

Then there's mattresses.net, they have a 2 sided Blended Talalay (I believe they offer Radium) 6" wool/bamboo cover, have 32 and 36 ild, probably go with the 36. This one runs $700 shipped.
And then there's Sleep ez, not 2 sided but easiest to get comfort levels right as they let you exchange to get it right, also $700 for the two 3" layered select sleep, and they offer Latex Green (and I think Radium.)
Really I'm into a 2 sided, so it's either Blended Talalay or 100% Dunlop,

All of the latex choices you listed would be good quality. The difference would be the feel between Dunlop vs. Talalay.

I wonder since some companies use a soft polyfoam in their quilting, and mattress in their comfort layers if that would make a decent topper in a 3" HR24 (3.0 lbs)

That would be a personal preference. Some people do prefer a polyfoam barrier on top of the latex. A 3 lb. polyfoam would be a durable material.

Did I mention that I had purchased the kd nomad 2 plus 18"?

No you did not. I’ll be interested in your opinion on it once you have it assembled and have had a chance to use it with your mattress for a while.

Phoenix

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17 Mar 2017 02:24 #17 by Alpharalpha
I just realized I may have some options to try out the different latex in stores in my area. I don't go into Tampa generally but if you know of any brick and mortar shops that carry latex mattresses I would go there. There is a Bed Pros right around the corner, I went in once, do think I recall that talalay latex bliss, is that a full blended talalay global latex mattress similar to what I've been researching? We have Mattress Firm and Ikea's not to far away. But if you know of any good latex shops in the Tampa area I would definitely make the trip to actually lay on some. I tried looking online and didn't get anywhere.
Thanks.

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17 Mar 2017 11:20 #18 by Phoenix
Hi Alpharalpha,

Subject to first confirming that any retailer or manufacturer on the list that you wish to visit is completely transparent ( see this article ) and to making sure that any mattress you are considering meets the quality/value guidelines here ... the better options or possibilities I'm aware of in and around the Tampa/ Clearwater/St Petersburg areas are listed in post #143 here .

Of those listed, these stores show that they offer latex products:
Pittsburgh Mattress Factory
Bartow Mattress Factory
Matter Brothers (might make latex mattresses – you’d have to phone)
Innomax
BodyRest has one latex model
Orlando Mattress Company
810Beds
Somnis Sleep
Bed Pros
Design Interiors
Better Back Store
Mattress Avenue

Phoenix

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01 Apr 2017 05:51 #19 by Alpharalpha
I'm having a hard time finding a topper or topper cover that is 2 sided so I can flip it without removing the foam. Do you know of anybody who offers covers like this? I'm going to put it all inside a mattress encasement so not too worried about it moving about. Thanks.

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01 Apr 2017 15:36 #20 by Phoenix
Hi alpharalpha,

I'm having a hard time finding a topper or topper cover that is 2 sided so I can flip it without removing the foam. Do you know of anybody who offers covers like this?

Off my head, here are a few:
sleeplikeabear.com/product/natural-wool-...r-mattress-cover.htm
sleeplikeabear.com/product/Pure-Certifie...r-Mattress-Cover.htm
www.diynaturalbedding.com/product/expandable-knit-ticking/
www.foamorder.com/mattress/mattress-cover.html

You can also look at the cover suppliers listed in the component post here .

Phoenix

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