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05 Jul 2019 13:23 #1 by Sohio
We slept on a Costco purchased one sided mattress/box spring for 15 years. By the time we moved and threw away the set, the box spring had metal ripping through the bottom and the mattress looked like the waves of the sea. We are now in temporary housing before closing on a new house and are currently on a Queen sleep number bed. There is too much motion when either of us gets up or rolls over and it bothers the other person. We need a bed/mattress for the new house (in two weeks) because we have no bed...not even an old one. We have moved from Chicago to the Cincinnati/Dayton area.

We are middle aged. My husband is 5’10, about 190lb, sleeps on his side mostly but sometimes stomach. He has neck and back issues from his years over a computer. I am obese at 360lbs, 5’8” and now sleep on my back but was a side sleeper before health problems. I have sleep apnea, arthritis in my neck, back, and knees, with nerve impingement in these areas as well as elbows and wrists.

When we went shopping, we liked Temperpedic more than Beautyrest. We both like firmer (not super firm)beds but my husband likes his softer than I do. We don’t like being ‘swallowed’ by our beds.

We want to get a split king adjustable base and two xl twin mattresses. We don’t need or want a lot of bells and whistles like massage or under lights, but we need bases and motors that have large weight capacities.

We have no experience with anything other than traditional beds and have no idea where to shop for mattresses to use on an adjustable base.

Are there any experts to help us in our area? Are there other group members (non-professionals, but have become educated through experience with this group) that live in our area that could help steer us toward reputable & knowledgeable dealers/manufacturers?

Is it a bad idea to order a mattress online? It seems so, but many of the latex (seems preferred on this and other sites) are far away.
I’m afraid I need my ‘hand held’ as I venture into the scary world of mattresses.

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06 Jul 2019 15:36 #2 by Phoenix
Hi Sohio,

Welcome to the Mattress Underground forum :). It seems you came to the right place ... our Mattress experts are happy to share their wealth of knowledge and “hold your hand as you venture into the scary world of mattresses”

It looks like you are in a hurry to get a mattress fast ... this is not a simple process by any means, which is why it is so critical for all of us, as we age, that we do first a bit of research to help narrow down a few products that best match us in terms of needs and preferences.

Your description of what you like to sleep on when you tried the Tempurpedic is good and helpful, but it is critical that you find the bed with the right specifications, with your BMI and medical issues, doing this really fast could be creating more problems than if you take your time to understand your specific needs as they relate to your particular condition.

We are middle aged. My husband is 5’10, about 190lb, sleeps on his side mostly but sometimes stomach. He has neck and back issues from his years over a computer. I am obese at 360lbs, 5’8” and now sleep on my back but was a side sleeper before health problems. I have sleep apnea, arthritis in my neck, back, and knees, with nerve impingement in these areas as well as elbows and wrists.


A high BMI presents special challenges and generally requires firmer materials (in the support layers especially). There are also a number of forum posts and threads about mattresses and higher weights and a forum title search on heavy Some examples include:
As a brief synopsis, higher BMI ranges will need more durable materials and components in a mattress and in a BMI range of 30 or higher I would include any 1.8 lb polyfoam or 4 lb memory foam as a "lower quality/density" material (relative to a higher BMI only) and minimize their use to a total of "about an inch or so or less" in the mattress. For polyurethane foam, if your mattress is one-sided then I would look for 2.0 lb per cubic foot density or higher. If the mattress is two sided then I would use a minimum density of 1.8 lbs per cubic foot or higher. For memory foam (or gel memory foam), if your mattress is one-sided then I would make sure that any memory foam is at least 5 lb per cubic foot. If the mattress is two sided then I would use a minimum density of 4 lbs per cubic foot.

Many of our Mattress Expert Members of the site specialize in mattresses for heavyweight people and also do side by side split kings that seems to be suitable for you. At a quick glance, you can reach out to Arizona Premium Mattress
SleeepEZ but you may also wish to comb through our Mattress Trusted Members here


All of the retailers will have mattresses that can be used on adjustable split king foundations, this is very common. I know that you posted with Richmond Bedding, but I would highly recommend you check more of the Trusted Members , look at their product portfolios and then call and ask them questions. I would certainly suggest to you to rely on the advice of the manufacturer themselves as they are much more familiar with their own mattress designs and materials than anyone else and they can use the information you provide them about your body type and sleeping positions, your preferences, your history on different mattresses, and the results of your local testing to make suggestions based on the "averages" of other customers that may be similar to you. The more accurate and detailed the information you provide them the better you will help them to help you make the best possible choices out of the options they have available. Of course the options you have available with each retailer or manufacturer (or with a particular mattress) and your ability to exchange layers or the mattress itself or use other forms of fine-tuning after your purchase or the return policy may also be an important part of your personal value equation or to offset the risk that can go with any online purchase.

