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Avocado mattress? ... & Nest Bedding options 11 Jan 2020 13:05 #111

Greetings -- just wanted to close the loop here. We ended up going with a different vendor. In the end, we just couldn't find a match with Nest. There are two models that were contenders:

- natural hybrid latex: this had the pressure point relief and spinal alignment we wanted, and could have worked well. Unfortunately, it's just too warm. Even in a few minutes of testing in the store, it's obvious that heat builds up under the sleeper. I had trouble getting a consistent answer from Nest reps about what that top material was: via email, I had to ask twice to get past "it's eco flex foam", and on the second try, was told that it was polyfoam. The store rep, on the other hand, said it was memory foam with some wool content, which would explain its warmth. On this model, we were also put off by the inability to replace that top layer, which seems very likely to be the first to break down.

- certified organic hybrid latex: the cotton/wool top on this one breathes very well, and the core/comfort layer configurations available would probably have been very suitable. We just weren't interested in paying the steep premium for "certified organic".

Thanks again for your input, and I hope this feedback is useful for future product development.

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Avocado mattress? ... & Nest Bedding options 11 Jan 2020 14:22 #112

Hello! Sorry for any conflicting information you received from our staff. We will have to address this in our stores. We do have very clear information about what our top covers are on our website and I encourage you to look there if you are still interested in finding that information. To be clear, the top foam is not memory foam but the Eco Flex foam you where told, which is a poly foam. Good luck in your search for a mattress!

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Avocado mattress? ... & Nest Bedding options 12 Jan 2020 09:02 #113

mtu1912,
What mattress did you go with and why?

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Avocado mattress? ... & Nest Bedding options 12 Jan 2020 12:25 #114

Hey mtu1912,

Thanks for sharing your mattress shopping research with the TMU Forum , appreciate the objective reporting you've done these past several weeks.

Greetings -- just wanted to close the loop here. We ended up going with a different vendor. In the end, we just couldn't find a match with Nest.


Congrats on the purchase of your new mattress :cheer: ! Sorry to hear that you weren't able to find a "match" with Nest Bedding , know that they have been chatting with you here regarding questions/ concerns you had while shopping several of their mattresses. Thanks to @brooke for the quick follow up responses. Looks like you've identified some training opportunities, glad to hear you will be addressing those.

One update on your original post, Avocado mattress? ... & Nest Bedding options, post #106 , I forwarded this quote to Team Luma regarding the absence of warranty information on their web site:

So far, the best warranties I've seen, vis-a-vis "body impressions", are from Tuft and Needle (3/4") and Luma (1/2", though for some reason, you have to ask Luma for the warranty document, as they don't publish it). Those figures seem to indicate higher confidence in the resistance to cratering, though T&N is unfortunately not transparent about their materials.


The Luma Sleep site has been updated and now includes downloadable .pdfs for both the 10 year and 15 year product warranties, this is the download link for others who may be interested, thanks mtu1912 for pointing that out.

Looking forward to updates on your new mattress and hope you both are on a path to better sleep.

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Sensei :)
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Avocado mattress? ... & Nest Bedding options 13 Jan 2020 22:17 #115

Thank you for the reply. Honestly, we've been at this for about two months, and it's safe to say we're suffering from information overload -- that's the price of education, and I'm sure that's why so many people go with the "simple choice" options!

We talked with several vendors from the list here at TMU, and I don't have much of anything bad to say about any of them. There are some good people at these shops who seem to love what they do and are willing to provide lots of info.

We're going to try a custom configuration from SleepEZ. What sold us, in addition to the knowledgeable staff, was the completely configurable product, with every layer except the quilting independently selectable for each side -- and, critically, every layer is replaceable, including the encasement. That takes a lot of the risk out of the long-term value proposition. (Not to mention makes it a LOT easier to move around!)

As in many cases here, their warranty position is ... odd. They don't have much of a printed warranty, but they say they will cover 1/4" per layer, or 1.5" for the whole mattress. For a 4 layer mattress, that means a maximum of 1" before a claim would kick in, so I guess 1.5" would never happen unless you have 6 layers. Like Nest, they claim that "body impressions" just aren't an issue with latex, so once again, it's puzzling that they don't back that up in writing.

I'm still not sure what to make of so many apparently reputable vendors with warranties that don't seem to express much confidence in their durability. In the end, we had to go with what we know about the materials -- thank you, TMU! -- but I think there's a lot of opportunity for vendors to step up and remove consumer doubt by publishing stronger warranty statements.

I hope we can report back in a year or so that latex was everything we hoped it would be, and that our bed is still the same shape it was when we bought it!

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Avocado mattress? ... & Nest Bedding options 14 Jan 2020 07:17 #116

mtu1920,

We are coming off of 15 years with a Talalay Latex mattress. It was 8", with a 6" medium base and 2" soft top. It did develop body impressions. You can combat them by turning the mattress regularily and flipping the internal layers occassionally. But latex is very heavy and it is hard to do so we only did it when we felt the impressions forming and not so much in a proactive way. I think it took a couple of years for the first ones to form.

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Avocado mattress? ... & Nest Bedding options 14 Jan 2020 07:45 #117

Marshmallowforme - I'd be curious to know if the body impressions you experienced with Talalay latex were visible/measurable with no weight on the mattress, or if they were actually more of a softening of the latex in the areas where you slept. Thanks in advance!

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Avocado mattress? ... & Nest Bedding options 14 Jan 2020 07:55 #118

Sweet Dreams,
No they weren't visible or measureable. You just felt them. We did fix them with rotation and flipping. But we were disappointed since the store said that latex would not get them.

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Avocado mattress? ... & Nest Bedding options 14 Jan 2020 08:01 #119

Those are also described as soft spots, and unfortunately it seems that all comfort materials suffer from softening of some degree over time. Latex is supposed to be the most durable of the bunch but apparently it's not entirely immune to this issue. Thanks again! - Bill

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Avocado mattress? ... & Nest Bedding options 14 Jan 2020 10:25 #120

Marshmallowforme wrote: No they weren't visible or measureable. You just felt them. We did fix them with rotation and flipping. But we were disappointed since the store said that latex would not get them.


Were you able to determine whether the softening was in the core, or just the comfort layer?

I probably wouldn't consider what you describe unreasonable after a few years, IF I can replace just the comfort and/or quilting layers ... hence my insistence on modularity.

Our previous experience was that visible, measurable depressions with no load began to occur almost immediately, and became uncomfortable very quickly. This is already true of our Casper Wave Hybrid (1/8", and slowly deepening, at less than 2 months); and was particularly egregious in our previous Sealy Posturpedic.

Some softening after a few years is, to me, more understandable.

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