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Bed in a Box in Canada .. Fleep?

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17 Apr 2018 14:35 #1 by pled
Hello, looking at some Bed in a box options here in Canada and came across a company named Fleep.
The matress is dual-sided, a soft side and a firmer side. Its a local company which is a plus for me.

Is there anything to look for in this kind of design or any weak links ? BMI under 30

Here are the specs
Firm side, perforated instant response foam (2 in.) : 4.5 lbs
Dense therapeutic foam adjusted to provide firm comfort (2 in.) 1.8 lbs
Dense therapeutic foam, adjusted to provide soft comfort (4 in.) 1.8 lbs
Soft side, perforated gel-infused memory foam (2 in.) : 4.0 lbs

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18 Apr 2018 15:15 - 18 Apr 2018 16:56 #2 by Phoenix
Hi pled.

Welcome to our Mattress Forum! :)

Thanks for providing the specs for Fleep. The mattress is a 4 layer, 2 comfort options (reversible)10” Gel-infused Memory Foam that was launched a little more than two years ago by Matelas Fleep inc. in Quebec (CEO Gelinas)
The mattress uses Memory foam comfort layers and CertiPUR certified polyurethane foam with removable cover, (74% Polyester, 25% Thermocool® fiber, 1% spandex~ sportswear hand-washable fabric) and it uses FR sock that encloses the mattress layers; Based on the densities you provided there are no red flags at your under 30 BMI.

When considering this mattress I would keep in mind that the mattress does not have further customization options to rearrange or exchange layers to fine tune it if it turns out that it's not a suitable choice for your specific needs and preferences, so it would be an "all or nothing" purchase. It has a 111 days free trial and returns policy, with a better return policy if you chose to purchase it from Costco (Canada only). I would recommend that you test the mattress to determine if you like the feel of it and if it is a good fit for you at a nearby Costco store. (Softness and firmness and the "feel" of a mattress is very subjective and varies with each person's weight and body type, sleeping positions, preferences, and individual perceptions)

In case you are considering this item, I would also make sure to check Costco’s warranty policy and their online here and make sure that you have a suitable foundation to place the product upon and that you rotate the mattress periodically as directed in their care instructions.

Hope this helps with your research for a new mattress.

Phoenix

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Last edit: 18 Apr 2018 16:56 by Phoenix.

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18 Oct 2018 14:44 #3 by Caeser
Hi Phoenix,

I'm interested in hearing your thoughts on the Fleep mattress that allows you to sleep on either side for a firm or soft feel. The mattress specs are:

On the firm ‘n perfect side, perforated instant response foam (2 in.) : 4.5 pcf
Dense therapeutic foam adjusted to provide soft comfort (4 in.) : 1.8 pcf
Dense therapeutic foam adjusted to provide firm comfort (2 in.) : 1.8 pcf
On the soft ‘n perfect side, perforated gel-infused memory foam (2 in.) : 4.0 pcf

It seems like there are no weak links, but seeing as the mattress can be used on either side is there anything extra that should be taken into consideration? Looking forward to hearing your thoughts. Thanks.

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20 Oct 2018 19:22 - 20 Oct 2018 19:31 #4 by Phoenix
Hi Caeser.

Fleep mattress is one of the newer Bed in the Box (BIB) entries on the Canadian market (2 years old) that capitalizes on the reversible feature and the 2 comfort options it offers. While in terms of durability this mattress would not raise any red flags for average BMI weight ranges, I would place a slight caution for higher BMI ranges (See the durability guidelines here ) They do not list the ILD specifications of the layers to be able to assess the bed design as it relates to softness/firmness needs of any individual sleeper. In the case of poly and memory foam, density and ILD specifications are the only reliable indicators of quality and suitability regardless of any names or word descriptions used to describe the foams on a website. If anything, and generally speaking, foam names and descriptions are more connected with marketing and generally do nothing more than to created confusion in a market that is already saturated by clever ways of using words to "push" and make a product more “marketable” based on an impression that is created about the foam/product rather than quantifiable qualities given by facts, specifications, testing and raw data.

In the case of Fleep while the idea of having two-sided BIB is novel as it can accommodate a wider range of needs it is essentially a BIB with two comfort options. While they list two firmness choices (firm and soft) it is not clear where in the range of firmness/softens this would fall … e.g. how soft the soft is or how firm the firm is. A more reliable way of assessing suitability would be listing the ILD. Someone looking for a “different firm” in a Fleep mattress would not be able to make it work unless they exchange one of the memory foam layers inside the mattress.

You can also read some of my initial thoughts about the mattress in Post #2 here and you can also perform a quick Forum Search here to see what has been previously discussed about them on the forum.

