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please advise My fiance is 300 lbs and we are about to change beds

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23 Sep 2017 01:11 #1 by suziQ
Forum any help would be great

we are about to buy a latex tallaly 3 inches and medium firm foam of 5in in queen bed so my husband who is obese can move in bed ''
It is called dorimer in alberta any one have experience with the company?

He cant movein the tempur ...it is called the latex dream bed can anyone advise ?

Tried full latex too firm .we have latex topper california berkly queen but i am concerned wiht mixing foam on bootm of latex?

however tempur is foam right

please advise

thanks

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23 Sep 2017 10:12 #2 by Phoenix
Hi suziQ,

we are about to buy a latex tallaly 3 inches and medium firm foam of 5in in queen bed so my husband who is obese can move in bed ''


Welcome back.

For someone in a higher BMI range, the key will be finding componentry that will be of appropriate quality for your specific situation, which will then give you the best chance at have a successful comfort life, so I would always make sure that you find out the information listed here so you can compare the quality of the materials and components. Those in a higher BMI range want to be especially prudent in the choice of their components. For those in a higher BMI range, there is more information about selecting a mattress in the durability guidelines here . Specifically, if your BMI is 30 or higher:

For the polyfoam core I would look for 2.0 lb per cubic foot density or higher.

All latex would generally be a durable material, but you may wish to avoid something “ultra plush” to assist with a higher BMI and also to make repositioning in bed easier.

Post #3 here has more information and suggestions about heavier weights that is worth reading.

You’d want to find out the ILD (softness) of the Talalay latex in the upper layer of the mattress you’re considering, and then you’d want to know the density of the polyfoam being used in the 5” polyfoam core.

One concern I would have with a higher BMI would be to make sure that there is enough comfort material overall, as that can be more adaptable for heavier weights and multiple sleeping positions. It will compress from softer to firmer more gradually which means that there is more "range" of compression without the mattress becoming too firm for heavier weights (or parts of the body). I’d have a concern if the mattress you’re considering would have enough material overall for your husband, so you’d definitely want him to test the item in person with you.

It is called dorimer in alberta any one have experience with the company? it is called the latex dream bed can anyone advise ?


I believe you are referring to Dormir Bed & Foam in Calgary. They offer a wide range of foams, and you’d want to check with them about the specifics of any mattress (such as the Latex Dream) you’re considering. They should be able to provide you very detailed information, as they are very familiar with latex and polyfoam, and I'd seek their advice for something appropriate for someone in a higher BMI range. They don’t list the specifications of the Latex Dream on their web site. If you find out the specifications and post them back here I’ll be happy to comment upon them.

He cant movein the tempur ...


It is true that is can be more difficult for people to reposition on products using memory foam in the uppermost layers, as memory foam has very low resilience (rebound or “springiness), and there’s really not much you can do to change that, as it is the nature of almost all memory foam to “behave” in that manner. Latex and firmer high-density and high-resiliency polyfoam will display better resilience and will be much easier for someone to reposition upon.

Tried full latex too firm .


Latex is available in many different levels of plushness, so it sounds as if you tried something that overall used layers that were too firm for your particular preference. The fact that the all-latex mattress you tested was too firm wasn’t because it was an “all-latex” configuration, but because the latex that was being used was using latex that was firmer than what you desire and/or in a layering combination that was inappropriate for your preference.

we have latex topper california berkly queen but i am concerned wiht mixing foam on bootm of latex?


I’m sorry, but I don’t understand what you’re stating/asking here. If you concern is with placing a latex topper on top of a latex mattress or one that uses a latex/polyfoam combination, that is actually something that is common, but it would come down to your own personal comfort preference if the combination met your needs. If you’re considering placing the latex on top of your memory foam mattress, it will modify the surface comfort and conformation a bit, but more than likely if it I a very plush topper it will still be difficult for your husband to reposition.

however tempur is foam right


Tempurpedic mattresses are generally built using polyfoam base support cores (some are now using innersprings) and then on top of that are other polyfoam and memory foam layers.

