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Latex Mattresses too hard, NeoLuxe Mattress Non Toxic?

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12 Feb 2019 20:37 #1 by sb2018
Hello, I am in Australia.
- I am 5'2" and weigh 41kg (weight loss due to giving birth and now breastfeeding).
I would have loved an all natural mattress but the healthy latex mattresses I tried were all too hard for me.
- I am buying a new bed since our 20 year old traditional spring mattress is also now no good - I wake up with sore hips from it.
- I tried zenbeds.com.au/ Their latex mattresses are either 3 layer (soft firm soft) or 5 layers, but I found they were all too hard.
- I then tried the softest Hypnos latex mattress here: www.bedsndreams.com.au/hypnos-bed-mattress-range.html - but it too was too hard (very disappointing).
- I then tried the Neoluxe mattress at the same store: www.neoluxe.com.au/products.html and found it reasonably soft and comfortable. But I'm concerned about the materials.
- Can someone advise on whether the materials are safe/non toxic? Since I have an 8 month old baby who I am breastfeeding who sleeps in our room - I don't want him to breathe in VOCs etc. given the bed uses various foams.
- The layers in the bed are listed as:
1. Silverline Surface Fabric
SilverLine genuine silver fibre yarn to guarantee a natural antibacterial function of freshness and hygiene as well as anti-static properties.
2. Breathable Luxury Quilt Layer
Combination of Hypersoft Foam and Quiltec comfort technology for luxury breathability.
3. Italian Silver form Comfort
Italian made high performance comfort foam infused with genuine silver particles for antimicrobial health.
4. HD Progressive Comfort Technology
Multi-Layer premium HD comfort foams provide a smooth transition in feel offering a perfectly balanced sleep.
5. 12 Zone Sleep System
Unique dual coil system provides targeted support for the ultimate tailored sleeping experience.
6. Complete edge to edge Support
With it’s ultra-durable construction, EdgeBoost robust wall encasement provides a 100% sleeping surface.
- Alternatively, can you suggest a latex mattress model or solution (in Australia) that will be softer than the ones I have tried?
- Please note I originally purchased and later returned the healthiest ikea mattress and placed a pure latex topper on top - but the ensemble turned out to be extremely hard and painful for me so I also sold the topper.
-I would be so grateful for your help. Many Thanks,
S

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12 Feb 2019 21:46 #2 by sweetandsourkiwi
I'm just a fellow consumer, but it would seem the latex in the Zenbed is dunlop. You might get a softer feel from a talalay bed. I also wonder if a stretchier cover is in order...the cover is what makes my latex mattress feel firmer than it is.

My little sister has the Ikea mattress I think you're referencing and I was surprised at how firm the ILDs are for it.

I don't know what options are in Australia, but finding a component bed manufacturer with lighter ild talalay might help!

The health stuff is so hard to say, and some people draw the line much more extremely than others. For me, natural latex and as few other ingredients in the mattress is possible hit the right spot from feeling that 99% of the bed was good to go, but I don't worry about say, a plastic zipper or the fact that all talalay has to have a little filler added to it. It is certainly healthier than all the other furniture in my house!

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15 Feb 2019 03:33 #3 by sb2018
Thanks so much! I'll look for Talalay then...

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19 Feb 2019 17:43 #4 by Sensei
Hi sb2018,

Thanks for the post.

Regarding the neoluxe mattress, they use a high-quality polyurethane foam imported from Italy, and other layers of polyurethane foam as noted by these descriptions:

2. Breathable Luxury Quilt Layer
Combination of Hypersoft Foam and Quiltec comfort technology for luxury breathability.
3. Italian Silver form Comfort
Italian made high-performance comfort foam infused with genuine silver particles for antimicrobial health.
4. HD Progressive Comfort Technology
Multi-Layer premium HD comfort foams provide a smooth transition in feel offering a perfectly balanced sleep.


