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13 Feb 2019 17:16 #11 by bdmma
Replied by bdmma on topic Help finding right Mattress
Thank you very much Phoenix for the reply and the link! Just a few quick clarifying questions..

1) Would replacing that 1 inch 19 ild layer with 2 inches of 28 ILD Talalay make the mattress feel softer/reduce pressure points?

2) The other possibility is I can also replace the 45 ILD poly core with a 40 ILD poly core. Is a 3 pound 45 ILD polyfoam considered extra firm or firm? All I really want is regular firm. So do you think maybe changing the core to 40 ILD could help relieve pressure points while still being firm?

So maybe the construction could be:

1 inch cotton/foam cover
2 inch 28 ild Talalay
8 inch 40 ild 3 pound polyfoam

Thanks a lot. I've never done so much research on a mattress, it's exhausting lol.

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14 Feb 2019 16:20 #12 by Phoenix
Replied by Phoenix on topic Help finding right Mattress
Hi bdmma.

You are very welcome, I recognize that searching for a good the perfect mattress and good fit it can be totally "exhausting", but we do spend ⅓ of our lives in bed, hopefully sleeping!!! :)

Would replacing that 1 inch 19 ild layer with 2 inches of 28 ILD Talalay make the mattress feel softer/reduce pressure points?


Well technically the 28ILD is firmer, but since you are using two inches instead of 1 inch you will not “bottom out” or go right into the support core, so it may “feel” softer, but this is not something I'd consider a "soft" mattress. Yes, pressure point relief will clearly be better with 2” 28ILD Talalay compared to the 1" pf 19ILD polyfoam that will certainly cause you to "bottom out" and feel the firmer core layer underneath.

The other possibility is I can also replace the 45 ILD poly core with a 40 ILD poly core. Is a 3 pound 45 ILD polyfoam considered extra firm or firm? All I really want is regular firm. So do you think maybe changing the core to 40 ILD could help relieve pressure points while still being firm?


You are correct a 3lb 40 ILd poly core is considered a firm core, and I think your intuition is correct that this particular firm core is good quality and good weight, and depending on the layering on top you may not need Xfirm or more firm.

So maybe the construction could be:
1 inch cotton/foam cover
2 inch 28 ild Talalay
8 inch 40 ild 3 pound polyfoam


I cannot guarantee this will be the answer to all sleep prayers, but given your logic and approach to this change, you are certainly on the right track and I think you will feel an improvement over your existing/first build you purchased.

Thank you for posting and let us know how it works out.

Phoenix

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03 Mar 2019 19:49 #13 by bdmma
Replied by bdmma on topic Help finding right Mattress
Hi Phoenix,

Thank you for the tips! I spoke to the store, and went back to test out the possible alteration to the mattress. I tried the 2 inch 28 ild talalay latex instead of the 1 inch 19 ild polyfoam, and didn't love the feel of the latex. So I tried the following instead, which felt better, and this is what I'm leaning towards getting:

0.5 inch cotton/19ild foam cover
2.25 inch 28 ild 3 lb polyfoam
8 inch 45 ild 3 lb polyfoam base (kept this as they said it'd cost more to change the core)

My only question is, do you think I will get enough pressure relief from the 28 ild polyfoam, or do you think this would be harder on my shoulders (6'2,170 pounds) than what I have now (the 2.75" 19 ild comfort layer including the cover)? Since I'm quite lean, I didn't know if 28 ild is soft enough to get any pressure relief.

Thanks again for all the help!

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06 Mar 2019 17:30 #14 by Phoenix
Replied by Phoenix on topic Help finding right Mattress
Hi bdmma,

My only question is, do you think I will get enough pressure relief from the 28 ild polyfoam, or do you think this would be harder on my shoulders (6'2,170 pounds) than what I have now (the 2.75" 19 ild comfort layer including the cover)? Since I'm quite lean, I didn't know if 28 ild is soft enough to get any pressure relief.


it's really hard to say with certainty as every person is different and very unique in their requirements and ,aside from ILD numbers, there are many other variables at play ... including the cover and how taught it encases the mattress, but I am glad that you were able to go back to the store to have the real life experience instead of just guessing based on your previous hystory. Something like that can be extreamly helpful with fine tunning and critical in the mattress buying process.

Each individual is different and only you can determine if this is the right mattress for you. It would be best if you can compare these side by side and especially use Step 2 from these 5 steps to your best mattress article .

Particularly step 2. Testing for pressure relief. with testing the top 2" - 5" of a mattress. This is the part that forms a cradle around your body and relieves pressure on the "bony parts" by redistributing pressure points throughout the mattress surface. Test different mattresses to see if you are sinking in enough relieve pressure points and lie on the choices that feel the best (in terms of sinking in and relieving pressure) for 5-10 minutes, especially in the sleeping position that needs the most "sinking in" (generally side sleeping) to see what feels the best in terms of pressure relief. Choose the 2 or 3 that seem to create the least pressure points in all your different positions and go home and look at the constructions that worked for you. You will also see patterns here in terms of the thickness and type of comfort layers that work best for you. The most important part of this step is that you focus only on pressure relief and not confuse this with "initial feel" and "support". You will discover here how thick and soft your comfort layers need to be for your unique needs and also how soft and " point elastic " (or in the case of memory foam "point responsive") they need to be to create the perfect "cradle" for you.

The most important part of the "value" of a mattress purchase is "suitability" and how well it matches your specific needs and preferences in terms of PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences) which "translates" into how well you will sleep on the mattress. Only you can feel what you feel on a mattress or decide which one you would most likely prefer and that you believe is likely to be the best match for you based on your preferences and testing on different materials and types of mattresses.

It seems as you are getting very close to the best fit, I hope you can compare your final choices side by side and keep in mind that there is always going to be an adjustment period with any new mattress. (You adjusting to the mattress and the mattress adjusting to you)

Phoenix

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