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normal What is the best latex mattress for me? Dilworth or Sleeping Organic?

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04 Feb 2019 18:39 #1 by johnep

What is the best latex mattress for me? Dilworth or Sleeping Organic
I discovered your website last week and found it extremely helpful in my quest for a new mattress. Mattress shopping is complicated and your website has helped me better understand the many options available. Thank you so much for educating consumers like me. You are providing a great service.

I am in the market for a new queen mattress. My current mattress is a inner springs firm that is about 12 to 15 years old. I have been looking for a foam mattress. Initially I was looking at memory foam, but after some research on your site and other places, I believe latex is a better choice as it seems to have a number of advantages over memory foam. I live in the Charlotte, NC area. Other relevant info is I am 74 years old, 5’8” and 150 pounds, and primarily a slide sleeper. I have mild asthma and acid reflux, but otherwise no major health issues.

There is a local mattress manufacturer, Dilworth Mattress, which manufactures latex and other types of mattresses. I talked with the owner who is the third generation of his family in this business. It seems to have a very good reputation as far as I can tell. I tried some mattresses in his showroom and found this product very comfortable: 10” latex mattress with 3 layers: 1.5” talalay soft (24 ILD), 2” talalay medium (28 ILD), 6” talalay firm ( 36 ILD). The talalay is a blended 60% natural, 40% synthetic, all made in USA. He believes the blend is a better product than natural. He would do natural layers at a higher price. Their price is $1995 for mattress and $2199 for set and $100 delivery and setup. The mattress is zippered and allows the customer to switch layers if they want to.

The owner claims he has been selling this product for many years and most customers get 17 to 20 years from it. I want a product that will serve me well for many years. I common complaint I hear is that mattresses work well initially and then begin to sag or cause back problems in a few years. I want to avoid that which is one reason I am willing to pay more for a mattress.

I saw the Sleeping Organic in Charleston, SC on your website. I called them and they have more options with latex (both talalay and Dunlop). They only use natural latex and claim it is superior to the blended latex. I configured a 10” mattress as follows: 2” talalay soft (19 to 23 ILD), 2” Dunlop medium (26 to 32 ILD) and 6” firm base (36 to 40 ILD). Their talalay is sourced from Sri Lanka and Dunlop from Poly Global but she said it was made in USA. They seem to have all the certifications desired for their latex. Their price is $1596 for the mattress and $1,971 for the set and free shipping (UPS). Their base is expensive at $375 versus $200 for Dilworth. As I understand it, the customer has to insert all the layers into the zippered cover.

Sleeping Organic allows 45 Night $99 Flat Return Fee for Personalized Mattresses and 100 Night $50 Layer Comfort Exchange for Personalized Mattresses. Dilworth has a 30 day comfort guarantee that allows exchange for other mattresses, only paying any difference in price. Sleeping Organic has the edge here.

I would like your thoughts and opinions about these 2 choices and any others you think I should consider. Do you think there is a significant difference in the 2 choices? I like the idea of a natural latex but I am not sure if that is significant or not as each company claims their latex is superior. I am not sure if the flexibility of different latex types is significant or not. I also like the idea of a local company in Charlotte although Charleston is only 3 hours away. My daughter lives in Charleston and I am there often. I could go there and try out their mattresses at their store to get a better idea of the right firmness and actually see the mattresses in person.
Thank you for your help.

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07 Feb 2019 11:11 #2 by Phoenix

Hi johnep,

Welcome to the forum! :)

Thank you for those kind words about our site and you are welcome. As you say, it can get complicated but you seem to be focused on two really good choices. Although Dilworth is a small manufacturer and not a member of our site, Dilworth is known as quality and reputable company by industry insiders. As you already know Sleeping Organic is one of our trusted members , so we can rely on their transparency and quality of materials.

Both choices obviously are using quality materials, Dilworth is clearly using blended Talalay latex from Talalay Global. And Sleeping organic uses organic certified producers. No Talalay is made in Sri Lanka, Talalay is made in USA and the Netherlands only. I think this was just a misunderstanding from the person on the phone. For more info on the differences please see this earlier post about natural latex and blended latex.

Do you think there is a significant difference in the 2 choices? I like the idea of a natural latex but I am not sure if that is significant or not as each company claims their latex is superior. I am not sure if the flexibility of different latex types is significant or not. I also like the idea of a local company in Charlotte although Charleston is only 3 hours away. My daughter lives in Charleston and I am there often. I could go there and try out their mattresses at their store to get a better idea of the right firmness and actually see the mattresses in person.


It is actually to be accurate and tell the difference and how they feel to you without trying them. Two manufacturers can use the exact same latex layers and then use different fabric and different finishing processes and they feel entirely different. It would be well worth your time to visit your daughter and try the particular build from Sleeping Organic. Each sleeper has different needs but you most likely will find a “feel” difference between the two options which may be the most important factor, more important than return cost/timeframe, price and many other variables in your personal value equation when choosing a mattress because "what" to choose in terms of either a mattress or the balance between comfort/pressure relief and support/alignment that may be suitable for a specific person is always up to the only person who can feel what only they can feel on a mattress and is best left to personal testing and their own experiences or more detailed discussions with the more knowledgeable people at the retailers or manufacturers that sell a mattress you are considering. For more information when trying the mattress locally, please read steps 2 and 3 in this post to help you to determine the best pressure relief and support.

Good luck! … you are on the right track.

