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14 Sep 2018 17:56 #71 by NestHaven

Thank you as well, Phoenix. I feel like we know WAY more about mattresses than we ever intended to know. On the flip side, though, purchasing a mattress next time (hopefully in about 10+ years) should be a relatively quick & smooth process. Latex it is from here on out.... :)

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05 Oct 2018 11:59 #72 by NestHaven

Hi Phoenix,

A follow-up inquiry for you when you have a moment, please. Thank you!

Circling back on the issue we were having with our Nest Bedding Hybrid Latex mattress - pertaining to the mattress cover tear. Originally, we wanted simply to have the torn mattress cover replaced, not the entire mattress. We sent the cover back for replacement, but the manufacturer lost our cover, so a new mattress encasement was sent (entire mattress, incl. springs, without the latex insert). We kept our existing Talalay latex insert because we had already broken it in over 3 months, and didn't want to have to go through another adjustment period.

While we appreciated Nest's effort in replacing the mattress encasement, we were concerned about our replacement mattress being too firm. Nest informed us that "springs do not need breaking in - only the latex insert needs breaking in - and since you're not replacing the latex, the mattress should feel like your existing one once replaced." We hesitantly took their word for it. When we got the new mattress encasement in, our mattress was a bit firmer, but we chalked that up merely to being new, hoping that would wear off after a few days.

Unfortunately, 30 days in since we received the replacement encasement, our mattress is a good 20-30% firmer that the one that was replaced. It's so firm that my partner is no longer able to sleep on her side anymore, and is constantly tossing and turning throughout the night. She is also now experiencing shoulder pain that wasn't there before. And both of our lower backs have been aching/sore the past few weeks.

Based on that, I wanted to check with you on the following:

1. Do springs in fact need time to break in? Again, having swapped out our original Talalay latex insert, we were told that our mattress would feel the same. And if it's not the springs....

2. What could be accounting for the increased firmness? Would the 1-inch layer of cotton/wool make that significant of a difference?

3. And in general, what has happened to mattresses overall in the past few years? Before this last year, I could simply walk into a store, pick out a typical mattress (usually your basic spring model), and be fine with it for years. We've never been through so many mattress hoops as we have in the past year or so. Getting a decent-night's rest was never such a hassle like it's been now. Again, simply curious if something changed throughout the industry, as we've been challenged like never before to find simply a decent mattress.

Thank you as always for your feedback!

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07 Oct 2018 11:43 #73 by Phoenix

Hi NestHaven.

Thanks for your followup.

NestBededing is correct, spring units do not have a break-in period, The materials and design of springs are completely different than for foam and a spring system “break-in” period is not applicable. Generally, springs do not lose height, compress, or soften with use.

All mattresses will soften slightly with use, even latex and the covering and the non-woven fabric wrapping the springs, although the amount is insignificant and will also vary based upon materials being used, the cover stretches and loosens a little and the materials settle. With a latex/spring bed most adjustment you’d tend to notice will come from the fabric covering of your mattress. If the quilting pattern and materials within the encasement are the same then the cotton-wool layer should not make a difference. You can verify if the cover/encasement is too taught by opening the cover to see if this is the main contributor. If it does not make much difference and as you already eliminated the latex as a possibility then the difference in firmness appears to be coming from the coil system used in the mattress. I suggest as usual that you contact Nest to check if that is the case.

Phoenix


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09 Oct 2018 12:44 #74 by NestHaven

Thank you for the follow-up, Phoenix. We are working with Nest Bedding to handle this issue. We appreciate your feedback as well.

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10 Oct 2018 20:56 #75 by Phoenix

Hi NestHaven

Great to hear that you are working closely with NestBeddig ... as with all of the Trusted Members of the site I have no doubt that they'll do their best to assist you. I'm looking forward to any ongoing updates you have the chance to share.

Phoenix


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11 Oct 2018 08:30 #76 by ignacio001

New to the forum here, and came across this posting on the Avocado. We purchased one recently without a pillow top and have come to the conclusion that it is not for us. I've been waking up with soreness in the back and around the lower rib area. They've been very helpful at Avocado and we've looked to try a couple of things. But alas, we're at the return stage.

This sets up a new search for a mattress and I was hoping that some help could be provided by some of the experts on this forum. I'm looking at Leesa, Nectar, or Dreamcloud after some dizzying reading of reviews and opinions. My BMI is 26 and change and my wife's is lower. I'm very much a combo sleeper (primarily back and stomach) and would love to get opinions and educated feedback.

Any help would be very much appreciated!

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11 Oct 2018 22:16 #77 by Phoenix

Hi ignacio001.

Welcome to our forum! :)

Sorry to hear that your Avocado mattress is not a good fit for your needs. Some good local testing can give a better sense of the many different types of materials and components that are used in mattresses and some reference points about the types of mattresses ( see this article) and general firmness levels you tend to prefer which can help you narrow down your choices regardless of whether you end up purchasing locally or online.

I'm looking at Leesa, Nectar, or Dreamcloud after some dizzying reading of reviews and opinions. My BMI is 26 and change and my wife's is lower. I'm very much a combo sleeper (primarily back and stomach) and would love to get opinions and educated feedback.


Typically, reviews or other people's experiences in general, won't tell you much if anything about the suitability, quality, durability, or "value" of a mattress for any particular person (see  post #13 here  ), and I'd recommend to avoid considering them as a reliable indicator of the appropriateness of any particular product for your needs. You can always do a Forum Search here to find any comments and discussions about any of the beds you mentioned.

I'm not sure what you've read since you found the site but just in case you haven't read it yet ... the first place to start your research is the mattress shopping tutorial here which includes all the basic information, steps, and guidelines that can help you make the best possible choice ... and perhaps more importantly know how and why to avoid the worst ones and learn just enough to recognize a product using better quality materials or a retailer that is knowledgeable and honest so that you may trust the information you’re presented.

Two of the most important links in the tutorial that I would especially make sure you've read are post #2 here which has more about the different ways to choose a suitable mattress (either locally or online) that is the best "match" for you in terms of "comfort", firmness, and PPP that can help you assess and minimize the risks of making a choice that doesn't turn out as well as you hoped for and post #13 here which has more about the most important parts of the "value" of a mattress purchase which can help you make more meaningful quality/value comparisons between mattresses in terms of suitability (how well you will sleep), durability (how long you will sleep well), and the overall value of a mattress compared to your other finalists based on all the parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you (including the price of course and the options you have available after a purchase if your choice doesn't turn out as well as you hoped for).

While again nobody can speak to how any specific mattress will "feel" for someone else or whether it will be a good "match" in terms of comfort, firmness, and PPP because this is too subjective and relative to different body types, sleeping positions, and individual preferences, sensitivities, and circumstances and you are the only one that can feel what you feel on a mattress ... outside of PPP (which is the most important part of "value"), the next most important part of the value of a mattress purchase is durability which is all about how long you will sleep well on a mattress. This is the part of your research that you can't see or "feel" and assessing the durability and useful life of a mattress depends on knowing the specifics of its construction and the type and quality of the materials inside it regardless of the name of the manufacturer on the label or how a mattress feels in a showroom or when it is relatively new so I would always make sure that you find out the information listed here so you can compare the quality of the materials and components to the durability guidelines here to make sure there are no lower quality materials or weak links in a mattress that would be a cause for concern relative to the durability and useful life of a mattress before making any purchase.

Once you've had the chance to read through the information provided and have more specific questions then I or any of the Expert members of the site would be happy to assist you.

Phoenix


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