Phoenix

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23 Sep 2017 17:11 #3 by suziQ
Thank you for your reply. So I have read your info on latex and have got the ild of the latex talallay it is 24 .one if their beds is made of top layer 3 inches latex -next layer is memory foam 2 inches of 5 pound weight bottom layer is foam of 2.2 to make up 10 inch bed .this bed is softer than the other which is 4 inches of 24 ild of latex and the rest foam. The latter is bouncier but not enough pressure relief on arm for my guy . So what do you think of these options
1---buy the. First bed w memory foam as second layer but add 1 inch latex to make 4 inches in top and 2 in memory foam middle then core of 2.2 foam -this way my guy won't sink to memory foam layer? My question. Is will it make the bed firmer with an inch more of latex?
-or buy the bed as is and use California Berkeley 2 in latex topper on top ? Which will make a 12 inch bed
-third option buy the latex 4 in and foam 6 inches and then add ca Berkeley topper to help w pressure points ?
-also can I ask purpose of 2 inch memory foam below 3 in latex it definitely made bed softer . So he likes that but we are concerned he will sink thru latex to memory foam layer as he is big in midsection.?
Of the two beds the one w memory foam offers more pressure relief and he is still able to move . But sank a bit so we are hoping adding one inch latex will help?
This bed will work well in adjustable as it is just softer.
-we prefer not to have to use the topper if possible as it could slide.
Do you agree one more inch is helpful or would it firm up the latex more?
-lastly he is dying in the Tempur as he has arthritis and can't move in the night -makes sense -he can't really get out of the bed well without using the frame .
-the latex bed without memory foam is quite springy but firmer and less pressure relief -
---he does not sink as much in this bed but it also will not work as well on adjustable .
So he likes the memory foam one w 3 inch latex top -we just don't want it to be too firm by adding a one in layer of latex -then it is custom bed. So if you could shed some light on these issues we would know and can purchase bed asap ?

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23 Sep 2017 21:41 #4 by suziQ
Gabe why woul dyou troll my post ?
You can see we have an adjustable with no need for a spring bed.I fyou have a bed htat fits on an adjustable then that makes sense but a spring one?

No thank you .I am interested in what phoenix has to say about the latex bed .

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23 Sep 2017 21:45 #5 by suziQ
yikes Gabe i looked at your website .....and that is ok i guess but i already got suckered for a cotton type mattress ,,,,thousands of dollars didnt relive pressure points at all nor did it owrk on an adjustable ....

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24 Sep 2017 11:31 - 24 Sep 2017 15:21 #6 by Phoenix
Hi suziQ,

Thanks for the details on the items you are considering.

Item #1
3” 24 ILD Talalay latex
2” 5 lb memory foam
5” 2.2 lb polyfoam support core

Item #2
4” 24 ILD Talalay latex
6” 2.2 lb polyfoam support core

First bed w memory foam as second layer but add 1 inch latex to make 4 inches in top and 2 in memory foam middle then core of 2.2 foam -this way my guy won't sink to memory foam layer? Is will it make the bed firmer with an inch more of latex?


He would still sink into the memory foam layer, but adding the extra 1” of latex will provide a bit more “resistance” in the upper comfort layers. The extra foam really won’t make the mattress feel “firmer”, as you’re using more of the same style of foam and the foam that you’re using generally wouldn’t be considered “firm”.

or buy the bed as is and use California Berkeley 2 in latex topper on top ? Which will make a 12 inch bed


I don’t know the specifications of this topper, but my concern would be with someone having a high BMI creating too many soft comfort layers that can negatively impact alignment.

also can I ask purpose of 2 inch memory foam below 3 in latex it definitely made bed softer . So he likes that but we are concerned he will sink thru latex to memory foam layer as he is big in midsection.?


The purpose of any foam layer in the design is what the designer is desiring in the overall creation of comfort. The memory foam will allow for a softer deeper transition layer from the latex to the memory foam, but I would have the same concern you do for too many plush comfort layers. Did you ask the opinion of the people at Dormir?

the latex bed without memory foam is quite springy but firmer and less pressure relief -
---he does not sink as much in this bed but it also will not work as well on adjustable .


Why do you say the latex would not work as well on the adjustable bed base? Was there something else in the design you didn’t mention? Latex works very well on power foundations, just like memory foam.