They do not provide any specifications regarding density and ILD (firmness) on any of their foam descriptions so it's hard to be sure about the long term durability with no transparency. Regarding the toxicity of the foam, they do mention that the "SilverForm" foam is Oeko-Tex and CertiPur certified. For the HD layers, and the quilt foam no certification is mentioned. Of course, this does not mean they are harmful per se, there simply is not enough information on the website to help clarify this. You may want to ask them more specific questions regarding the other layers of foam.

Here is more information regarding polyurethane foam comfort layers in this article. Additionally Oeko-Tex has information about their testing and certification here. There is also more information about certifications here post #2.

Regarding Talalay mattresses in AUS, the one company I know uses Talalay latex is AH Beard. Their Natures Rest product is described at this link. You may be able to use the store locator on the AH Beard site to see what retailers are carrying this brand. Good luck and please ask if you have other questions.

Thanks,
Sensei

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20 Feb 2019 03:53 #5 by sb2018
Dear Sensei,

Thanks so much for your helpful reply!
Can I ask, did you assume all the foams other than the silver form comfort are polyurethane foam?
The reason I would have preferred natural materials is I thought foam was toxic and releases VOCs into your bedroom - does an Oeko-Tex certification mean a foam is somehow less- or non-toxic?

Now, I did find that Nature's Rest Mattress at two places in my city, but I have some concerns.
First what do you think of gel latex? Is that some toxic material I should avoid?
Also, I don't know whether to listen to reviews, but here are some very bad ones for this mattress - that it sinks and sags very soon after purchase: www.productreview.com.au/listings/ah-beard-natures-rest .
Did you recommend this mattress because it sounds softer than the latex mattresses I've tried at Zen Mattresses and Beds N Dreams?

Cheers,

S

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20 Feb 2019 04:04 #6 by sb2018
On that note (reviews), the neoluxe vantage also received terrible reviews and similar ones, lack of support, dipping etc. Admittedly the reviews are few, just a handful in total: www.productreview.com.au/listings/neo-luxe-vantage

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22 Feb 2019 10:59 - 22 Feb 2019 10:59 #7 by Sensei
Hi sb2018,

Thanks for getting back to me. I k ow this is a big deal when you are expecting From a broad perspective, there are really on two types of foam in the mattress business. Polyurethane foam and latex foam. Memory foam, polyfoam, high resiliency foam (HR), high-density (HD) foam are all common industry names of polyurethane foam. For Latex its about 100% natural latex and blended latex, which is a blend natural and synthetic latex. The TMU links are linked bit further in this post.

Generally speaking, almost every mattress description of specifications if the manufacturer brand does not clearly state It's a latex foam, or talk about some coils, or innerspring, then it’s chance it's always going to be some formal polyurethane foam. Also, I just want to be clear, the Silver Foam Comfort foam is also a polyurethane foam. I am certianly not saying these foams are toxic.

Regarding toxicity and one's children, and pregnancy, this is a highly personal choice, so we at TMU don't say something is “toxic” for babies, we focus on the material quality and the transperancy of the compoanies manufacturing and selling the mattresses. Here is a post Phoenix wrote about cosumers and what is safe for children.

Here are the links about latex foam - support cores and comfort layers.

Polyurethane foam - Support cores and comfort layers. ou can see and CertiPur on their website. Frist page tells you this:

CertiPUR-US certified foams are:
✓ Made without ozone depleters
✓ Made without PBDEs, TDCPP or TCEP (”Tris”) flame retardants
✓ Made without mercury, lead, and other heavy metals
✓ Made without formaldehyde
✓ Made without phthalates regulated by the Consumer Product Safety Commission
✓ Low VOC (Volatile Organic Compound) emissions for indoor air quality (less than 0.5 parts per million)


Here is the Oeko-Tex site

Regarding AH Beard, I am aware they purchased Talalay in the past and still today and one of our consumer members and expert members mentioned Talalay. I have no information how they compare to Zenbed or Hypnos.

