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30 Jun 2017 16:47 - 01 Jul 2017 07:14 #11 by sleepymath

An update and some questions ...

I’ve been sleeping on my new latex mattress for about 1.5 weeks now. All in all, it’s been a positive experience … I’m definitely sleeping better than I was on my old very firm inner spring mattress. That said, I’m not certain if my current layer configuration is the best one for me based on two things:

First off, I tend to sleep more on the right side of my bed than the left and I’ve noticed that the ride side has “softened up” significantly more than the left side. Should I be concerned about such a noticeable difference in such a short period of time?

Secondly, no matter what position I sleep in, it feels as though my hip/butt/stomach might be sinking in a little too much while my shoulder/back/chest might not be sinking in quite enough. I occasionally wake up with minor shoulder and/or lower back pain … though it’s much less noticeable than the back / hip pain I was experiencing with my old mattress.

My current layering combination is (top to bottom) 2” extra soft (55 kg/m^3), 3” medium (75 kg/m^3), 3” soft (65 kg/m^3), and 3” firm (90 kg/m^3). The extra soft piece covers the whole mattress, the others are split for dual comfort options.

I'm debating which of the following configurations I should try next:

Option 1: ES, S, M, F on both sides (this is the configuration used to markets the mattress)
Option 2: ES, S, F, M on both sides
Option 3: ES, M, F, S on both sides (though I’m reluctant to put soft on the bottom, even for a short time)
Option 4: ES, M, F, F (on the right) and ES, S, M, S (on the left)

Which do you think might be the best option for me? Is there one you might recommend that I haven’t thought of?


To be honest, I didn’t find the whole layer positioning process to be as easy as most online videos make it look, so I would like to limit the number of times I need to do this in the foreseeable future! :)

I do have a 90 day comfort guarantee that will allow me to exchange a layer; so arrangements like Option 4 could be made permanent relatively easily if I find the “perfect combo”. Dormio also has a zoned-comfort option for the next to base layer that I could look into. So, for example, I could have the upper third of that layer be medium or soft, and the middle third firm, and the final third medium or firm. Before going there though, I figure I should do some more testing with what I have.

Thanks in advance for your insight. I find it very helpful to have this site as a sounding board so that my “ducks are in a row” before I contact the company directly.

Last Edit: 01 Jul 2017 07:14 by sleepymath.

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01 Jul 2017 11:22 #12 by Phoenix

Hi sleepymath,

Thanks for your update.

First off, I tend to sleep more on the right side of my bed than the left and I’ve noticed that the ride side has “softened up” significantly more than the left side. Should I be concerned about such a noticeable difference in such a short period of time?


The initial loss of “false firmness” in an all-latex mattress will be due mostly to the mattress covering and any fiber (in your case wool) under the covering. The latex itself will not change significantly, although there can be a bit of “settling” of everything during the first few months, but it would be very odd for latex to have much change in plushness when brand new.

Secondly, no matter what position I sleep in, it feels as though my hip/butt/stomach might be sinking in a little too much while my shoulder/back/chest might not be sinking in quite enough. I occasionally wake up with minor shoulder and/or lower back pain … though it’s much less noticeable than the back / hip pain I was experiencing with my old mattress.


I’m guessing this is mostly when you’re sleeping on your side, as opposed to your stomach, which was your other preferred sleeping position. It may truly be the case that you are sinking in a bit more than you prefer, and it may also be the case of “learned alignment” and what you perceive as sinking in too deeply could be a result of your perception as compared to your old mattress. I’d generally recommend a little more than 10 days for testing this out, if possible.

My current layering combination is (top to bottom) 2” extra soft (55 kg/m^3), 3” medium (75 kg/m^3), 3” soft (65 kg/m^3), and 3” firm (90 kg/m^3).
I'm debating which of the following configurations I should try next:
Option 1: ES, S, M, F on both sides (this is the configuration used to markets the mattress)


This will allow you shoulder to sink in a bit more than in your current configuration, but also will allow your hips to sink in a bit more as well. At your BMI, while counterintuitive, this configuration can actually “feel firmer” to some people in their hip region, as you will sink in a bit more through these softer layers when “meeting” the medium layer, and this extra sinking is described by some people as “extra pushback” along their waist and ribs and when they hit the firmness of the medium layer. It might not be as comfortable when sleeping prone, however.

Option 2: ES, S, F, M on both sides

Similar to my comments on Option 1, but with a more discernible transition from the two plush layers to the firm layer.

Option 3: ES, M, F, S on both sides (though I’m reluctant to put soft on the bottom, even for a short time)


This layering would result in your hips sinking in less than your current configuration, but may not be as comfortable on your shoulder. I wouldn't have concerns about the plush layer by placing it on the bottom.

Option 4: ES, M, F, F (on the right) and ES, S, M, S (on the left)


I would be concerned with the left side and the lower level of deep support for your BMI. The right side configuration would be the “firmest”, and might be the most appropriate if you spent most of your time sleeping upon your stomach, but this might not agree with your shoulder comfort.

Regarding your comments about your shoulder, make sure to analyze your pillow and make sure that it is providing adequate support to help you maintain a more “neutral” alignment. Sometimes shoulder issues when trying out a new mattress can be pillow related.

