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Naturepedic Verse Mattress - only for kids? stays cool? breathable?

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19 Jun 2020 19:48 #1 by lp130
Hello!

I am hoping that I can get some insight on the Naturepedic Verse Mattress .

I am interested in purchasing it for myself and my husband. A representative at a local sleep store advised me that it would be the right option for me. However, when I visit the Naturepedic website, I notice that this is classified as a "kids" mattress. Yet, it also comes in Queen size which is surely not for "kids". What would be the drawback of adults using this mattress?

It seems almost identical to the Naturepedic Chorus Mattress , which has an extra 1.5" layer of microcoils in the comfort layer.

I am also unsure about PLA as a material. I don't know much about it, nor can I find much information on the internet about its breathability. How would it rank in relation to natural latex, wool, cotton, etc.?

As for my sleep preferences, I am a very hot side sleeper who likes a firm surface (no sinking) and very breathable material. My husband and I both have a low BMI (around 20).

For contrast, the other mattresses I am considering at the moment are an all-wool mattress ( Shepherd's Dream ) or a wool+cotton shikibuton ( Soaring Heart ).

I have read through all the articles on this website and searched through the forums, but I haven't found any specific information about these Naturepedic products, especially not in relation to a hot side sleeper.

Thank you so much for any advice or direction you can provide!

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21 Jun 2020 11:40 #2 by Marshmallowforme
We recently bought the Naturepedic EOS Pillowtop. I looked carefully at the Chorus as it seemed comfortable in the store. But the sales person said alot of people thought so but then found it too firm when they got it home. I suspect it had been broken in and softened in the store. I don't think we looked at the Verse.

Naturepedic has PLA pillows which should allow you to look at that material. It is a soft, fairly easily flattened padding material. I ended up getting the kapok pillow instead and use it as a fairly firm bed pillow.

Another one you might want to look at is the Pure Echo by My Green Mattress.
www.mygreenmattress.com/product/pure-echo/
"The Pure Echo is our latex-free mattress, making it the best choice for anyone with a concern about latex allergies. The main comfort layer in the Pure Echo is 100% GOTS Certified organic cotton that is conforming and pressure-relieving. This mattress is perfect for children and teens, or for adults who prefer a firm feel. The Pure Echo is handcrafted with organic and hypoallergenic materials for the deep, healthy sleep you deserve at a price that won’t keep you up at night."

I bought this for my mom who loves a firm mattress and she really likes it. Says she sleeps very well on it. She is in assisted living so if it she were sinking in, she would have problems with it.

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21 Jun 2020 18:43 #3 by lp130
@Marshmallowforme Thank you so much for the recommendation!

I had not heard of The Green Mattress, but I'm going to look into them now and also inquire about the layers of the mattress (as I don't see this mentioned on the listing).

How do you like your Naturepedic EOS Pillowtop?

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21 Jun 2020 21:08 #4 by Marshmallowforme
There is a materials tab on the My Green Mattress page that I didn't see right away but it may help. However you should definitely talk to them if you have questions.

www.mygreenmattress.com/product/pure-ech...562712-d238ed95-742c
Soft, GOTS certified organic cotton quilted cover with GOTS certified organic wool sewn in underneath.
The wool in our quilted cover acts as a natural flame barrier allowing our mattresses to pass flame testing required by law without the use of dangerous chemical flame retardants.
Leggett & Platt Caliber-Edge pocketed coil spring system
682 coils; 8-inch tall springs; 13 3/4 gauge coils throughout the mattress surface
Edge Support – tighter coils along the edges of the mattress provide a firmer seating edge. With proper support across the entire mattress you can sleep from edge to edge and top to bottom. Steel springs will last up to 4 times longer than a foam support edge
Reduces motion transfer – Each fabric encased coil moves independently to allow deep sleep even when your partner moves.
Recyclable – Metal springs can be recycled. Some states including California have implemented mattress recycling programs that we are proud to participate in.
Comfortable – Individual coils react to body shape and weight to keep pressure off your bones and joints.
Heavyweight organic cotton batting.
Needle-punched organic cotton insulator pads.
Mattress may be placed on the floor, on a traditional foundation, platform bed (with slats under 3.5 inches apart) or adjustable bed base.
Button-tufted design secures layers together without use of adhesives.
Firmness level: firm.

