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I'm Baaaack! Naturepedic EOS Classic or Pillowtop vs Vispring Coronet 31 Aug 2020 16:58 #11

We had the 8" Nu-Lex.
foamsource.com/shop/Latex-Mattress/Nu-Lex-8-Inch

It comes with a wool batting case that is covered in knit cotton. We unzipped the top, kept the bottom and sides, put both into a 4 sided bed bug cover (to hold them all together) and then put a Denali Down Under wool mattress pad on top. It made the mattress much softer than it was with the wool batting pad that came with the mattress.
denalihome.com/products/denali-supreme-wool-mattress-pad

We bought the mattress pad a long time ago (maybe 2003) and at that time it had a full bed skirt instead of straps. We washed it many times (a couple of times a year) and it held up really well. I still have it even though with this mattress purchase we moved to two twinXL beds due to having gotten adjustable bases. It is a king size so not being used but it is too good to just throw out so it sits in my linen closet.

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I'm Baaaack! Naturepedic EOS Classic or Pillowtop vs Vispring Coronet 31 Aug 2020 17:01 #12

Actually we may have the Supreme because that has the fitted skirt.
denalihome.com/collections/mattress-pads/products/skirted-down-under-wool-pad-throw

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I'm Baaaack! Naturepedic EOS Classic or Pillowtop vs Vispring Coronet 31 Aug 2020 17:21 #13

Give Naturepedic a call tomorrow and check on the base coil options. My understanding is the options on their web site, at least in the no latex option, were describing a combination of base, and two upper levels but the actual components weren't specified.

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I'm Baaaack! Naturepedic EOS Classic or Pillowtop vs Vispring Coronet 31 Aug 2020 17:33 #14

Will do

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I'm Baaaack! Naturepedic EOS Classic or Pillowtop vs Vispring Coronet 01 Sep 2020 11:39 #15

Hi again -

I'm going to a company store. I also talked to corporate. They both independently suggested finding a combination of the Pillowtop. Neither love the microcoils other than for those who have a latex allergy. But the local Naturepedic store rep suggested may trying a set of medium microcoils inbetween the lower firm layer and a medium level latex top layer.

Regarding their warranty of getting a latex layer that is too sunken in, the corporate person said that they're not too strict about. They ask that someone who has an issue unzip the quilted top layer and put something stiff across the surface of the latex layer and photograph it. If it shows an indentation, they're fine enough with that proof to replace it.

Anyway, we're going to go to the corporate store tomorrow to try out different options for the Pillowtop for us.

Jeff

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I'm Baaaack! Naturepedic EOS Classic or Pillowtop vs Vispring Coronet 01 Sep 2020 15:13 #16

Hi AnalogJ/Jeff.

Great to have you back! :)

Good to hear that you are happy with the decision you made 6 years ago and all the help you got from our mattress forum. Too bad that started to breakdown (probably from the wear and tear that comes with high BMI sleepers) but I am glad to see that you are ready to upgrade and looking at some good mattress options. I am seeing that you are making good headway with your choice and getting some input from our subscribers that sleep on one of the options you are considering.
You seem to be almost ready to pull the trigger so so it may be a good time to throw a few cents worth of reinforcement opinions.

Naturepedic puts out something similar to the above design in their EOS line. And Vispring puts out a Coronet line which exchews any latex at all, and instead uses alots of cotton and wool over pocketed coils. The store feels bad about the lack of life on the Green Sleep mattress they sold us, so they're giving us a good break on whichever mattress we choose from them.


(9.8”) Vispring Coronet … Vi-Spring certainly makes some exceptional hand-built and tufted mattresses that use high-quality materials and components (pocket coils and natural fibers) but as you probably know they are in a much more premium budget range than many other mattresses that also use natural materials. With this option, it’s good that you can customize comfort/support before the purchase according to your personal sleep preferences and statistics . The downside of it is that if the match does not turn out as well as you are hoping for any of the sleepers you don’t have alternative options.

My wife tends to get hot, so the cooler the sleep, the better. She sleeps on her stomach quite a bit, as well as on her side and back. I'm mostly a side sleeper. I'm 5'8", about 230 lbs.


Layers that are closer to the top sleeping surface will have the greatest impact upon comfort and sleeping temperature (including any mattress pad, sheets, and linen). I am not sure if you came across some of our posts that discuss temperature regulations issues, but you can read more about the many variables that can affect the sleeping temperature of a mattress or sleeping system in post #2 here more about tracking mattress temperature regulation issues potential causes ~ Post #2 here (at least to the degree possible for a specific mattress) and the posts it links to that may be helpful. You may also be interested in the information in post #29 about temperature regulation and mattress microclimate .

The natural fibers in all the options you are looking at, allow for airflow and humidity control which translates into better temperature regulation, as does the type of ticking (cover) used: such as wool, silk, cotton or viscose or even some of the more breathable synthetics which wick away moisture and ventilate better and humidity control is a key part of temperature control.

