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DIY Mattress 19 Oct 2017 15:35 #1

Currently I have an old version BME medium. While I can't really fault the materials and construction, over time the comfort layers have gotten too soft for my back and I really need something more firm. When it was brand new it was awesome. My wife however would prefer something softer than the BME. So I'm looking at putting something together myself. [EDIT] I've owned the BME for 18 months now. It's queen size.

I like this idea as I can replace a component as opposed to an entire mattress if there's something I need to change in the future. Saves money and effort and should be more flexible overall.

--BME Medium--
2" 28 ild Talalay
2" 32 ild Dunlop
6" Polyfoam Core 2 lb. (Correction: It's convoluted 6.5")

Here are some options I'm looking at:

--Base-- from mattresses.net (Arizona Mattress)
7" Certipure Polyfoam 1.9 lb 31 ILD ($249)
OR
6" Dunlop 36 ILD ($500)

--Comfort-- from Sedona Sleep Mattress
3" Talalay (one side 32 ILD, other side 28 ILD) ($345)

Another option on the comfort may be to contact Arizona Mattress to see if they could come up with a split comfort layer combo or I could trim two TwinXL comfort layers.

Any thoughts? Dunlop vs. Polyfoam? I've owned enough latex/poly core mattresses that I think I understand the ILD that should be right for me. I think the Dunlop may give better longevity although I know the base doesn't suffer as much as comfort layers.

[EDIT] One more thought. I could just replace the comfort layer on my BME. I think I'll try to open it up this weekend. I know the cover has a zipper. I'm not sure if the layers are glued together though.

Thanks for any input!!

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Last edit: by wrngway.

DIY Mattress 19 Oct 2017 16:59 #2

Hi wrngway,

If you do decide to open up your BME, you can see if you’re able to remove the top two layers of latex (they will be attached). Many people here on the site have performed successful “mattress surgery”. If you do decide to reuse the polyfoam core, you could simply have split queen pieces of latex cut for each side - two 2” layers. And as you stated you’re familiar with ILDs that you like, it should be easy for you to create the comfort you want on each side. But I guess for now the direction in which you head will be determined by your opening up your mattress, so I’ll await the results of that before entering into hypothetical configurations.

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DIY Mattress 20 Oct 2017 14:22 #3

If you do decide to open up your BME, you can see if you’re able to remove the top two layers of latex (they will be attached). Many people here on the site have performed successful “mattress surgery”. If you do decide to reuse the polyfoam core, you could simply have split queen pieces of latex cut for each side - two 2” layers. And as you stated you’re familiar with ILDs that you like, it should be easy for you to create the comfort you want on each side. But I guess for now the direction in which you head will be determined by your opening up your mattress, so I’ll await the results of that before entering into hypothetical configurations.


So I looked at my BME and it doesn't have a zipper like I thought it did. I'm not ready to go cutting as I may have family that might want it. The base in the BME is convoluted polyfoam (2 lb) per the video below.


I would think a convoluted layer would be detrimental to consistency of firmness & durability, however the material is good quality. So....even though I could re-use the old base, I'm leaning towards ordering a new one.

I also called Arizona Mattress. I think Sedona Sleep is an affiliate of theirs. In any case, they're willing to do a split queen latex topper at a good price. So here's what I'm leaning towards:

Topper: 3" Talalay Latex Blend Split Queen (32 ild / 28 ild)
Base: 6" Dunlop Latex (36 ild)
Cover: 9" Cotton OR Wool Bamboo. I'm not sure yet.

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Last edit: by wrngway.

DIY Mattress 20 Oct 2017 15:32 #4

Hi wrngway,

Yes, the polyfoam core has a convoluted surface on top to ease the transition from the upper comfort layers to the polyfoam core, and it also helps a bit with breathability. The core used in that mattress is quite durable.

What you’re considering ordering (yes, you're correct, Sedona Sleep is affiliated with Arizona Premium and Ken Hightower) does use good quality material. The one thing I would be curious about would be your wife’s response to the 28 ILD side and the softness of that and the transition from the latex to the polyfoam core.

I’ll be interested in learning about your eventual decision and combination.

Phoenix
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DIY Mattress 20 Oct 2017 17:33 #5

I was leaning towards getting the Dunlop 6" core. Based on what you say about the durability, my practical side says tear apart the BME and use that base foam before spending more. This might be better for the softer side transition to the base. I can always go back and get the Dunlop later. I'll cut a small hole tomorrow to check that the layers aren't glued together. YOLO?!?