The Naturepedic EOS pillowtop is an Ok mattress.
What I like about it:
Top quality materials. No mystery foam. No odor. Very customizable should we want to change something in the future. Company was easy to work with.
What I don't like about it:
TwinXL is short. 77" or 78". If I'd known that twinXLs weren't a full 80" I would have thought harder about getting two fullXL or queen adjustable beds. But we don't really have the room for that in the bedroom. And by the time we found out about the twinXLs being so short we had bought the bases, new sheets, mattress pads, mattress encasement, customized the leg height of the bases etc. so switching to queen or fullXL (which I wasn't sure I could get sheets for) seemed too hard.

My husband loves his. Mine is OK. I kind of liked the Joybed better but it is a much less quality bed. You really felt the springs at first but after I adjusted to it I was more comfortable. However they did not put any materials list on the two we had, even though I asked them to make sure the second one complied with federal law that says the materials must be listed. And both of them were short. The first one had no odor. The second one had an odor that persisted until we had it hauled away but the donation charity. I don't like mystery materials in my mattress. They offered to send a third but my husband was fed up. It is not easy unpacking and setting these things up. Plus when they keep replacing them you have to store the unused old ones until you can get a charity to come pick it up. He figured they would just send another unlabeled one that was too short so he wanted to move on.

The MyGreenMattress Natural Escape crippled me. As in took my body out of functioning for at least a month. I'm not sure of the time frame now as I have tried to block it from my memory. I think it was the extra firm zoned coils under my hips. I only spend one night on it and I was in such agony I rolled over to my husband's side and made him move to mine in the middle of the night. He hated that mattress also even after putting two additional 2" latex toppers on it. So 4" extra of latex.

But as I said we bought the Pure Echo for my mom and she loves it. My uncle tried it too and is going to buy himself one. My girlfriend bought the Kiwi and put her own latex topper on it and loves that one also. So for My Green Mattress stick with any of the ones that don't have zoning is my recommendation.

For us we bought only one twinXL at a time so we could see if we liked it. Once we both decided on a Naturepedic Pillowtop we then bought the second one. This was supposed to reduce the amount of unpacking, setting up and donating that we had to do while we tried the mattresses out. But it didn't for Joybed and Naturepedic because they both send us twin mattress sizes that were labeled as twinXLs.

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21 Jun 2020 21:10 #5 by Marshmallowforme
Note: In the above msg there is a very light colored dashed line that is supposed to separate the two sections between Pure Echo info and my answering your question. It didn't show up right in the post and doesn't separate them at all so it is confusing.

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22 Jun 2020 16:18 #6 by Sensei
Hey lp130,

Welcome to The Mattress Underground :) ! Thanks for your question.

I am hoping that I can get some insight on the Naturepedic Verse Mattress . I am interested in purchasing it for myself and my husband. A representative at a local sleep store advised me that it would be the right option for me. However, when I visit the Naturepedic website, I notice that this is classified as a "kids" mattress. Yet, it also comes in Queen size which is surely not for "kids". What would be the drawback of adults using this mattress?


These are the component specs for the Verse Organic mattress:
Quilt: organic cotton fabric, organic wool batting, PLA comfort layer
1" organic cotton comfort layer
7" encased coils with edge support
Organic cotton batting
Encasement: organic cotton fabric + organic cotton fil

While the Verse Organic is available in a queen size, its designed to support the weight of a child. With one or two adults using this mattress over time, the greater weight of adult bodies would degrade the feel of the mattress, making it lose its feeling of comfort and support more quickly, shortening its useful life. A live chat with one of Naturepedics' CSA's confirmed that "For longevity we suggest it be used for children 12 and under".

