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I'm Baaaack! Naturepedic EOS Classic or Pillowtop vs Vispring Coronet 28 Aug 2020 20:27 #1

Hi Phoenix (et al) -

Y'all helped me about 6 years ago when shopping for a good mattress. I ended up with a Green Sleep Nui (I think that's the model). It has springs covered by a thin layer of wool, then a few inches of latex, followed by cotton). We also use an organic wool pad over that, mostly to help with cooling, but it does provide a little bit extra cushion. The mattress developed a fairly significant sink after 6 years, plus a coil poked through. My store no longer carries Green Sleep, and Green Sleep was giving them and me a hard time about honoring their warranty. They finally are, however by offering me some cash because of the premature failure of the mattress. I'll be looking at a new mattress, but I am choosing between two different mattress companies.

Naturepedic puts out something similar to the above design in their EOS line. And Vispring puts out a Coronet line which exchews any latex at all, and instead uses alots of cotton and wool over pocketed coils. The store feels bad about the lack of life on the Green Sleep mattress they sold us, so they're giving us a good break on whichever mattress we choose from them.

My wife tends to get hot, so the cooler the sleep, the better. She sleeps on her stomach quite a bit, as well as on her side and back. I'm mostly a side sleeper. I'm 5'8", about 230 lbs.

Which of the above mattresses, the EOS Classic, the EOS Pillowtop, or the Vispring Coronet might you recommend for our purposes? Each of these are also customizable on each side of the bed. My wife might prefer something firmer while for me, as primarily a side sleeper, I might want something a tad softer. Naturepedic offers their "plush" option, as well as firm and medium options. Vispring also offers customization for "tension".

Thoughts?

Thanks,.

Jeff

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I'm Baaaack! Naturepedic EOS Classic or Pillowtop vs Vispring Coronet 29 Aug 2020 15:14 #2

Hi Jeff,
We have the Naturepedic EOS Pillow top in the following two options. We got the latex free configurations.

Myself, female, older, very bad back. I liked the plush coils with two layers of the medium microcoils.
My husband does not have a bad back and loves a soft bed. He got the the firm coils with two layers of the soft microcoils. I found this configuration too soft.

My huband would also like the plush coils with two layers of soft microcoils but he couldn't tell the difference between that and the firm base coils so we kept the firm since we had it already. He is also heavier and I think the firm will hold up better over time for him. In order to try all the configurations at home we ordered two twinXLs with different could set ups and then swapped the layers between ourselves to see which we liked better.

I think microcoils will hold up better than latex which is a foam that can develop body impressions. Our previous all latex mattress developed body impressions that couldn't be seen so hence no warranty would cover them.

We started with the Classic and we both wanted more of the pillowtop feel so upgraded to the pillowtop during the exchange period.

I had not heard of vispring in my research so didn't try them. Naturepedic had a store near us so I was able to try them and I liked that they had a return policy that was easy to work with.

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I'm Baaaack! Naturepedic EOS Classic or Pillowtop vs Vispring Coronet 31 Aug 2020 10:38 #3

Thanks for your feedback.

ViSpring is an old English brand which makes latex-free mattresses that are hand-made, using only cotton, different kinds of wool, horsehair, and springs. With Queen size and larger, they will divide the two sides into two different firmnesses. The downside to their mattresses is that once they're made, they're made. There's no swapping out if things don't feel as you'd hope the way a Naturepedic is able to be altered.

The tricky thing for me (as well as my wife) is that I'm a side sleeper and heavier than she is, while she also sleeps on her stomach and on her back. My issue is getting a mattress that will keep my spine aligned without sinking in too deeply, while at the same time allowing my shoulder to sink in enough. I have been finding that mattresses which give enough to support to my hips to align my spine don't give enough sink to allow my shoulder to sink in enough. If there's enough sink for my shoulder, my hip tends to sink in a bit too much. Certainly with a Naturepedic, we can' sort of get it right individually, but I'm trying to find the right combination.

I tried a pillowtop with a soft layer, a firm layer (both latex) and the firm spring layer. I found my hips going in a bit too deep, although it was pretty good for my shoulder. Swapping out to a firm layer on top, it didn't allow enough sink for my shoulder. They had a bed with a firm layer on top and the plush springs. I found that to have a bit too much sink for my hips. The one that might be the closest was a soft top latex layer and the firm springs.

We also compared a bed with a soft latex layer with firm springs on one side, and the soft microcoils layer with firm on the other. The microcoils side was MUCH softer, less supportive than the soft latex side.

Apparently there is also a 'Cushion Firm' lower spring layer, which is between the 'Firm' and the 'Plush'. I don't know if the dealer has that in stock, but I imagine that they could get it for us if were to want to try it. Frankly, I think I would, as NONE of the beds I tried were the Goldilocks 'Just Right' combination.

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I'm Baaaack! Naturepedic EOS Classic or Pillowtop vs Vispring Coronet 31 Aug 2020 13:05 #4

Did you get to try the medium microcoils? I found the soft microcoils tended to bottom out and then my shoulder was into the base coil layer.

The problem with our Naturepedic store was they only had one layer of medium microcoils and one soft microcoils. So in order for us to try the combinations we ended up with we had to buy the mattresses with one each of the firm and plush base coils and then two each of the soft and medium microcoils.

