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normal Obasan Verses Ultimate Dreams Mattress

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02 Jul 2017 15:42 - 02 Jul 2017 15:44 #1 by Gracie1@

After much searching I seem to really like the Obasan Silhouette Top Pad (PFLO) with the Silhouette Marseille Noir Firm. I've read some articles recommending the Ultimate Dreams mattress and found some topics here in your forum. The Obasan is a bit pricey, which I'm willing to pay if it really is that much better, but I'm wondering if these two brands are comparable.

The Obasan I've found has the top pad that can be replaced or exchanged to get the right comfort level and offers a split bed option so my husband can have the comfort he prefers as well. For a california king the quote is $3400. We live in Irvine, Ca and I've visited quite a few stores trying to find the perfect mattress. I think I have with the Obasan at Ergo beds but would love it if there is a way to get it at a more economical price.

We currently have a Tempurpedic which I dislike, husband loves it. I need much firmer, I'm a side sleeper and sometimes back. I struggle with headaches, neck and shoulder tension/pain and low back pain. I toss and turn all night and never wake up feeling rested since we go this mattress 5 years ago. I'm 5'3" 190 and husband is 6' 225 which is why I like the idea of a split bed so we both can sleep well.

Thanks!

Last Edit: 02 Jul 2017 15:44 by Gracie1@.

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03 Jul 2017 09:22 #2 by Phoenix

Hi Gracie1@,

Welcome to the forum! :)

the Silhouette Marseille Noir Firm


The Silhouette Marseille Noir (firm) I believe is the same mattress as the Berkeley Ergonomics BE 1500 , who most likely produces this item for Ergo Beds under the Silhouette label. The nestled pocketed springs are very high quality (from Germany) and the Talalay latex used is natural. The cover uses organic cotton quilted to Plein Air wool. This item uses good quality and durable materials, and I do think highly of the Berkeley Ergonomics line of mattresses. As you mentioned this model can be made with dual firmnesses, and if Ergo Beds offers the same number of variations as Berkeley Ergonomics, there are four different comfort choices.

After much searching I seem to really like the Obasan Silhouette Top Pad (PFLO)


I believe the topper you’re describing is also from Berkeley Ergonomics, called the Posturflo . This unique topper uses microsprings and the same Plein Air wool quilted to organic cotton to create an extra layer of plushness when placed upon a mattress. This would also be a good quality and durable item.

I've read some articles recommending the Ultimate Dreams mattress


The Dreamfoam Ultimate Dreams is a different design from the Silhouette. I’m guessing that you’re referencing the Ultimate Dreams Total Latex, based upon some of your comments. That model uses a latex core (can be natural Dunlop or Talalay at two different firmnesses) and then a 3” layer of Talalay on top of that which can be adjusted/exchanged to different ILDs. The quilt is a layer of organic wool and a thin piece of polyfoam. In a California king mattress this item can be split into different comfort configurations on the left and right side.

The Obasan is a bit pricey, which I'm willing to pay if it really is that much better, but I'm wondering if these two brands are comparable.


Again, I think that you’re actually comparing a Berkeley Ergonomics/Silhouette mattress (not an Obasan) to the Dreamfoam mattress.

Both products use good quality and durable materials. Dreamfoam is known for offering some very good quality components at affordable prices. The Berkeley Ergonomics also uses very high quality materials and imports their unique springs and microsprings from Europe, so the "value" of a mattress purchase from BE includes more than just the material value of the mattress.

There is more about the 3 most important parts of the "value" of a mattress purchase in post #13 here which can help you make more meaningful quality/value comparisons between mattresses in terms of suitability (how well you will sleep), durability (how long you will sleep well), and the overall value of a mattress compared to your other finalists based on suitability, durability, and all the other parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you (including the price of course and the options you have available after a purchase if your choice doesn't turn out as well as you hoped for).

While price is certainly important of course .. the "value" of a mattress purchase is what is most important and price is just one of many factors that can affect the "value" of a mattress purchase. There isn't a "formula" that can be used to assess or "calculate" the value of a mattress because there are so many different variables and criteria involved that can affect the price of a mattress that can each be more or less important to some people and not to others who may have completely different criteria or definitions of "value". The value of a mattress purchase is also relative to how a mattress compares to the other finalists you are considering or to other mattresses that are available to you in your area (or online if you are also considering online options). There are many reasons that a mattress that may be "good value" for one person or in one area of the country may not be good value for someone else that has very different needs and preferences or that lives in a different area.

The good news is that you are choosing between “good” and “good” regarding componentry, but there certainly is a difference in that componentry (one item using springs versus a latex support core), so that preference would also enter into your value equation.

If you have more specific questions I’ll do my best to be assistive.