Overall, I can’t tell if something will feel “too firm” to you or your husband. That can only be accomplished through your own personal testing. Wasn’t there a 1” latex layer that Dormir was able to add to the top of the mattress you were considering for you to test out?

Phoenix

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24 Sep 2017 13:50 #7 by suziQ
The dorimer people just said go with what is comfortable. They were no too accomodating no prices dispalyed on beds and no components displayed either -the sales guy just says what it is made of,I am not completley sure if foam is 2lb but know latex is 24

2- the bottom of bed is poly foam remember? not full latex it is a firm foam .but should work on adjustable just not as well as the softer memory foam addition which uses less poly for support and less foam on bottom for support.


3-yes i agree he would sink in more layers but after being in a tempur and having arthritis and being crumpled in tempur it will be hard for him to have straight alighnment ---he is NOT in good shape-that will hurt a bit -good alignment with the bed without memory foam layer but he loses pressure relief on arms

4- he seemed to sink more in the one with memeory foam the other was bouncy -good support


5- we are probably going to buy this bed as he needs something now --the firmer one with bounce and decent alignement --no tempur

6- I dont know what else to do ,as he is in pain everytime wakes up



7 any advice on buying the firmer bouncier latex with good alighnment or buy the softer one with less foam support on bottom and hope for the best? if buy firmer latex one our topper is very soft and could provide some pressure relief ,,it is very very soft latex .Could that not work for temorary relief until he gets used to being aligned.?
8- the bed is non refundable - I checked your online suggestions too and the tis very hard to buy a bed online

any ideas here?

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24 Sep 2017 15:01 #8 by suziQ
Thanks in advance ,the other otion is edmonton where they use energia as core and 18ild latex very soft .
but no delivery from edmonton .
The bed form dorimer is 6 inched support foam and 4 inches latex top ...very bouncy quite supportive .

sorry had to clarify .

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24 Sep 2017 15:03 #9 by suziQ
Forgot price ,2000 for bed with memory foam
1800 for bed with just latex and foam

and the bedseller in edmonton 2700 .
these beds are not refundable-no trial periods.

alos i have lost the canadian online seller you had posted several .cannot find it on your site any help with this?
thanks so much

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24 Sep 2017 15:26 #10 by Phoenix
Hi suziQ,

the sales guy just says what it is made of,I am not completley sure if foam is 2lb but know latex is 24


You mentioned 2.2 lb polyfoam in your other post, so that’s the assumption I was using.

the bottom of bed is poly foam remember? not full latex it is a firm foam .but should work on adjustable just not as well as the softer memory foam addition which uses less poly for support and less foam on bottom for support.


Yes, I am aware of that, as that is the information that you provided and that I reposted. Polyfoam support cores work well on adjustable bed bases. Polyfoam support cores are what memory foam mattresses use and “hybrid” latex mattresses often use, and these are fine for power base use.

yes i agree he would sink in more layers but after being in a tempur and having arthritis and being crumpled in tempur it will be hard for him to have straight alighnment ---he is NOT in good shape-that will hurt a bit -good alignment with the bed without memory foam layer but he loses pressure relief on arms


I’m sorry for your husband’s health issues, but only you both can determine what might work best for him. Sometimes in specific situations people choose surface plushness over alignment to meet their very specific needs.

I dont know what else to do ,as he is in pain everytime wakes up


Unfortunately, with so many health issues, I don’t know how much of a difference a mattress will make, but something that uses more supportive comfort materials (like the latex) and more breathable (also like the latex) can help with the repositioning and temperature issues you mentioned. But any type of softer material will tend to insulate a person more, and can still tend to sleep warmer.

any advice on buying the firmer bouncier latex with good alighnment or buy the softer one with less foam support on bottom and hope for the best? if buy firmer latex one our topper is very soft and could provide some pressure relief ,,it is very very soft latex .Could that not work for temorary relief until he gets used to being aligned.?


I wouldn’t be able to predict or choose what mattress might work best for your husband, especially with so many specific and individual health issues. I can only help differentiate between the products you are mentioning.

alos i have lost the canadian online seller you had posted several .cannot find it on your site any help with this?


You may be referring to the information in this post .

Phoenix

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