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06 Jan 2019 22:22 - 06 Jan 2019 22:26 #1 by Peter.S

The Thread on Latex is Locked, I'm sure this is the wrong place to post and apologize in advance for mucking up my first post at TMU.

First I should caveat this post by thanking you Phoenix for the simply amazing job you do helping folks educate themselves about mattresses – a topic that has been of great interest to me for years.
Earlier this past year I was on a determined mission to buy a new mattress our seven years old king size memory foam had bottomed out, developed deep indentations and was in need of getting the boot and getting it fast. Although my husband can sleep on anything, literally he would be fine on a bed of glass shards and rusty nails.

I’m the exact opposite and even when I was much heavier with a BMI of “watch out it’s moving towards you” it seemed I was even more sensitive to the defects within the mattress beneath me – I began to seriously consider a latex mattress.

However, our life as we knew it, including mattress shopping came to a screeching halt when I was diagnosed with Colon Cancer in late October of 2018. I mention this because now my needs had changed considerably this was a total game changer. I was scheduled for surgery and knew I would need to make some changes to fit my new PPP.

For instance, I felt the mattress should be tall, almost waist high so getting in and out especially in the early days of recovery where you feel all of your core muscles had vanished - I had turned into Gumby but without the inside wire. I also believed recovery would be easier with denser foams in the top comfort layer so I would be less prone to getting stuck in one position and movement such as rolling over from one side to the other would be less of a struggle.
We ended up with a tall inner spring (14.5”) and low profile foundation that has worked beautifully. We’re pleased and so are the dogs and let’s face it, it’s their opinion that really counts.
I think because I’ve lost a significant amount of weight (70 pounds) that what was soft/plush to me 70 pounds ago feels firmer now at least this is my based on zero evidence conclusion. The problem is that even though I’m a side sleeper I wake up with tightness in my lower back. I had been thinking about a latex topper – I had heard the right time to add a topper was when a bed was new rather than old and lumpy and that a good mattress topper would wear out first and extend the life of the comfort layers below which I have no clue if this is true but it sounds like it could be. Add the thought of a more luxurious feeling to the mattress make it all sound like a good idea.
I’ve looked around all over the place they have toppers on Amazon where you get at least a 30 day return (providing it’s shipped by Amazon) is appealing but most of them aren’t listed as Dunlop or Talalay just “Natural” which is and I might be mistaken meaningless as there are no set standards the product has to meet.
I’ve considered toppers from 1.5 inches to 4” and think 3” my inclination is to go with soft with an ILD of around 20 would provide the extra cushy comfort I want and support at the hips and shoulder (I’m a side sleeper) that I hope to add.
With new treatment coming up quickly I know so will new aches and pains and because I’m spending more time in bed then the average Joe would want to so I’m trying to create as comfortable a surface as is within my – it’s all a lot to expect from a slab of foam but I’m finicky.

A few questions:

* Do all king size toppers have a seam down the middle – seems like most are two twin Xl’s glued together
* With my weight at 220 Would a medium (ILD of 28 - 30) be less prone to flattening out beneath me than a soft at an ILD of 20?
* With companies that often swap latex layers to help out their customers like SOL and Plush Beds how do you know you’re getting an unused Topper and not a return from another customer?
* I would have the topper between a puffy mattress protector and thin waterproof protector that said is a cover important?
* Do latex slabs such as those used within latex mattresses and toppers crumble?

In addition to Amazon, I’ve looked at Savvy Rest, Sleep on latex, Brooklyn Bedding’s Topper site ( I like their return policy) and others – although I avoid taking to heart reviews about comfort. I do consider reviews when I see common complaints like “strong rubber smell” which I come across frequently.

Thanks for suffering through my long winded post, I hope you had enough No-Doze handy I would love to hear any thoughts and especially hearing about other companies that sell a quality latex topper.
Thank’s In Advance,
Peter_S

Last Edit: 06 Jan 2019 22:26 by Peter.S.

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08 Jan 2019 15:02 - 08 Jan 2019 17:15 #2 by Sensei

Hi Peter S, welcome and thank you for your first post. :)

I am so sorry about the colon cancer diagnosis, and totally understand about how these life events make one reevaluate so many things and decisions. I hope we can help in any way, sleep will always help, that is for sure.