It seems almost identical to the Naturepedic Chorus Mattress , which has an extra 1.5" layer of microcoils in the comfort layer.


Here are the component specs for the Chorus mattress:
Quilt: organic cotton fabric, organic wool batting, PLA comfort layer
1.5" microcoil comfort layer
Organic cotton batting
8" encased coils with edge support
Organic cotton batting
Encasement: organic cotton fabric + organic cotton fil

Indeed the builds are similar; however with the additional 1.5" microcoil comfort layer and 8" coil support layer, the Chorus is better suited for supporting the additional weight of an adult(s).

I am also unsure about PLA as a material. I don't know much about it, nor can I find much information on the internet about its breathability. How would it rank in relation to natural latex, wool, cotton, etc.?


From Naturepedic's website regarding their use of PLA in components : "PLA is a high-performance material made from non-GMO sugarcane that adds resiliency and improved moisture wicking. PLA is plant-based and is used in a variety of industries, including food packaging and medical supplies and does not contain or off-gas harmful chemicals." As I do not have a relationship with Naturepedic, my only comment here is that their choice of this material seems to support their "natural" story. "PLA material" otherwise known as Polylactic Acid, is "a polymer made from renewable resources. Contrary to other thermoplastics which are petroleum-based, some of the raw materials used for PLA's production include corn starch, tapioca roots, or sugarcane.", info source cited is all3dp.com . I do not have personal experience with PLA material; however, my guess would be that with PLA as one of three components in the quilting, the other two being natural organic cotton and wool, that the three combined would offer a natural, breathable comfort layer.

For contrast, the other mattresses I am considering at the moment are an all-wool mattress ( Shepherd's Dream ) or a wool+cotton shikibuton ( Soaring Heart ).


As you may know, Shepherd's Dream is part of TMU's Trusted Member program , I think very highly of them as a source of high-quality components, good value and responsive customer support. If you have specific questions regarding their all-wool mattresses, you can contact them directly through their site or ask them a question directly on the TMU General Mattress Questions forum (where your post is now), our support team can help connect you as well.

I am not familiar with Soaring Heart, so I visited their site and did some searching in FAQs, returns, etc. They too have a all-natural marketing story, which is in line with what you are researching. Question for you: what type mattress are you currently sleeping on and what are some things that you like about it? Between these 4 mattresses (well, really three excluding the Verse children's mattress), there is a big difference in the "feel" of natural materials over pocketed coils vs. an all-wool mattress. Do you have safe access to testing these type mattresses on site before making a purchase?

One final thought, lp130 regarding consumer contributions and the tone I am seeing here on this thread regarding OP's personal experience and opinions: the TMU is a lightly moderated forum where consumer subscribers have the unique ability to ask questions directly to mattress industry experts known as "TMU Trusted Members". These manufacturers/ retailers are here by invitation only and are some of the best, most reputable component experts in the industry, you can read more here of what criteria must be met to become part of this group. While this is not a review site (we do not accept any product or $$$ for our commentary), this is a place where consumers can share their personal experiences on mattresses, materials, service support and knowledge in a polite, risk-free environment. My point here is to remember the fundamentals of Phoenix's teachings: only you can "feel" what you feel in terms of comfort and support of a mattress, based on your personal preferences/ PPP and that no two individuals' experience will be exactly the same. For more thoughts on understanding a mattress's comfort and support, you may enjoy Phoenix's article "The Basic Functions of a Mattress" for a quick review. Looking forward to hearing more about your research… ;)

Thanks,
Sensei

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22 Jun 2020 19:53 #7 by lp130
Hi @Sensei!

Thank you so much for taking the time to look into these options for me and provide me with so much valuable information.

I appreciate the difference between the Verse and Chorus now. Strangely, a local mattress shop suggested the Verse to me as an option.

To answer your questions, we currently sleep on a thin cotton shikibuton on the floor. It is definitely very firm but also cool and breathable. We are looking for something with more support, and that we can raise off the ground.