Review sites are a whole other story!! I don't trust many mattress review sites, and same about negative reviews...I like this NYTimes article about negative reviews.

I know this sounds like a ton more information, but I hope we can help make this decision for your family and especially the new baby. Congrats!!! Good luck and message back if you have other questions.

Thanks,
Sensei

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Last edit: 22 Feb 2019 10:59 by Sensei.

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23 Feb 2019 00:05 - 23 Feb 2019 00:26 #8 by sb2018
Thanks so much Sensei for your thoughtful and detailed response. CertiPUR sounds fantastic.

The AH Beard Nature's Rest Mattress is described thus:
- Gel-infused Talalay latex conforms to body shape to guarantee maximum spinal support and bodily comfort
- Two layers of performa-foam support offer extra cushioning for blissfully soft plush feel, while fabric stretch knit quilt provides breathability
- Environmentally-friendly and sustainable
Are these non-toxic do you think? I have no idea what Gel Talalay means or performa-foam (I googled the latter and found nothing)

I also wrote to Neoluxe/vantage to ask about the 2 unknown foam layers but they never wrote back to me, so I'm not sure about that mattress.

Latex Mattresses Australia phoned me saying they have a mattress option that is slightly softer because it has a layer of polyester padding on top of the soft latex layer, so I am planning to try that out - although I'm doubtful something so insignificant could make much difference in softness.

Thanks Again!
Last edit: 23 Feb 2019 00:26 by sb2018.

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27 Feb 2019 14:12 #9 by Sensei
Hi sb2018,

Your welcome, and thank you for your kind response. Let me try to answer some of these questions. The Talalay latex that is "gel infused" is made by Talalay Global in Connecticut, USA. It is not toxic by any means and is a blended latex, which is a synthetic latex (SBR) and natural latex. The gel that is "infused" is more a marketing story, it kind of has cooling benefits but the Talalay latex remains the same as a high-quality comfort layer non-toxic, oeko tex certified. This post talks about the different kinds of gel in foam, to give you some background on gel.

As far as the "Two layers of performa-foam" these are most likely polyurethane foam. I do not know any details on these, but I do know that AH Beards reputation around the world is stellar, and I am very confident they are using high quality certified non-toxic products. But of course, I do not have the exact facts from there factory, so one would have to ask them.

Good luck with the Latex Mattress Australia, and don't hesitate to ask if you have any other questions. Thank you so much for posting your questions.

Thanks,
Sensei

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28 Feb 2019 23:46 - 01 Mar 2019 01:13 #10 by sb2018
Dear Sensei,
I went to Domaine who stock AH Beard to try out the Nature's Comfort mattress www.domayne.com.au/nature-s-rest-vitality-mattress-plush.html but it turns out they have discontinued the mattress.

I then tried the AH Beard made King Koil "Buckingham" mattress www.domayne.com.au/king-koil-royal-luxur...-mattress-queen.html made with Talalay latex, springs and wool on top - it seemed pretty good in terms of softness and I love the materials. But the bed is $5400 in Queen size which seems over the top expensive (especially if the bed doesn't work out - they only allow exchanges and since this bed is on sale(!) all the King Koil range would cost double if I tried to exchange the bed later).

I then tried the King Koil "Amalfi" mattress www.domayne.com.au/king-koil-amalfi-plush-king-mattress.html which was the most comfortable in terms of softness (very pillowy). But I want to ask you about the toxicity of the materials: it has 2 thin layers of latex above and below and in between the latex 2 layers of memory foam - plus wool on top.

What do you think of the memory foam/foam layers? Would they have bad VOC emissions? The guy in the store said even the Buckingham has foam - on the sides of the mattress, and that ALL their mattresses had the same "Joyce" foam. What do you think?

Domaine is exactly the big type of chain bed store this site warns you about. Also the sales guy who apparently used to work for AH Beard and made beds for them claims that the "Sale" of the King Koil beds ends Monday(!)

Cheers,
Last edit: 01 Mar 2019 01:13 by sb2018.

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