One of the mattresses I tried in a Boulder CO mattress store may have been a ViSpring. The description you gave sounds alot like what they described. It was really expensive. I don't remember if I liked it. They had another one I liked alot but they didn't have a return policy and I didn't want to get stuck with something that didn't work out for me.

Mattress shopping is tough because the combos I thought I like in the store weren't what worked out at home. And as I said above, they didn't even have the components to let us try the combos we liked. I suggest trying the medium microcoils either on a classic or two layers on the pillowtop.

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I'm Baaaack! Naturepedic EOS Classic or Pillowtop vs Vispring Coronet 31 Aug 2020 14:34 #5

Hi -

I didn't get anything. We're just auditioning mattresses. I did try the soft microcoil, and as you said, it bottomed out quickly, whereas the latex, at least, did some supporting and cradling. Our sales guy does not like mating microcoils on one side with latex on another anyway.

I'm curious about the Naturepedic Halcyon series, but the store we're going to buy from doesn't carry it. The Halcyons use wool, alpaca, and cashmere in the quilting.

In any event, we have been using a wool topper to help with circulation for my wife, but I'm beginning to believe that it doesn't fully allow the latex comfort layer to fully do its job.

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I'm Baaaack! Naturepedic EOS Classic or Pillowtop vs Vispring Coronet 31 Aug 2020 15:15 #6

Our sales person made a comment that they didn't think the two layers of microcoils worked well in the pillowtop as one would slide around on top of the other. But it was the first time we went in and an off hand comment. So when we wanted to try that configuration they didn't balk. And we found two layers of microcoils were an excellent configuration. I asked her about it and she said that was the feedback she got from one sale. I think it was a made up reason to return the mattress as it does not reflect our experience.

I did try the Halcyon. I didn't think it was more comfortable. In fact it read a slight bit harder to me in the quilting layer. Not a huge amount but enough for me to dismiss it based on it being more expensive and not a real advantage.

If you think you want to try one side latex and the other microcoils have them set it up that way and then roll around on it and see what the objection is to that configuration. I can't see why having them next to each other would cause a problem. Same way I couldn't see having two layers of microcoils on top of each other would cause them to slide around.

When we had a full latex bed we used a wool fleece style mattress pad and really liked it. However we took off the original mattress top casing that had wool batting and a knit cotton cover. Without the top casing the latex was more flexible which worked well with the wool mattress pad and was very comfortable. I think both together made the latex harder and less plush.

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I'm Baaaack! Naturepedic EOS Classic or Pillowtop vs Vispring Coronet 31 Aug 2020 16:05 #7

Sorry, I meant to say I didn't get to try the medium microcoils. I don't know if they have that in stock to try. I'd like to try the Cushion Firm coil layer as well. I'm not sure if they have it that in stock either.

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I'm Baaaack! Naturepedic EOS Classic or Pillowtop vs Vispring Coronet 31 Aug 2020 16:39 #8

The cushion firm coil level must be really new. We bought late last year and it wasn't mentioned but maybe because the store didn't have any of those base coils in stock. When I had both the firm and the plush base coils open it was not that easy to tell the difference between them by pushing on them. I had to feel the thickness of the metal through the fabric with my fingers. But I could feel the difference in the base coils when we were trying them with different comfort layers on top. However my husband's final configuration of firm base coils with two layers of soft microcoils could have easily been plush base coils with two layers of soft microcoils.

In looking at the web site they obscure what configuration your getting by using cryptic names like Plush, Ultra Plush, Medium, Cushion Firm. This doesn't tell you what base and upper layers your getting. But when ordering through the store I was able to specify the layers I wanted. Probably that can be done if one were to phone in an order also.

Based on what you said above it sounds like you weren't happy with any of the classic configurations. Given that I think you can't go wrong with the pillow top. It really gives you alot of flexibility to try different layer combos.

We tried the following in the classic:
Plush base, soft microcoils
Plush base, medium microcoils
Firm base, soft microcoils
Firm base, medium microcoils

In the pillow top:
Firm base, medium microcoils, soft microcoils.
Firm base, soft microcoils, medium microcoils
Firm base, soft microcoils, soft microcoils (my husband's favorite)
Firm base, medium microcoils, medium microcoils
Plush base, medium microcoils, soft microcoils.
Plush base, soft microcoils, medium microcoils
Plush base, soft microcoils, soft microcoils
Plush base, medium microcoils, medium microcoils (my favorite)

If I were you I'd skip the classic and go right to the pillow top. Did your wife not like the microcoils? My husband thought he wanted latex but once he tried the microcoils he really liked them. I think they will hold up better also.

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I'm Baaaack! Naturepedic EOS Classic or Pillowtop vs Vispring Coronet 31 Aug 2020 16:42 #9

I'm not sure I understand the latter. You had a wool mattress pad and a mattress casing. How did you take the casing off?

We currently have a very thin wool washable mattress cover. We use that to cover the quilted wool mattress pad, which then goes over the Green Sleep Niu mattress, which is very similar to the EOS - small soft latex layer over wool covered pocketed coil set.

Which in your old bed hindered the latex?

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I'm Baaaack! Naturepedic EOS Classic or Pillowtop vs Vispring Coronet 31 Aug 2020 16:50 #10

My wife prefers a firmer mattress. The two soft latex layers didn't floor her.

The above distinctions, Plush, Cushion Firm, etc., refer to the bottom coil layer, to my understanding.

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