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Haven Mattress & Temperature issues + Alpaca Comforter

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26 Mar 2019 15:48 #11 by Phoenix
Hi Demeter,

You are very welcome and thank you for the kind words about TMU. If you find any information about the Haven Lux, please let us know. About the comforter, I'd be interested to know who is "reducing the amount of fill" for you? ...the company you were getting the alpaca duvet from?

Thanks again for the kind words.

Phoenix

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26 Mar 2019 17:47 #12 by Demeter
Yes, the Ontario Alpaca farm that I tried first was out of stock so I found a company in Peru called Sweet Dreams Home that had one on offer through Amazon with good reviews. It is 100% Royal Alpaca with a 600 thread count cover so I requested one with less fill and a lower cotton thread count cover to be more breathable and he is making one for me - it shipped last week and I should have it within the next couple of days so will be able to report on it. I know there are some alpaca/wool blends available but I had a bad experience with a wool duvet and the intense lanolin "scent" and apparently alpaca has no oils or waxes that give it a characteristic smell......it's supposed to be very hypo allergenic and thermal buffering. The disadvantage is apparently that it doesn't have much loft so I'm hoping it looks as nice in the duvet cover as my down duvet does. However more interested in comfort than appearance really. I'm told that lighter weight alpaca duvets can be used year round. Perhaps if wool is washable the lanolin is stripped out of it because my St Dormeir mattress cover has no discernible scent at all. Some people report that the scent disappears after a while but that seemed hard for me to believe with the one that I received.

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27 Mar 2019 19:43 #13 by Phoenix
Hi demeter,

Thank you for the interesting information you've passed on about the Peru, Sweet Dreams Home company, it's certainly a good sign that they are working so closely with consumers. I am looking forward to your update once you receive it as there is not much information and comparisons on Alpaca material and it would be great to have some first-hand account of features and how it performs.

Too bad about the intense lanolin smell on the wool duvet you had... and yes I haven't heard of anyone complaining about St Dormeir odor issues.

Thanks again for the good info you've provided. I am sure many other consumers will find this useful

Phoenix.

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30 Mar 2019 10:56 - 31 Mar 2019 05:30 #14 by Demeter
So I've slept under my new alpaca comforter for two nights now and really like it. It's approximately 2.2 kg of filling and this type of comforter is much heavier than my light weight down duvet. Instead of being really puffy on the bed (inside a cotton cover) it looks more like a heavy comforter which is fine. It also is quite warm but doesn't float over me like the down does.....it's a little heavier and drapes over me...it hugs the body more but I don't feel the heat radiating back down towards the mattress. It's more of a gentle warmth that doesn't build and it seems to breathe very well. The cover is a high quality white cotton sheeting material and the workmanship is good. I had originally requested a 3.5 lb filling by weight but I guess they thought it would be too sparse as alpaca doesn't have that much loft. This will be just fine for winter and probably part way through fall & spring. I normally have to remove my down duvet in early April as it is too warm but I think I will be able to keep this on my bed until the summer. Very happy with my comforter. It does not have any discernible scent.

Note: I just corresponded with the seller again who was following up to see how I liked it. He explained that they only use the fine baby alpaca fibres which are softer and don't have a smell. I've started him thinking about offering a very light summer weight comforter which I think would be wonderful. He's still thinking 2 or 2.2 kg but I think they could go even lighter - I've seen some down duvets that you can practically see through...I think about 1.5 kg in a very breathable cotton cover would be perfect for our hot humid summers with the cooler nights
Last edit: 31 Mar 2019 05:30 by Demeter. Reason: more info

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30 Mar 2019 14:34 #15 by Phoenix
Hi Demeter,

Thanks for taking the time to give such a detailed account on your new Alpaca comforter. I am sure that many of our visitors will greatly appreciate this. I added the “Temperature issues” wording to the name of your thread as a pointer for those looking into temperature regulation solutions. I use a silk comforter, but now I am tempted to give “baby alpaca fibers” a try.

I am glad that you are happy with the temperature microclimate so far and that the seller is so responsive. (Great customer service too!)

I'm looking forward to any additional feedback you might wish to share once you've had the chance to experience the product a little longer.

Phoenix

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16 Apr 2019 12:24 - 09 May 2019 12:11 #16 by Demeter
I put the alpaca comforter into a linen duvet cover which has made it even more breathable and it's so comfortable paired with light weight linens. I almost feel as though I can feel air movement through it. My bedroom temperature has climbed to about 66 degrees F as the weather warms and it's still perfectly comfortable. I think it might take a heat wave to make me take it off the bed
Update May 8: Temp in bedroom has been above 70 degrees & still comfortable!
Last edit: 09 May 2019 12:11 by Demeter.

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17 Apr 2019 19:14 #17 by Phoenix
Hi Demeter,

Congrats on the new mattress and for finding solutions for sleeping cooler! :)

“The big plus for me is that it does sleep very cool. I've been sleeping deeply and with no overheating issues and can't believe how much better I feel throughout the day with a full night's sleep”

Great to hear that the alpaca comforter works our so well for you.

Thank you for the new update and as usual, let us know if you have any other questions or concerns.

Phoenix

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27 Apr 2019 01:26 #18 by Drt34
Hi All,

I called Haven today to try to get more information on their materials. I was told that they don’t give out the specs because they feel that judging quality based on density is outdated given advancements in the foam/latex field. He said new technology has produced high quality low density materials and they don’t want people judging their mattresses using old school criteria. Does that make sense or is it smoke and mirrors?

I was about to pull the trigger on the haven lux but I don’t want to if it seems a bit sketchy.

We are in need of a new king mattress in Toronto. I’m a 130 lb stomach sleeper and my husband is a 190 lb side/stomach sleeper. We also both seem to like a mattress that allows you to sink in a little bit. We have two small kids so online mattress shopping is the most convenient right now.

The other mattresses I an looking at are the Alexander Signature hybrid and the Silk and Snow hybrid. The only thing holding me back from Nest is the current exchange rate.

Thanks so much!

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27 Apr 2019 18:14 - 27 Apr 2019 18:20 #19 by Sensei
Hey Drt34,

Welcome to the Mattress Forum! :).

Thanks for the post. I totally get it, two kids, get a babysitter and go mattress shopping....can you say date night!!!! Ok, I digress.

I wish I could help with the exchange rate, but that is beyond my pay grade.

I don't want to sound too negative as I don't know the owners of Haven, and of course, I know no specifications for their products...but the answer given to you is BS. I think you already know this. But maybe I am biased, but I am not a huge fan of companies using memory foam, with a tiny % of some natural ingredient, and calling it "plant-based" and "Vegan". I mean, c'mon It's polyurethane foam. Here is another quote from the website:

Our cooling top layer features organic Talalay latex, vented and infused with cool copper



This copper Talalay is a good product from Talalay Global. Its a blend of synthetic and natural latex with copper added. It is so NOT organic, Talalay Global would never tell people its organic.

I would respect them so much better if they said "No we don't give out specs, because we don't want our competitors knowing and copying us, etc, etc. But instead, they say:

they don’t give out the specs because they feel that judging quality based on density is outdated given advancements in the foam/latex field. He said new technology has produced high quality low density materials and they don’t want people judging their mattresses using old school criteria


We / TMU discuss all these "new technologies" for foam, whether its adding gel, or copper or other additives, but it's simply asinine to say density is not relevant.

I recommend please check out a few more trusted members . I understand the cost issues, but hybrid mattresses from Nest, or Luma Sleep or Ghostbed, to name a few that ship to CA, any of these may have a higher cost but would be much more transparent with their product specs.

Thanks again for the post, good luck.

Sensei

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