Phoenix


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09 Feb 2019 07:44 #3 by johnep

Phoenix, thanks so much for your helpful reply. I have continued to research my options and after reviewing vendors on your website, I contacted Arizona Premium and discussed options with Ken. I am interested in his DIY approach. He has provided me quotes based upon information I provided him, notably my testing of several mattresses locally which are as follows:

Naturepedic EOS Trilux, all with 3 layers of 3” natural Dunlop, 10” profile with zippered cotton cover with wool padding. Layers could be swapped and 90 day exchange.
#1, side 1 S-S-F Good
#1, side 2 S-M-F Good
#2, Side 1 XS-S-F Good
#2, Side 2 M-M-F Too firm

OMI Organicpedic Duo, 3 3” inch layers of Dunlop, 10” profile with zippered cotton cover with wool padding. The sales tag says core is “certified organic natural rubber latex” but also says “Also available in 100% natural rubber latex”. It sounds like the product I tested is a blend. 90 day layer exchang.
S-M-F Good

Posh-Lavish, comfort layers were talalay and base was Dunlop. I was told natural but website says it is a blend. Their cover was not padded like others but it was still nice.
Relax model: 2” tal. M, 6” dun. F Too firm
Restore model: 3” tal. S, 6” dun. F Good

Dilworth Mattress
Blue Heaven Firm – 3.5” HD foam and 6” talalay blended. Too firm
Performance – blended talalay – 3layers, ILD = 1.5” 24, 2” 28 and 6” 36 Good feel
I am not sure if the talalay blend was 60/40 or 40/60. Based on your website, it may have been 30/70.

Overall, there was not much difference in the mattresses I rated good. I suppose at my 150 weight and being a side sleeper, I have a greater range of options than some others. The best may have been the Posh-Lavish 3” tal. S and 6” Dunlop firm, although I want to have at least 3 layers and minimum of 9” plus cover. Also need a non wool cover due to allergies.

Ken suggested either 2 3" dunlop firm and a 3" Talalay soft would be good or a 6" firm dunlop with 2" medium Talalay and 2 or 3" soft Talalay. The 3 3” layers felt good and gives flexibility in getting right firmness, but he said that a thicker core was better for durability. Based upon that, he priced a 6/2/2 all natural Dunlop core and Talalay comfort.

Ken is obviously very knowledgeable about mattresses and I think he has provided sound recommendations. But in the spirit of 2 heads are better than one, I would like to ask you a few questions:
1. What are your thoughts about a 3 3” layer configuration?
2. Are 2” comfort layers thick enough to give the necessary performance? I prefer natural which increases the price and the extra thickness will increase it more. Not sure if the added thickness is meaningful relative to the added cost.
3. Based upon my testing of mattresses, are there other configurations to consider?
4. I am not one of those “all organic” type of people, but it seemed to me that if you are going to use a “natural” product, then it should be all “natural” provided the cost was reasonable. Am I missing something with this mode of thinking?

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11 Feb 2019 16:24 #4 by Phoenix

Hi johnep,

Well done with all the trials, and yes Ken from Arizona Premium Mattress (one of our Trusted Members here ) is very knowledgeable with a long history of making latex mattresses and fine-tuning them to match customer needs and preferences.

Ken is obviously very knowledgeable about mattresses and I think he has provided sound recommendations. But in the spirit of 2 heads are better than one, I would like to ask you a few questions:
1. What are your thoughts about a 3 3” layer configuration?
2. Are 2” comfort layers thick enough to give the necessary performance? I prefer natural which increases the price and the extra thickness will increase it more. Not sure if the added thickness is meaningful relative to the added cost.
3. Based upon my testing of mattresses, are there other configurations to consider?
4. I am not one of those “all organic” type of people, but it seemed to me that if you are going to use a “natural” product, then it should be all “natural” provided the cost was reasonable. Am I missing something with this mode of thinking?


There would be little if any practical difference between two 3" support layers and a single 6" support layer if they were all the same type and blend of latex and the same ILD and were inside a tight fitting cover with 3" inches of latex of the same ILD on top of them. Two 3" layers would respond a little more independently and because the elasticity of the top 3" wouldn't be connected and "pulling back" on the bottom 3" when it compresses and "in theory" it may act a little bit softer but in practical and real-life terms most people wouldn't notice any difference in terms of performance or firmness. If a single 6" core with a 3" comfort layer was a good match for you in terms of PPP then there would be little benefit in having multiple 3" layers that were the equivalent ILD. As long as don’t move to something too soft for the bottom 6” you should be ok.

Two-inch layers, in theory, are definitely enough to give proper performance. Different people have different needs and preferences and one is not better than the other as it's all about which one is the best match for you in terms of PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences).

Regarding other configurations, it would be very tricky for me or anyone else to begin recommending different configurations, it is really about you matching up what is best based on your research, history, and local testing. ... any specific tweaking from TMU cannot be a substitute for this ... we typically make sure that you are heading in the right direction, offer some guidance, and provide any necessary supportive information but generally the best and most accurate recommendations always come from the retailers/manufacturers themselves as they are much more familiar with their materials and own mattress designs than anyone else (including me) and they can use the information you provide them about your body type and sleeping positions, your preferences, your history on different mattresses, and the results of your local testing to make suggestions based on the "averages" of other customers that may be similar to you.

I think your view of not going with “all organic” is quite common and many people tend to place this criterion lower in their personal value equation . It 's also worth mentioning there is no Talalay latex in the world that has organic certification but that does not make it less desirable, and whether in its natural, the blended or synthetic version is one of the best foams used in mattresses. It's important to note that blended is not “bad” by any means and is still a “more natural” product than many others. Most of the blended latex products are 30/70 (sales people just like to say its 70/30) but that is simply not the case with the formulas /manufacturers that have been mentioned. There is also more about organic, natural, green, and "safe" materials in post #2 here and the posts it links to because many people that are looking for "organic" materials are often just looking for materials that they can have confidence are "safe".

Good luck with the fine tunning and I'd be interested to know what your final decision is!

Phoenix


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