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Narrowed down to Nest Bedding Hybrid Latex....extra questions?

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07 Jan 2019 14:10 #1 by gryffin
I can't seem to start a new thread on the General Questions forum. I'm shopping for a mattress for my husband and I.

He sleeps primarily on his side, is 5'7" and weighs about 215. I sleep either on my side or stomach- changing positions in the night, am 5'6" and weigh about 155. He has been suffering from shoulder pain which wakes him up. I am struggling with night sweats.

We currently have a pretty firm Sealy Posturepedic king mattress. Often when we sleep at inns/air b&bs, we find that the mattresses feel "too soft" compared to our own. In these situations, I struggle with lower back pain. During my mattress search, I believe that what I thought was "softness" was actually lack of support. We sleep best on our home mattress, but I think we are discovering that it is causing pain because it is too firm to provide any pressure relief- especially for my husband who has joint pain (knees and shoulder).

I believe I've narrowed my choices down to the Nest Hybrid Latex (Natural, not Organic) in the Medium firmness. In part, I'm attracted to the idea that we can swap out the Medium layer for the Firm comfort layer, or even split comfort layers if we find out that our needs are different.

Does this sound like a reasonable plan?

Thanks!

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08 Jan 2019 19:02 #2 by Phoenix
Hi griffin.

Welcome to our Forum! :)

It is always very rewarding and makes things so much simpler when consumers take a bit of time to understand their sleeping landscape. You are correct and seem to be heading in the right direction. It sounds like you did some good research and have a very good understanding of what your needs are … and you are also wise to make some provisions for fine-tuning of the sleeping system if need be by choosing a mattress that can be customized after purchase.

I believe that what I thought was "softness" was actually lack of support. We sleep best on our home mattress, but I think we are discovering that it is causing pain because it is too firm to provide any pressure relief- especially for my husband who has joint pain (knees and shoulder).


I heartily agree with you…the two main functions of every mattress are to keep your spine and joints inside the range of their neutral alignment in all your sleeping positions and to relieve pressure by redistributing your weight across the surface of the mattress. Sometimes it can be a struggle to tune in on the correct combination of primary/secondary support and comfort for your particular needs and preferences especially when dealing with higher weight differential between sleeping partners as you both will need different contour and support configurations at your respective weights and sleeping positions. I’ll only add a couple more thoughts that may be helpful in your final selection that you may wish to look into:

Your husband’s BMI is 33.67 kg/m2 which is higher than yours at 25.02 kg/m2 so you may also wish to consider a split side by side option to ensure the softness/firmness suitability for both. With your prone sleeping position, you’d also need a firmer sleeping surface too and you may wish to review the guidelines in this Sleep Positions Article [url] so that you avoid hyperextension in a swayback position that can cause back issues. You did not mention what your husband’s sleeping position is but from your description it sounds like he sleeps on his side and he’d certainly need a bit more pressure relief and a softer/thicker comfort layer.

Just in case you missed it Post #3 here (which I think you may have already found) has more information and suggestions about heavier weights that is worth reading. A high BMI presents special challenges and generally requires firmer materials (which is good because it can go hand in hand with your prone sleeping position) Heavier people, in general, will need firmer and thicker comfort layers and firmer support layers than those who are lighter and because no materials will last as long with much higher weights the quality and durability of the materials and components is even more important than normal.

I am struggling with night sweats.


Your choice of materials within the mattress you “narrowed down” is very appropriate for the issues you mentioned.. Latex, in general, is also the most breathable and "temperature neutral" of all the different types of foam materials so this along with the Joma Wool used within the cover, and natural cotton. will certainly help with the night sweats.
Latex allows for more air flow than any other foams and when changing positions on the mattress the air will be moved in and out like within an accordion. The issue of the sleeping microclimate on a mattress is a complex one and each layer of a mattress ... especially the ones that are closest to the body ... contributes to the overall effect in one way or another and of course, there are many other factors involved such as how deeply you sink into insulating materials that have different ventilation levels (this is connected to the comfort of the mattress). Hopefully, this will fill in any gaps that aren't in the other posts I linked.