Yes, Phoenix is “amazing”, and as a side note, I personally love every person’s “zero evidence conclusions” because it is the truth for you!!! It makes perfect sense that many things feel different as we change weight significantly.

I had heard the right time to add a topper was when a bed was new rather than old and lumpy and that a good mattress topper would wear out first and extend the life of the comfort layers below which I have no clue if this is true but it sounds like it could be. Add the thought of a more luxurious feeling to the mattress make it all sound like a good idea.


I don’t think there is a right or wrong time to buy a topper. It can be a benefit to having a topper over a new mattress because it would extend the life of layers below it, but putting a beautiful topper over an old crappy mattress can be the greatest feeling in the world. You are also right that finding a high-quality topper can feel really luxurious and also help you achieve better sleep….it’s a great idea!

I think you are right on track with 3” topper will make a world of difference, nothing under 2”. And yes most people have better luck with the soft/med ild’s of 19-24 range.

A few questions:

Here are a few answers:

No, all king sized toppers do not have a seam down the middle. This is particular to any Talalay toppers as the process / company / molding capabilities of Talalay only allows 60 inch width products, hence the king is two txl pieces. Most Dunlop latex does not have a seam for king size toppers.

Higher ILD’s are in fact less prone to flattening out, which I am taking to believe you are talking about what people describe as bottoming out. But this is not to say that the 28 will be better, just factually higher density less prone to bottom out.
Regarding the unused topper question, our advice is to use our member companies as we go through a thorough process discussing all materials used in their products and they know if they were caught doing this it would be a huge problem for them.

Most always I believe a cover is better for protection, limiting the opportunities latex tearing the latex, cleaner, limiting the ultraviolet rays to the foam…but raw latex would certainly be perfectly fine.

Crumbling latex can be a little misleading, most latex foam is cut at some time to make the pieces to proper size. As the latex foam is cut, this side would have more “flaking” or what may be described as crumbling. High-quality latex, properly covered in a mattress or topper does not have an issue with crumbling.

Take the time to check out some of the latex toppers at our member sites, we have a lot of high quality latex experts in this forum. Good luck!

Thanks,
Sensei


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Last Edit: 08 Jan 2019 17:15 by Sensei.

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11 Jan 2019 08:29 #3 by Peter.S

Hi Sensei,

Thank you for the kind response to my post, I appreciate the time you took and the excellent points you've made. Just to give you a quick update I did take a good look at your members, which I've done many times in the past and have purchased a 3 inch 20 LD Latex topper from Sleep On Latex - which in fact is due to arrive this afternoon.
I'm confident it's going to be of great help in providing better sleep as I navigate through this recovery process. This particular post doesn't seem too command much interest and I didn't expect it too, your response was very helpful and that said, I'll post my experience with the topper to my audience of one (you!) just in case this particular issue at some point in time proves helpful to someone else.

Thanks Again,

Peter

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11 Jan 2019 15:06 #4 by Sensei

Hi Peter S,

Thank you for that message, I am happy to help. I am sure the topper will be quite helpful...great choice btw, Sleep on Latex, a member well known with many of our consumers.

That is very funny "posting to audience of one", which would be perfectly fine with me, but the audience is much larger than you and I....especially when consumers are talking about mattress toppers.

I am looking forward to how it works and good luck with everything!

Thanks,
Sensei


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14 Jan 2019 06:54 #5 by Peter.S

Hi Sensei,

Glad you liked the "audience of one" remark! I have no doubt other consumers may find our exchange a help in choosing a mattress topper, especially considering the massive membership TMU has.

I was very impressed with SOL and their product - I'll need to switch to their medium and drop the size down from 3" to 2" and I think I'll end up with the perfect solution. So a little tweaking is in order but I have no doubt it's worth every effort - thanks again for all the help.

Best,

Peter_S

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14 Jan 2019 14:02 #6 by Demill1866

Peter S.

Quick question. Just wondering why the move from 3" to 2". I just ordered a 3" and am now worried that I should have gone with 2".

Thanks,

David M

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15 Jan 2019 10:58 #7 by Peter.S

Hi David,

I wouldn't be worried whatsoever I felt that with the 3" thickness and the soft (20 ILD) although was good for my pressure points my hip area dipped to low.

You're experience with the 3" topper will be completely different from mine, I have no doubt and wish you the best of luck with it.

Peter

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