I can’t tell which configuration might be “the best option” for you, but instead draw comparisons to what you’re current sleeping upon and how you “might” react to these changes. Ideally, I’d day to try your current configuration a bit longer it you can. Besides the configurations you’ve come up with, which are quite good across the spectrum, you may wish to phone Dormio and see if they have any takes on what you’re considering, as they are the most knowledgeable about their own componentry.

Dormio also has a zoned-comfort option for the next to base layer that I could look into.


Zoning can introduce even more complexity to your layering combinations, and I would consider that a last resort if you’re unable to find anything that comfortable accommodates both your shoulder and hips sinking in. It is true that zoning systems can also be very useful and worth considering for people who have more challenging circumstances or sensitivities, body types that are more difficult to "match" to a mattress, more complex medical issues, or who have a history of having more difficulty in finding a mattress that works well for them. There is more about zoning in this article and in post #11 here . Also in post #2 here and post #7 here (latex monozone unique properties).

Phoenix


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02 Jul 2017 20:00 #13 by sleepymath

Hi Phoenix.

Thanks for yet more sound advice!

The last few days (even before my last post) I've been making an effort when reading etc. to spend more time on the left side of the bed and am noticing less difference between the "feel" on both sides. :)

Your point about "learned alignment" is well-taken. I did not noticeably sink in at all on my old mattress, it's definitely a sensation I need to get used to so I will take another week or so with my current configuration before making any changes. I will also give my pillows some consideration. (That could be it's own interesting adventure as local pillow options are pretty much limited to Walmart. Fortunately, pillows aren't nearly as costly as a mattress so an online purchase isn't as risky.)

I do spend the majority of my actual sleeping time on my stomach, so I'm learning towards trying Option 4 first if I do decide to switch up the layers. (Of the options listed, it is the only one that, if the right side works out, would require a comfort exchange of the two S pieces for two F pieces so that both sides of the bed would have the same configuration.)

Thanks again.

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03 Jul 2017 13:16 #14 by Phoenix

Hi sleepymath,

Good luck!

Phoenix


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16 Jul 2017 21:13 #15 by sleepymath

Another update ...

1st ... the shoulder issue appears to have been pillow related. I've been using a body pillow that's thinner than my regular pillow since my last post and have not had any shoulder issues in days. Thanks Phoenix for bringing pillows to my attention!

As a longer term solution, I have ordered some Nature's Embrace latex pillows recommended for stomach sleepers, they should be in early this week.

2nd ... I switched up my layers today ... was easier this time around, but still a workout! Went with ES, M, F, S on both sides. The difference is quite noticeable, but in a good way ... it feels firmer but also more comfortable. We'll see how things go after sleeping on it for a few nights.

One strange thing though. After unzipping the cover and folding back the full ES layer, I was surprised to see that the medium layer on the side I tend to sleep on was about an inch lower than the other side. It didn't spring back on it's own once the ES layer was removed either, I had to shake it. (Wondering if this might be why that side felt like it had softened up more. Also wondering why that might have happened. I did take a photo and will follow up with Dormio.)

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17 Jul 2017 11:59 - 17 Jul 2017 12:00 #16 by Phoenix

Hi sleepymath,

Thanks for your update!

I'm happy that you've made some progress on the pillow front and have found a more comfortable solution for your neck/shoulder for now. Sometimes it is the simplest things that make the largest differences.

I hope the new layering configuration works out well for you. That is one of the benefits (and for some people, the complication) of having a system where you can rearrange layers to achieve various levels of comfort.

Regarding you noticing the one layer of latex layer appearing to be a bit "lower" than the others, this would most likely be it "hanging up" where it meets in the middle seem with the other layers of latex. Latex is quite "sticky" (as I know you've discovered) and when compressed sometimes the layers toward the center of the mattress when the force is released off of them will "catch" where they meet and one layer may not fully "expand" in a certain area. This won't be felt when you apply weight to the product in that area, as this would be a quite weak "sticky point" and all of the layers would contour quite well under your body.

Phoenix


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21 Jul 2017 09:30 #17 by sleepymath

It's only been 5 nights, but I'm loving the new configuration of ES M F S so far! I haven't slept this well in ages!

(Laura from Dormio has indicated the dip from before was likely because the old configuration was too soft for me. She also confirmed that there should not be any issues with having the S layers on the bottom.)

Also loving my Nature's Embrace low-loft, organic dunlop soap-shaped pillows ... they are awesome when I stomach sleep (which is the majority of the time), but are also just fine when I shift to my side. They are also a good size at 28" by 18" by about 4". Compared to other 100% natural latex pillows I found online, they were quite reasonably priced at $80 CAD each (regularly $90) through Good Planet. (Other vendors sell them in other sizes and price points.)

Looks like my latex mattress adventure is going to have a very happy ending ... thanks again for all your help Phoenix!

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21 Jul 2017 10:22 #18 by Phoenix

Hi sleepymath,

Thank you for your update. While just a short time, I am excited for your success and comfort with the "improved" mattress configuration and appropriate pillow. It's always interested "watching" forum members go through their "learning process" as you did: addressing the shoulder issue with the pillow, then rearranging layers to provide better support for while sleeping upon your stomach.

I'm looking forward to your future updates.

Phoenix


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