There is more about the many variables that can affect the sleeping temperature of a mattress or sleeping system in post #2 here that can help you choose the types of materials and components that are most likely to keep you in a comfortable temperature range. Latex itself is a quite breathable material.

Often when we sleep at inns/air b&bs, we find that the mattresses feel "too soft" compared to our own. In these situations, I struggle with lower back pain.


In a way I am glad that you have one more reason to stay away from B&B and “Hotel mattresses” because they tend to be lower quality and value than the consumer mattresses made by the same manufacturer in the same price range and more basic versions of the retails products that many mattress companies offer (which isn’t a good thing). It usually depends for how long they’ve been uses and broken they are in their life cycle but one of the "secrets" to many hotel and B&b mattress is that they usually use a bedding package that includes a mattress pad or topper that is a big part of how the mattress feels and can also add to the durability of the mattress (replacing a mattress pad or topper can be less costly than replacing a whole mattress because a mattress or sleeping system will usually soften or break down from the top down). In many cases, the more subjective short term experience of sleeping at a hotel is an improvement over the mattress that people sleep on regularly and this often "translates" into the perception that hotel mattresses are better than they are. They are a frequent source of buyer's remorse. They tend to be firmer products using softer “top-of-bed” materials to create extra plushness. There’s more good information about hotel mattresses in post #3 here .

Nest Bedding as you probably know are a member of this site which means that I think very highly of them and that I believe they compete well with the best in the industry . They offer excellent customer service and have staff that will guide you through your choices to ensure suitability and I’d make sure to reach out to them for guidance.

Note: Once you’ve had the chance to see my reply here I’ll be moving your post to a different thread to better reflect the topic.

Let us know what you’ve decided and of course, any other questions you may have.

Phoenix

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11 Jan 2019 15:23 #3 by gryffin
Thanks for your comprehensive response! I did talk to a representative at Nest, and they steered me to the Medium firmness in the Hybrid Natural Latex. The only issue remaining is with the foundation. We have a new platform bed on order- it is an Amish made semi custom piece, with a solid, furniture-grade plywood base over storage drawers on both sides and a bookcase headboard. The solid plywood is not recommended by Nest.

I need to look for something I can put over the plywood- I started reading through the pinned post on this forum. I found the Coir mats- is that enough? I couldn't find a slat conversion kit- Flobeds shows something on their site, but they don't sell it.

I'm not entirely sure how high we want to raise the mattress- we can't raise it too high or it will block the storage compartments in the headboard. I'm waiting on an exact max height from the manufacturer, but we'll definitely need something low profile or ultra low profile.

Thanks-
Nicole

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12 Jan 2019 22:12 #4 by Phoenix
Hi gryffin/Nicole.

I am glad that Nest closely guided you through the selection process (they are very skilled and knowledgeable) .. their Hybrid Natural Latex is a good quality/value option that seems to be a close fit to your needs and preferences. Of course, until you sleep on it for a while and allow your body to adjust to the mattress and for the mattress to break in a bit you can’t be 100% sure, but so far all looks very promising.

I need to look for something I can put over the plywood- I started reading through the pinned post on this forum. I found the Coir mats- is that enough? I couldn't find a slat conversion kit- Flobeds shows something on their site, but they don't sell it.


A Choir bed rug would be a good choice as its porous structure allows for air to circulate more freely between the mattress bottom and the plywood. While IMO the bed rug in combination with the pocket coils would ensure adequate ventilation and breathability, as usual in these cases I always recommend checking manufacturer policies and ask them to clarify if using the coconut husks layer for ventilation would be enough and wouldn't invalidate their mattress warranty in case things don't turn out as well as you have hoped for. You can read Joe Alexander’s (Nest’s CEO) thoughts about mattress breathability in this article here .

You probably came across some of my past recommendations for something like this bed rug in between the mattress and the plywood ... SavvyRest’s 1" bed Rug would most likely be thin enough to still allow access to the storage compartments in the headboard. FloBeds slat conversions here (which has no flex) would also be suitable so I'd make a call find out if is discontinued or if they just don't have it available at the moment. I also previously linked one of the Ikea slatted bed bases here (which you’d certainly need to check on the thickness but because it has some flex it may change how the mattress feels and performs). You can also look into something like the fabric covered Bunkie Boards here that wouldn't add too much height to your platform bed. If this passes Nest's approval and if you are somewhat DIY inclined this can be a fun little project to make it fit your platform bed's exact height specifications.