BME base is 6.5" convoluted per the video. [Not sure how they measure that]

Would a 9" mattress cover be acceptable with a 3" comfort layer? That would be best if I end up getting the 6" base and makes the most sense to me.

[EDIT] The BME mattress uses adhesive between the layers. There's not an easy way to separate them without getting some tearing in the dunlop layer.

So I'll likely go with a 6" 36 ild Dunlop base & 3" split queen (32 ild/28ild) blended talalay. Two 2" comfort layers would likely be $100 more although easier to fine tune later.

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DIY Mattress 21 Oct 2017 09:15 #6

Hi wrngway,

I was leaning towards getting the Dunlop 6" core.


I meant Dunlop, not polyfoam. Sorry about that. Had Sedona Sleep on the brain and their polyfoam core option.

Based on what you say about the durability, my practical side says tear apart the BME and use that base foam before spending more. This might be better for the softer side transition to the base. I can always go back and get the Dunlop later. I'll cut a small hole tomorrow to check that the layers aren't glued together. YOLO?!?


The layers are attached, which I see you confirmed later in your post when you performed “exploratory” mattress surgery ;) . The video you embedded in your earlier post has the layers loose for ease of description. Too bad about the difficulty in separating these layers, but at least you know the mattress was built well.

BME base is 6.5" convoluted per the video. [Not sure how they measure that]


That is usually measured from the bottom to the “hills” of the engineered or convoluted design.

So I'll likely go with a 6" 36 ild Dunlop base & 3" split queen (32 ild/28ild) blended talalay. Two 2" comfort layers would likely be $100 more although easier to fine tune later.


Because of the familiarity you said you have with the ILDs you like, the thought of using two 2” layers on each side would be intriguing, because as you stated it allows for more chance to fine tune. For some people this adds a level of complexity that isn’t welcome, but in your case it might be something to consider.

Phoenix
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DIY Mattress 17 Mar 2018 18:07 #7

I always like to post a follow up some time after a mattress purchase. Here's my experience to date with Arizona Mattress. I ended up purchasing the following:

--Base-- from mattresses.net (Arizona Mattress)
6" Dunlop 36 ILD ($500)

--Comfort-- from mattresses.net (Arizona Mattress)
3" Talalay (one side 32 ILD, other side 28 ILD) ($298)

--Cover-- from mattresses.net (Arizona Mattress)
9" Bamboo Wool Zippered Cover ($269)

It all showed up in 2 heavy duty boxes and foam was vacuum packed and strapped to prevent expansion. Ordered 23 October and delivered 22 November. Assembly was straightforward after watching their videos on youtube.

The mattress didn't need much break-in compared to other mattresses that may have been fully vacuum sealed for longer periods of time.

I ordered differing firmness for the top layer for my wife and me. You can tell a slight difference between the two. It's nothing dramatic, but it's noticeable. So far it's working out great. Support is good. We're not bottoming out at all. I've rotated the mattress once. Temp isn't too warm, but I haven't used it in the summer yet. The best part is being able to just order a replacement comfort layer if we need a change in the future.

I did also order the Queen Restora Latex Pillow. It's a touch firmer than the cheaper latex pillows you get from JC Penney etc.. It's exactly what I was looking for. I get much better support from it.

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DIY Mattress 19 Mar 2018 17:17 #8

Hi wrngway.

Thank you for taking the time to update us on the forum and for your comments, it's great to hear that it is working out so well for you.

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DIY Mattress 19 Mar 2018 20:22 #9

Do you know where I can find 15 inch to 18 inch matress covers? I can only find 12

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DIY Mattress 19 Mar 2018 23:15 #10

Hi El1itehax0r.

Welcome to our Mattress Forum! :)

Do you know where I can find 15 inch to 18 inch matress covers? I can only find 12


On top of my head, one of our Members that make 15” covers/encasements is: Arizona Premium’s , 15" Bamboo - Wool Zippered Mattress Cover
You may also want to also peruse the mattress covers in the component post here .

There are many options for zippered encasements of a mattress. You can check out some of the more knowledgeable outlets like Allergy Buyers Club (or their sister site Sleep Buyers Club ) are often great resources because they personally test all of their products and have good comparative descriptions of the different materials on their site.

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