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normal Air bed from Brentwood Home SmartCore 12" latex and gel question

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15 Jul 2017 15:13 #1 by aero1

Hello everybody,
Once again I want to thank Phoenix for maintaining and doing unbelievable job of educating and helping in our search for "the best" bed.
I am considering purchasing a new air bed - Brentwood Home SmartCore 12" Latex and Gel Memory Foam Mateo ( I read all of the previous posts and I know that Phoenix is not a big fun of the air chambers support system but I am still considering it).
Here are the specifications of the bed: www.costco.com/Brentwood-Home-SmartCore-...oduct.100368376.html
Layers:
The beautiful handcrafted cover is made with a Belgium 4-way stretch knit panel & premium upholstery fabrics, infused with all natural New Zealand wool quilted with two ½ -Inch plush layers of ComfortFlex foam and finished with button-tufting for long-lasting durable mattress
1-Inch Gel Memory Foam layer uses the latest generation of gel memory foam, providing personalized support and cooling comfort to keep you at a comfortable sleep temperature through the night
2-Inches Natural Latex for an added layer of natural comfort and bounce
1-Inch airflow support foam for added support and breathability, keeping you cool and comfortable
The SmartCore feature is comprised of a 6-inch thick air element which is controlled digitally providing custom comfort for your personal needs
45 custom comfort settings
2-inches of high density foam base layer and side rails provide long lasting support and excellent edge retention

Safety:
Made with Plant-Based CertiPUR-US foams free of flame retardants, heavy metals, formaldehyde, and phthalates
Meets the requirements of 16 CFR Part 1633-Federal flammability (open flame) Standards without the use of chemicals

Technical Specs:
Box spring is not included
King mattress dimensions: 76" W x 80" L x 12" H
2 – twin XL Mattresses
1-Inch Gel Memory Foam
4 LB density and 14 ILD
2-Inch Natural Latex Foam
4.3 LB density and 70 ILD
1-Inch Ventilated Airflow Foam
1.5 LB density and 30 ILD
6-inch SmartCore air element
45 Comfort Control Settings
2-Inch Therapeutic Support Base with Edge Support
1.8 LB density and 30 ILD

Is there a weak link/layer in construction?
Any thoughts and opinions will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,

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16 Jul 2017 10:43 #2 by Phoenix

Hi aero1,

As you’re already aware, I would consider the actual air bladder to be the “weak link” in the product you’re considering, and you can see some of my general comments about air mattresses here and in this article . While any mattress can be a good match for a specific person because each person's needs and preferences or the criteria that are most important to them can be very different ... in general terms I would tend to avoid them unless there is a very compelling reason that an airbed would be a better choice in "real life" (outside of the many "marketing stories" that you will hear about them) than the many other options or types of mattresses that are available to you.

Regarding the foam layers within the mattress you’re considering, the most durable layer would be the latex, with the 1” of memory foam at 4 lb being the minimum I generally recommend and the 1” of 1.5 lb polyfoam being a bit below the 1.8 lb minimum I normally recommend, but it is a bit firmer and located a bit lower within the mattress. They also don’t list the density of the two .5” plush polyfoam layers in the quilt panel, but these are only 1” total, so overall for those in a more basic BMI these foam layers would be “borderline” to acceptable for most individuals.

Phoenix


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17 Jul 2017 07:18 #3 by aero1

Phoenix,
Thank you for taking the time to read and comment. l tried many different support layers/systems (pocketed coil, innerspring, foam base - hot sleeper) and I could not find something that works for me and I read and reread all of your guidelines for selecting a bed. I am side and hot sleeper with a 29 BMI and heavy at the hip area.
Thanks again for your input.

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17 Jul 2017 14:08 #4 by Phoenix

Hi aero1,

I understand. For some people the air mattress is a fit, regardless of my opinion about the product, and there’s nothing wrong with that.

With a BMI of 29, ideally I’d recommend you search for something using a bit more durable materials, including polyfoam that is 2 lb density or above and memory foam that is 5 lb density or above.

I don’t know if you saw it yet, but there are some other airbed options that are listed in post #3 here that may be much better quality/value choices than Sleep Number/Select Comfort that you may wish to consider as well.

Phoenix


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14 May 2018 20:05 #5 by markj

Hi Pheonix,

I PM'd you regarding air bladders in general. Your insight is spot on and what i've discovered over the past year as well.

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14 May 2018 23:08 #6 by Phoenix

Hi Mark.

Glad to hear that the insights are helpful. Thanks for your mention... I have some issues with the PMs on the site (I tried to fix some issues with it and it seems I created others... :?: .. figure that out) so I'll need to dig for it. Thanks for letting me know. :)

Phoenix


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17 May 2018 10:51 #7 by markj

Hi Phoenix,

Your write ups about air are true. I've spent the past year developing a method to fix the major problem, which in my opinion, is the sidewalls of the mattress blow out. Causing a loss of air feeling throughout the night.

I've come up with a simple fix. I've spent a lot of time securing it through patent office, etc. and have found a major mattress manufacturer to incorporate the concept into a home air bed. Like the ones SN sells for thousands.

I don't think you got the PM as still shows unread. I've emailed the email listed on this site which is phoenix@. Basically, was wondering if we could ship you a bed to test and then just donate the bed to someone local.

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18 May 2018 00:29 #8 by Phoenix

Hi markj.

Thanks for reaching out ... I just rescued your email from the spam folder and had a brief look at the "Sleep on Air".

The sleeve concept seems to be an interesting and innovative design solution for the outdoors mattress market. I'll definitely have a closer look and reply to your email with a few questions re the design, surface tension, and the testing you've done.

Phoenix


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