Phoenix.
(ADMIN Note: The posts about Fleep to its own dedicated topic to make it easier to research. )

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Last edit: 20 Oct 2018 19:31 by Phoenix.

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04 Oct 2019 18:10 #5 by _Lili_
HI, I'm also considering Fleep as I think I need a more supportive or firm mattress, I'm now trying a Silk + Snow (the regular foam one) and I think when I'm on my back I dont't feel enough support for my lower back. But I also sleep on my side and my husband is also a side and back sleeper (we are 120 and 160 lbs). Would the firm side of Fleep be a good option for us? I'm also looking at the Bear which is also firmer than S + S and it's a more known company.... I don't want to try 5 mattresses :-)

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06 Oct 2019 23:34 - 06 Oct 2019 23:35 #6 by Phoenix
Hi Lili.

Welcome to our Mattress Forum! :)

I understand why you would want to avoid the trial and error process of 5 choices of one size fits all types of mattresses. Unfortunately, even with knowing all specs you may still have difficulties ensuring that you get the firmness/softness that would be the best match for both you and for your husband. Of course we’re always happy to help with "how" to choose, to act as a "fact check, or to help find better manufacturers or retailers that have better quality and value but "what" to choose in terms of either a mattress or the balance between comfort/pressure relief and support/alignment that may be suitable for a specific person is always up to the only person who can feel what they feel on a mattress and can be validated only by personal testing or … a more detailed discussions with the more knowledgeable people at the retailers or manufacturers that sell a mattress you are considering…. the mattress that is best for each person (or a couple) is a matter of preference and which mattress design works best for their individual needs and preferences in terms of PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences). The mattress that works best for each person is as unique as people themselves.

It is difficult to make comparisons based on the internal firmness rating of the manufacturers themselves and also because all the layers and materials and the design are different for each mattress and every small difference between two mattresses can either have a cumulative effect or an offsetting effect that is very difficult for even a knowledgeable and experienced online manufacturer or retailer to predict how will work out for each individual. It can be surprising to many people how different they can feel (especially when most people only pay attention only to the IFD/ILD numbers of the foam layers and not to all the other specs or components that can make a significant difference in how a mattress feels and performs). This is especially true for those that are more sensitive and have a narrower "range" for a mattress that will work well or them.

The best suggestion I could make is to read through How to find the best mattress for you in post #1 here and the information it links to with basic information which can act as a reference to help you know who has the knowledge and experience to help you make good choices that are suitable for your needs and preferences and who is only interested in selling you whatever they can.

I am not sure which of the 3 models provided by Bear you are looking at, but you can read about their original 10” mattress in the simplified choice thread here with specs changes here , and more about experiences other forum members have had with Silk & Snow here and Bear here .

Looking forward to hearing about your choice and any other questions you might have.
Phoenix

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Last edit: 06 Oct 2019 23:35 by Phoenix.

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15 Oct 2019 07:46 #7 by _Lili_
Hi, yes I was talking about the Original Bear Mattress. It's perfect when on my back, very supportive and firm but I also sometimes sleep on my side and then it's to hard for the shoulders... The Silk & Snow (foam) was the opposite, to soft when on my back, (not enough support for lower back) but good for the side. Maybe I need something in between in terms of firmness... if anyone has suggestions?

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17 Oct 2019 09:33 #8 by Sensei
Hey Lili,

Thanks for sharing your mattress shopping journey with everyone on The Mattress Forum:). You've been doing a lot of hands-on comparison shopping! Hopefully, you found our How to find the best mattress for you in post #1 here advice helpful with your process.

HI, I'm also considering Fleep as I think I need a more supportive or firm mattress, I'm now trying a Silk + Snow (the regular foam one) and I think when I'm on my back I dont't feel enough support for my lower back. But I also sleep on my side and my husband is also a side and back sleeper (we are 120 and 160 lbs). Would the firm side of Fleep be a good option for us? I'm also looking at the Bear which is also firmer than S + S and it's a more known company.... I don't want to try 5 mattresses


It sounds like you're considering a Fleep mattress option. I did some checking of their
comfort level materials' specs without much more detail than "lbs per cubic ft" numbers and agree with Phoenix's thoughts from an earlier question in post #13 :

In the case of Fleep while the idea of having two-sided BIB is novel as it can accommodate a wider range of needs it is essentially a BIB with two comfort options. While they list two firmness choices (firm and soft) it is not clear where in the range of firmness/softens this would fall … e.g. how soft the soft is or how firm the firm is. A more reliable way of assessing suitability would be listing the ILD. Someone looking for a “different firm” in a Fleep mattress would not be able to make it work unless they exchange one of the memory foam layers inside the mattress.


So, it will be interesting to hear which way you decide to go, keep us posted on how things turn out with your Fleep experience and any other questions you may have:).

Thanks,
Sensei

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