Phoenix


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04 Jul 2017 15:56 #3 by Gracie1@

Thank you for your quick and detailed response. I went ahead today and ordered the Silhouette mattress and pad and feel better after your response and all the helpful links and forum posts to help guide the way. What a gift your site is! I'll be sure to post back how the experience is on the purchase.

Thank you!

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04 Jul 2017 18:54 #4 by Phoenix

Hi Gracie1@,

Thanks for the update, and congratulations on your purchase! :cheer: I'll be interested in learning about your purchase once you've had a chance to sleep on it for a while.

Phoenix


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04 Sep 2018 16:30 #5 by DR

I just ordered the Obasan Acadia 3.0 after debating between it and one of the Dormir mattresses. Does any one have experience with either? I'm wondering if I made the right choice after seeing another member post on this site they they couldn't get the layer configuration right with their Obasan--I real worry since the price point is so steep. I'd welcome feedback!

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06 Sep 2018 18:06 - 06 Sep 2018 18:08 #6 by Phoenix

Hi DR.

While I'd like to congratulate you on your new mattress purchase I also understand your concern in case the mattress does not meet your particular needs. The good news is that for the Acadia mattresses, they do a free, one-time comfort exchange after 30 days of sleeping on it, but they do not accept returns if the product was opened .... so you are a bit in a catch 22. With the layer exchange, your odds of a good match increase considerably. While the product may work well for you the return policy is prohibitive to give it a try as they clearly state in their return policy that the mattress must be unopened, unused and in the same condition that you received it and that you'd have 14 days to return the item for a full refund minus shipping. (The delivery date is marked as the day the package was delivered in the shipping company’s system.) You may wish to call them and let them know about your concerns and ask for their recommendation. Ideally, you'd want to test something locally and if in the first week you experience any discomfort or pains then you can move to plan B and return it. I wish I could be more helpful but hopefully, someone that has some experience with the product sees your post ... but of course, their own experience in terms of comfort/support will most likely be different than yours.

I look forward to any updates you might have along the way if you decide to keep it and fine tune it with the layer exchange in case the purchase did not turn out as well as you hoped for.

Phoenix


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07 Sep 2018 11:44 #7 by DR

Thanks for your response, Phoenix. John, the person with whom I spoke at Obasan, told me that they do a complimentary comfort layer exchange, and that the customer is not expected to return the latex layer that they don't use. This seems to address the concern that you identified, and indeed that I had as well. I will post my experiences with this mattress when it arrives.

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07 Sep 2018 23:16 #8 by Phoenix

Hi DR,

Thank you for the added information that may be useful to those considering the Obasan.
I'm looking forward to any ongoing updates you have the chance to share.

Phoenix


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26 Sep 2018 10:50 - 26 Sep 2018 10:58 #9 by DR

I'm writing with an update after sleeping on my Obasan Acadia 3.0 mattress. It is dreamy! For context, I have had lower back (muscular) pain over the last several months. I tried various mattresses--Loom & Leaf, Naturepedic, and Savvy Rest. I liked the zoning that Obasan offers and hoped it would offer targeted back support. My hopes have borne true. This is probably the most comfortable bed I've ever slept on--enveloping and yet also still firm. Even though one can normally expect a period of adjustment, I had no adjustment issues as yet. I woke up feeling better than I have in as long as I can remember.

For those of you who can't try out this bed in person (I was one of these customers), I wouldn't let this deter you if this mattress is within your budget. Obasan's representative told me that the majority of their sales are over the phone. After taking information about their client (height, weight, sleeping position, age), they use a "formula" for configuring your bed layers. Even in instances when I have personally tested out mattresses that felt comfortable in the showroom, I have often been disappointed after sleeping on the mattress later. I learned that testing out a mattress in person is no guarantee that the mattress will work; in my case, the majority of those purchases actually didn't work for me in the end.

Obasan has a 90-day exchange period as well to make any adjustments to the latex components. I liked being led through the process and feeling like I was being personally taken care of.

Their bedding is also the most exquisite I've personally seen. Their summer wool duvet was just gorgeous, and the mattress protector constructed with attention to detail.

This may read as an effusive post, but after a rather wearying experience over the past five months trying out different mattresses, it's difficult to suppress my happiness.

Last Edit: 26 Sep 2018 10:58 by DR.

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26 Sep 2018 21:45 #10 by Phoenix

Hi DR.

Thank you for your heartfelt update. I am excited for your success and comfort with your "dreamy" mattress. :lol:

It's always interesting "watching" forum members go through their "learning process" and decision making as you did: You’ve certainly made the right “call” and I am glad that Obassan’s representative was so helpful and that you now wake up pain-free.

I'm hoping that you'll be able to provide more updates as time goes on regarding your new mattress.

Phoenix


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