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04 Jun 2019 13:38 - 04 Jun 2019 13:38 #11 by Phoenix
Hi doctorx0079,

Congratulations on your new Sleep On Latex mattress:lol: !

As you are aware they are one of the trusted members of our site which means that I think highly of them and that I believe that they compete well with the best in the industry in terms of their quality, value, service, knowledge, and transparency.

Thank you for your update and the good news on your shoulder and lower back improvements ... great to hear this. Consumer feedback and progress are very helpful to others experiencing similar issues... You make a very good point, that back and shoulder aches will take some time to get better... it's not always "night and day" after just one night's sleep... it takes a while for the body to unlearn bad habits which oftentimes have to do with muscle tensions and body trying to compensate for inappropriate posture or alignment.

Thanks again hope everything continues to work out well.

Phoenix

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05 Jun 2019 20:20 #12 by Light Sleeper
Hello, I found this website in my research journey for a great mattress. I have already found a lot of good info on this site that has helped to answer many of my questions.
Our current mattress is a hybrid with coils as the base with a 2 inch high density foam (don't know what kind - probably poly foam) on the top. From day one it has been way to firm for us. We have had it for 12 years and it's still too firm. For the first few years, we tried a 2 inch memory foam topper to make it softer, but that didn't work. For the past 10 years we've used a 3 inch memory foam topper, but it's still too firm (I think this topper is fairly dense which could be part of the problem). We both keep having to change positions all night long because we wake up uncomfortable. My husband especially has trouble with waking up with sore shoulders. According to the information I've found out here and on other sites, it sounds like my hubby and I are too light weight for a firm mattress - wish we would have known that 12 years ago before we bought our current mattress. Sheesh!
My husband and I are both tall and thin. He is about 140 pounds and I am about 128 pounds. Both of us are side and back sleepers.
From what I have learned on this research journey, I was appalled at what I found out about the chemicals that are used to make mattresses and furniture. Once I realized that most of what is sold out there isn't good for us, I decided that I wanted something more healthy. I have narrowed my search down to a latex mattress. We live in Alberta, so I have been looking for a latex mattress that is made in Canada and reasonably priced. In my search, I happened upon the website for Memory Foam Canada and then found out that they are one of your trusted members. We have been considering the 8 or 10 inch Maoli mattress that is sold by MFC. I have emailed them with a few questions and they have responded very quickly. However, I am still not sure what to do. Because we are not familiar with how Dunlop latex feels, I'm concerned about the 8 inch not being soft enough and about the 10 inch being too soft. The 8 inch Maoli is made up of a 6 inch base (35 ILD) with a 2 inch (20 ILD) on top. The 10 inch Maoli mattress has these plus an additional 2 inch (20 ILD) added to the top.
We don't want to spend another 12 years tossing and turning in bed. Can anyone help us to know what will be best for us? Thanks!

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05 Jun 2019 20:54 #13 by Light Sleeper
Hi again.
I forgot to mention that we have some concern with buying from MFC (even though they are thought highly of by The Mattress Underground) in that we are not able to 'test' their mattresses because they are nowhere near us. Does anyone know if there is a store in the Calgary are sells something similar to the Maoli? Also, MFC does not offer a sleep trial period and they do not allow a mattress to be returned if it doesn't work for us. It would be nice if we could have some assurance that the product we are thinking of purchasing would suit our needs. :)

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07 Jun 2019 05:22 #14 by Beee
Hi light sleeper! Have you gone to Sleep Boutique or The mattress and sleep company (tmasc)? If you are just deciding on if latex is the right feel for you, then you can start there as they should have some floor models. The Obasan mattreses are dunlop latex.

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07 Jun 2019 08:33 #15 by Light Sleeper
Hi Beee,

Thanks for replying and the info. I will check them out. It would probably give me a better understanding about how latex feels if I could lay on a few dunlop latex mattresses.

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07 Jun 2019 08:54 #16 by Beee
Hi Light sleeper, we are in the same boat and am currently looking into latex mattresses too so we will also be stopping by those stores in the near future to try out more mattresses.

So far we've seen a talalay latex mattress, the Swiss dream bed (by CBHwoodfurniture - one of the trusted members here) from one of their customers in Calgary. I had contacted Hendrik through their website to set up a meeting. I like it but my husband isn't quite sold on latex yet so we will look at a few others before we make a decision. Good luck on your search!

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09 Jun 2019 10:07 #17 by Sensei
Hi Light Sleeper,

Welcome to the forum :). Thank you @Beee for your very helpful suggestions. Hopefully, I can provide some additional help. I am glad you have received good replies from MFC and noted on your concerns with their return process.