Be sure to read the mattress durability guidelines to make sure the specifications will give you the support you need. It would be best if you could read and try to follow the Mattress Shopping Tutorial and take the time needed, but I know you are pressed for time.

Is it a bad idea to order a mattress online? It seems so, but many of the latex (seems preferred on this and other sites) are far away.


Mattress buying online is the same as buying from a retailer... it can be a good idea and a great experience when dealing with retailers and manufacturers that are Knowledgeable and experienced ... but it can also be "a bad idea" if dealing with salespeople who are focusing on marketing stories rather than what is in the mattress and how well a mattress is matching any individual sleeper. it truly comes down to the companies/brands you deal with. The online mattress purchasing is very common these days, with over 20% of mattresses bought online. It is becoming very normal.

I hope this sets you on a productive mattress finding path.
Phoenix

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08 Aug 2019 12:59 #3 by jh101992
Hi There,

I posted in a different topic but wanted to get some feedback on these two MFC mattresses. They are within my budget as well as a trusted member of the site so I wanted to look into getting more information on them. They are also Canadian which is a plus from me as this is where I live.

I am 5'10 170 lbs mainly stomach but also side sleeper. I have had the same spring mattress for a number of years that is beginning to sag. I would say because of the springs and being a stomach sleeper I would most likely prefer something on the stiffer side.

It seems like the HD or HR mattress with the firm option would be the best fit but I wanted to understand the difference in these two mattresses as well as if an additional topper may be required to be purchased as they only appear to be 6 inches thick.

Thanks

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20 Aug 2019 09:37 #4 by rp0475
I have decided I am going to buy a new mattress online, as locally my options are 1) affordable mattresses of poor construction (I'm looking at you, S-brands), or very, very expensive organic latex mattresses. I'm considering several different latex hybrids at this point, and have already spent a great deal of time on this forum and talked to a few manufacturers.

I have had the opportunity to test a couple latex-spring hybrids (Savvy Rest, Berkeley Ergo) at my local store, but am not sure I'm sold yet on the latex-spring construction. Another option I see a lot online but have NOT been able to try myself, is a foam core with a latex comfort layer (such as the Dreamfoam Aspen or Willow). Are there are brands of mattresses with this type of construction that I would be likely to find locally? I understand it wouldn't be a perfect comparison to what is available online, but it would still give me an idea of whether or not I like the foam/latex construction as opposed to spring/latex.

My mattress store options for actually getting to go lay on something just to get a feel for different construction types, are the high end organic stores that only sell latex/latex-spring hybrid, or your usual big box stores like Mattress Firm, Macy's, etc.

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23 Aug 2019 11:51 #5 by Phoenix
Hi rp0475,

­­­Thanks for the message and the update. I understand your issue with the S-brands and the higher-priced organic latex mattresses in your local area. It’s hard to say what some of the national brands would have on their floors locally. When I look at the mattress firm website obviously they can offer a greater variety of mattresses online than they do at each store location.

Mattress Firm, more than Macy’s, would mot likely be a better location to find a foam core with a latex comfort layer. That said, it is still difficult to find a foam mattress, with a substantial latex comfort layer at any national retail store. These companies tend to use the “essence of latex” and use maybe 1” of latex.

I would try Mattress Firm and tell them you want to try Memory Foam mattresses, then ask them if they have any memory foam with latex on top? If not latex on top then ask them if they have these with a faster recovery foam on top. Tell them you don't want the "slow recovery" but you do want to try the all-foam mattresses. This may help you get "closer" to a comparison of the two, as they really are different feeling mattresses.

On top of my head, you can also try to find something similar to (11") The GhostBed Mattress ~ which is very good quality, comes close to your what you are looking and is priced very well. There are many others as well and you may want to check the filtered search through our mattress trusted members here for some more possible combos.

BTW ...well done with research and working the comparisons at your local retailers.