Unfortunately, I do not have access to test the all-wool or cotton-wool mattresses. I currently own a twin child's Naturepedic mattress and I am satisfied with it, although it is hard to imagine how that translates to a different model with its own unique composition.


What would you say the main differences are between the all-wool and pocket coil mattresses?


The all-wool mattress seems like I would "sink in" to it, although I was assured by the company that this would not happen, and that it is a firm mattress that will continue to compress over time (resulting in less sinking). I was also assured that the smell would dissipate in 3 - 5 days, although someone else on this forum has said that theirs still smells after 2 years.


Would you consider this an accurate description?


Thanks again!

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26 Jun 2020 12:48 #8 by Sensei
Hey lp130,

Thanks for the reply and for your updates :) .

To answer your questions, we currently sleep on a thin cotton shikibuton on the floor. It is definitely very firm but also cool and breathable.


For other consumers who may be following your research and aren't familiar with a shikibuton, it is a traditional Japanese mattress, generally made of 100% cotton, a natural/ eco-friendly minimalist product that is laid out over a tatami (straw mat) when in use. They may involve other natural layers such as latex or wool as well.

We are looking for something with more support, and that we can raise off the ground.


What type mattress base are you considering in terms of something "you can raise off the ground"? A slatted base would be a good choice for maintaining a firm yet cool and breathable sleeping environment and would pair well with either all-wool or pocketed coil mattresses.

Unfortunately, I do not have access to test the all-wool or cotton-wool mattresses. I currently own a twin child's Naturepedic mattress and I am satisfied with it, although it is hard to imagine how that translates to a different model with its own unique composition. What would you say the main differences are between the all-wool and pocket coil mattresses?


The immediate differences that come to mind would be the routine maintenance of an all-wool vs a pocketed coil mattress. The wool mattress requires regular airing to release any moisture and maintain freshness, as well as regular rotating and flipping to fluff its fibers and maintain it's comfort feel. Pocketed coil mattresses do not require maintenance for their support layer, but without knowing which specific hybrid you're currently considering, I have no other thoughts for comparison.

The all-wool mattress seems like I would "sink in" to it, although I was assured by the company that this would not happen, and that it is a firm mattress that will continue to compress over time (resulting in less sinking). I was also assured that the smell would dissipate in 3 - 5 days, although someone else on this forum has said that theirs still smells after 2 years. Would you consider this an accurate description?


These are some of Phoenix's thoughts on natural fibers from article "Mattress Comfort Layers: Natural Fibers" :
Because natural fibers have less resiliency and elasticity and do not naturally form a pressure relieving cradle in the same way as foam, microcoils, or other materials more commonly used in the comfort layers of a mattress, special construction techniques are needed to use them successfully in a mattress…The first major difference in these materials is that they have little elasticity and resilience and rely on construction methods to give it these qualities. Tufting or "bunching" of the material and attaching it to deeper layers of a mattress is an example of this. This tufting and other construction methods and the use of very high quality fibers can help to somewhat overcome the tendency of all natural fibers to compress and become firmer ... although unlike foams this compression and the impressions it leaves in your mattress is not an indicator of material breakdown and in the case of fibers is even a necessary part of the pressure relieving properties of your mattress.

Also of interest is this article, "Different Types and Categories of Mattresses" , where Phoenix discusses innerspring/ natural fiber mattresses versus other types of mattress constructions. When time allows, I would encourage you to use the forum search feature using the term "wool", where you will find many consumer posts regarding their experiences with wool regarding odor dissipation and the like, keeping in mind that different climates and sleep environments affect individual experience. Hope this helps and looking forward to hearing more as your process continues.

Thanks,
Sensei

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26 Jun 2020 13:33 #9 by Marshmallowforme
I have tested an all wool mattress. You do not sink into it. You lay on top of it and to me it was very hard. Not firm as in a firm coil mattress that still has some give but hard. I thin the wool just compacts down and there is basically no fluff.

I also found these on-line that had coils in the middle of the wool. That might be a better option than all wool. But I'm not local so wasn't able to try these.
www.thefutonshop.com/mattresses/wool-mattresses/

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