The only way to know for certain whether any specific mattress will be a suitable choice that provides you with both the right comfort/pressure relief and support/alignment will be based on your own careful testing or your own personal experience when sleeping. Different people can have very different needs and preferences in a mattress in terms of comfort, firmness, and PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and your own Personal preferences).

While I can certainly help with "how" to choose ... It's not possible to make specific suggestions or recommendations for either a mattress, manufacturers/retailers, or combinations of materials or components because the first "rule" of mattress shopping is to always remember that you are the only one that can feel what you feel on a mattress.

Because we are not familiar with how Dunlop latex feels, I'm concerned about the 8 inch not being soft enough and about the 10 inch being too soft. The 8-inch Maoli is made up of a 6 inch base (35 ILD) with a 2 inch (20 ILD) on top. The 10-inch Maoli mattress has these plus an additional 2 inch (20 ILD) added to the top.


This is a very logical question, but from my experience with latex mattresses, the added 2" of 20ILD Dunlop is a reasonable adjustment to soften the mattress from the 8" version. This added 2" does not cause a dramatic shift in firmness. It is appropriate for MFC to do this, as well as good mattress merchandising practice.

I would explain the difference like this....Imagine you are on an 8" bed, lying on your sides...and trying to feel pressure on your shoulders and hips...and you are thinking "this might be right"...then you try the 10" and its just a bit softer and you are like "yes this is perfect".....It's not dramatic or completely different, it a proper move to the next level of softness.

Of course, every consumer is different, and for some individuals, maybe it really is a dramatic difference. But after reading about your low BMI data, as well as sleeping on firm polyfoam mattresses, I do not think the 10' version will end up being "too soft" and the 8" "too firm". I am not commenting on what is the right decision for you, only you guys can decide that.

Please let us know if you have any more questions, and good luck with the process, you are clearly in such a better place with knowledge and research compared to 12 years ago :).

Thanks
Sensei

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09 Jun 2019 11:17 #18 by gardenguy
Sorry to change the subject here, but there is no way to start a new thread.

I now have the perfect beds in the house for myself, Arizona Premium's Combizone-coil with latex on top ( an awesome feeling bed) and a DIY I made with HR foam base, with latex and memory foam in comfort layers for the office. I also got the latex from Arizona premium and cannot recommend them enough. They worked with me, and were patient until I found what worked for me. So the beds are set and hopefully I will get many good years out of them.

The issue for now has been finding a pillow which does not bunch up and lose support over the course of the night. So far I have ruled out poly fill, shredded memory foam, shredded latex. I tried talalay form pillows(not the shredded), they are making them extremely soft now ( heard that wasn't always the case in the past), they didn't have the support I wanted. I think they must be close to 10 ild.

My best bet is trying to find a retailer here that would be willing to send me a piece of scrap 100% natural talalay in 3 inch, 20-24 ild that I could use for a DIY pillow. The size of 16 by 24 is adequate. I would be willing to pay whatever you need for shipping and charge. My only other option is buying a 3 inch topper in the desired ILD, but paying 200 for a twin size will make way more pillows than I need.

James

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09 Jun 2019 12:43 #19 by Light Sleeper
Hi Sensei,

Thanks for you input, it was very helpful!

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10 Jun 2019 13:13 #20 by Sensei
Hey gardenguy,

Welcome back and thanks for the post!

Tremendous shout-out to Ken and Arizona Premium, I am so glad you have found the "perfect" mattresses. So nice to hear.

Just a quick comment about the Talalay latex pillows. Talalay Global has been making plush/medium/firm forever...at least the past 18 years. And also they really have always used the exact same weight "ranges" since they rebuilt their factory in 2001. What has changed is many retailers are choosing the sell plush and firm to have two distinct firmnesses in one's product portfolio. So in the marketplace more of the "softer" versions are showing up. Of course, some people still end up buying a medium pillow and if it's at the low end of the weight range...it will feel softer than the one they "bought many years ago".

Latex pillows are never regularly tested for ILD, only weight. That said, many years ago, I was able to see some ILd data on pillows that the Talalay global lab put together, and it is really interesting. The "firm" pillow, a pretty firm heavy pillow would be close to 9ild, the medium may be around 5-6 and soft less than that. I know, hard to believe.

Do you know what density Talalay pillow you tried? Where did you buy it? Have you asked Ken about the "scrap" DIY pillow? I may be able to find someone else, have to check a few things, but let me know on the pillows, you may want to try a bit firmer version.

Thanks,
Sensei

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