I look forward to hearing what you found and how it feels for you.
Phoenix

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23 Aug 2019 14:00 #6 by stmslpr
Hi Phoenix, would just like your opinion on very firm beds. I had purchased a talalay latex bed recently and through a variety of different experimentation and trials i have a feeling that for whatever reason the latex seems to eventually succumb more and more (through the night) to the density of my torso and butt (and i think i sink a bit more than i'd like), yet is firm enough to keep my head and legs etc up thus really doing a number on, not only my low back but mid back too.

I have recently started to sleep directly on the carpeted floor and while not the most comfortable, my back is noticeably less stiff and sore. I am exchanging the 6" firm talalay core with a pocket spring coil system (European honeycomb nested pocket coils - steel, wrapped in polypropylene; a high performance, durable, breathable, moisture-wicking, non-toxic fabric Coil Counts: 1,484 Queen Size 1,908 King Size) in it's place and hope it feels better (old spring mattresses i have, while not as comfy, don't seem to "succumb" to my body as much).

However, I have some "firm" mattresses lined up in case the coil exchange experiment doesn't work out. Saatva (Firm or luxury firm), Winkbed, dreamcloud, avacado, purple etc. Some are innerspring, some are foam or hybrids. There's even one i'm eyeing called The "Hard Bed". Not sure if you've heard of it. Just wondering if you have an opinion on those beds (especially Saatva, Winkbed and Dreamcloud).

I've spent a fair chunk of change so far but chalking it up to a learning experience. But i do hope to get it "right" without to much more damage to the bank account. :) I'm not a big guy (5'9", 165-170lbs) so i didn't assume i'd need a very firm and unyielding mattress but it is looking like it's kind of trending that way. I used to mainly sleep on my stomach and still prefer to but and trying to do more side and back sleeping as per my physio's request. i would say i'll eventually become a combo sleeper with go to still being stomach.

thanks!

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26 Aug 2019 17:59 #7 by Mima18
Hi! I am new to the latex mattress world. My husband and I narrowed our search to two beds, both 3" top layer of latex (cushion firm) and an individual pocketed coil system. This is the EOS classic by Naturepedic and then there is a similar one called SMARTHOUSE, designed by an HGTV couple.
Two Questions: 1. What is the difference? 2. There is a small reliable company called Organic Mattress that sells both, but we were concerned that if we decide on the Naturepedic one, should we purchase it directly from Naturepedic for the warranty etc? The small store says there are 20 year guarantees on both.

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26 Aug 2019 18:55 - 27 Aug 2019 06:19 #8 by Sweet Dreams
@Mima18 - I have no direct experience of either mattress, but as far as the warranty of Naturepedic it is clearly posted here on their website. It states: "Who and what does this Warranty cover? This Warranty is not transferable and only covers you if you are the original purchasing consumer and owner of the EOS (“Product”) and purchased it directly from Naturepedic or from an authorized dealer." Looking over the retailers on the Naturepedic site you should verify that yours is listed as an authorized dealer.
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26 Aug 2019 19:03 #9 by Phoenix
Hi stmslpr,

Sorry to hear that the Talalay latex bed is not working out for you. The coil bed descriptions sound great, do you recall the brand name? What are the comfort layers for this coil mattress? It really makes a great difference when discussing any of these mattresses that we are able to get as much information about the specifications as possible, then it is much better to offer any guidance.

As far as other brands go, while I can certainly help with "how" to choose ... It's not possible to make specific suggestions or recommendations for either a mattress, manufacturers/retailers, or combinations of materials or components because the first "rule" of mattress shopping is to always remember that you are the only one that can feel what you feel on a mattress and there are too many unknowns, variables, and personal preferences involved that are unique to each person to use a formula or for anyone to be able to predict or make a specific suggestion or recommendation about which mattress or combination of materials and components or which type of mattress would be the best "match" for you in terms of "comfort", firmness, or PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and your own personal preferences).

That said, there are some threads on the mattresses you mentioned that you might find helpful here:

Avocado Mattress consumer experiences and questions thread
Winkbeds mattress consumer experiences and questions
Saatva mattresses consumer experiences and questions
Dreamcloud mattress search

Let us know if you have more questions.
Phoenix

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27 Aug 2019 05:04 #10 by Mima18
Thank you, Sweet Dreams. Organic Mattress did come up on the list. The bed was less expensive and the delivery options were better. I AM HOPING That someone who reads this has experience with these beds...I have not heard anything yet.

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