I am looking forward to hearing what the final setup is and how it all works out for you.

Phoenix

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17 Feb 2019 18:49 #5 by sweetandsourkiwi
I am curious about having a full platform under my Zenhaven, as required by the warranty. Joe Alexander's article makes it sound like this could create a moisture issue within the mattress. Would this hold true in a dry climate (semi arid desert?) Also, wouldn't the mattress ventilate somewhat through the sides?

My ZH foundation is failing and I've been looking at options to replace it that won't void the warranty. My reluctance to put my bed on top of plywood to satisfy the warranty is nudging me towards starting over with a manufacturer who can jibe with a slatted base.

Thanks in advance!

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20 Feb 2019 09:45 #6 by Sensei
Hey sweetandsourkiwi,

I just wanted to quickly comment on your ZH warranty/platform bed/slats/Joe Alexander article. As I read ZH warranty you are commenting about this section 3.0:

Your warranty will absolutely remain valid if the mattress has been used on a platform bed. If your platform bed has slats, it is required that you apply a layer of solid surface (i.e. plywood, masonite board) over the slats to achieve a uniform surface so as to preserve the longevity and integrity of our 2-sided technology. A solid surface will allow the bottom side to compress evenly and create level distribution throughout the newly created base of the mattress.


I believe your assumption about moisture build up (Joes article) with a flat piece of plywood is correct.....but I believe Zenhaven is making the integrity of there 2 Sided choice product and making the moisture issue a lower priority, or they question if there is any data to support this claim.

Thanks
Sensei

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20 Feb 2019 09:58 #7 by gryffin
We have our new hybrid latex mattress. For now it is on the foundation from our old mattress which is set on a traditional bed frame. We don't have the new platform bed yet. Once we get the platform bed, I'm going to figure out the exact height we need and then figure out what option suits us best. Apparently, there is no warranty concern with Nest- they just warn that the mattress might sleep hot without a "breathing layer".

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20 Feb 2019 11:04 #8 by oBMTo
I have a Nest Hybrid Latex incoming and currently have a Zinus Demetric Steel Elite Smartbase 14" frame . Is this frame good enough? Anything I can add to make it better, like a bed rug ?

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20 Feb 2019 12:39 #9 by NestHaven
Hi oBMTo,

We have our Nest Bedding Natural Hybrid latex mattresses (queen and full) set up on wood-slat foundations, including this one on our queen bed - www.nestbedding.com/products/versa-base . The wood-slat option has been working fine for us. We had the steel version on our previous mattress for a year, and that worked as well. You may want to check with Nest Bedding simply to be sure, though. Their Customer Service team should be able to let you know definitively.

Hope that helps....

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21 Feb 2019 09:35 #10 by Sensei
Hi oBMTo,

Welcome to the forum :).

Hi gryffin, I see your question also. And thank you NestHaven, as always very good advice.

OBMTo, regarding the Zinus frame, whether it is good enough is really about your needs and preferences. Zinus has done a very good job selling low cost, but very sturdy and durable bed frames/platforms. For many people yes this is good enough. And for others, they like to use the recommendations of the seller/manufacturer.

A coir bed rug is a fine choice as its porous structure allows for air to circulate more freely between the mattress bottom and the plywood. While IMO the bed rug in combination with the pocket coils would ensure adequate ventilation and breathability. In these cases, we always recommend checking manufacturer policies and ask them to clarify if using the coconut husks layer for ventilation would be enough and wouldn't invalidate the Nest Bedding warranty , in case things don't turn out as well as you have hoped for.

Gryffin, thanks for the comment, again I agree with NestHaven and our policy is you should talk to Nest about their warranty.

Thanks again for posting and asking questions, and please don't hesitate to ask other questions you may have.

Thanks,
Sensei

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