If your wife is mainly a prone sleeper, she’d need the thinnest comfort layer … back sleeping is in the middle, and side sleepers like you need the thickest comfort layer. It is rare that anyone ... even a side sleeper ... would need more than 4" in a comfort layer. I’d recommend that you weigh your comfort/support choices well as stomach sleeping is a common source of back issues as stomach sleepers tend to sleep in a "swayback" position, especially if their comfort layer is more than an inch (or at most two) or if their support layer is too soft. You don’t mention your wife’s BMI but If there is a large disparity between your weights, that would be another factor to consider in choosing a mattress that will be both comfortable and durable for years to come.

Which of the above mattresses, the EOS Classic, the EOS Pillowtop, or the Vispring Coronet might you recommend for our purposes? Each of these are also customizable on each side of the bed. My wife might prefer something firmer while for me, as primarily a side sleeper, I might want something a tad softer. Naturepedic offers its "plush" option, as well as firm and medium options. Vispring also offers customization for "tension". Thoughts?


EOS mattresses come in 2 configurations:
(14” +) EOS PILLOWTOP (8"support coils + 2 of the 3" comfort layers)
(Detachable zippered pillowtop
• quilt (organic cotton & wool batting)
• 3" organic Dunlop latex comfort layer
Base mattress
• 3" organic latex comfort layer
• 8" encased coils with edge support (wrapped in organic cotton fabric)
• organic cotton batting + bottom encasement (organic cotton & cotton fill + solid brass zipper)
Firmness choices:
--Latex (extra plush, plush, medium, cushion firm and firm)
--Microcoil (extra plush, plush, medium and cushion firm)
((11” +) EOS CLASSIC (8"support coils + 1 of the 3" comfort layers)
• Base mattress alternative of the above.


Both options are customizable on either side of the mattress ...as you say, the best solution for sleepers who vary in BMI and sleeping position is to go with a side by side layering . You are going definitely into the right direction with a firmer side for your wife, as you have a high BMI and need for some cushioning with your side sleeping, and if budget is not an issue, I’d probably opt for the Pillowtop version between the two EOC’s you are considering. (This being said the 11” can work as well but the 14:” + would give you more choices.) as far as the feel, need, and… personal preference goes. Because of the need to fine-tune with sleeper differences in mind I’d probably go for the EOC, and try to test it several times (different days if possible) before deciding to go with the microcoil option they have available… with EOC you should be able to fine-tune and exchange layers with their many offerings of X- plush, plush, medium, firm, and extra firm to get the right fit for both sides sleeping styles and BMIs. Either way… all your choices are between good and good which is the best position to be in. :).

Let us know what mattress is the final winner in your “sleep well” contest.

Phoenix
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I'm Baaaack! Naturepedic EOS Classic or Pillowtop vs Vispring Coronet 01 Sep 2020 16:18 #17

Thanks so much, Phoenix.

FYI, my wife is 5'2" and 140 lb. I'm 5'8", 230 lb. Different needs.

My wife actually preferred the all-wool comfort player Vispring Devonshire. For me, it supports my spine, but I'd need something softer for my shoulder. I have also read about less than stellar support from Vispring when there IS a problem. While the workmanship of Vispring is no doubt quite high, getting a great feeling mattress seems more of a crapshoot. But maybe a soft topper?

We can certainly do the EOS Pillowtop, but getting one firm enough for her, while getting one both supportive enough at my hips so my spine is aligned while providing enough sink at the shoulder is tricky. I think I tried a soft/medium/firm set of layers and my hips sunk in a bit too much, although it was fine for my shoulders. The Classic soft/firm was good for my spine, but did not quite allow my shoulder to sink in enough.

So I haven't found my Goldilocks 'just right' yet. I'm going into a
NP company store tomorrow to try some new options.

Jeff

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I'm Baaaack! Naturepedic EOS Classic or Pillowtop vs Vispring Coronet 01 Sep 2020 16:33 #18

Jeff,
What did they say about the base coil options? Is there a third firmness?

In terms of the latex, if you love it, you can always buy a new layer since it is a zip off top. From our experience with latex when there were body impressions there was no visible compression of the latex. Something stiff across the top wouldn't show anything. You could only feel it when you were laying on it.

Looking at your weight and height I highly suggest trying two layers of the medium microcoil. Try it on both the plush and the firm base and see if that gives you the support you need. Hopefully the corporate store will have two medium microcoils. Unfortunatly ours did not.

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I'm Baaaack! Naturepedic EOS Classic or Pillowtop vs Vispring Coronet 01 Sep 2020 19:05 #19

They don't have two medium microcoils. They have one soft and one medium. We'll try them, but they don't push them because some complain they can feel the coils when lying on the bed. I'll bring up what you say about the latex.

Regarding the support coils, it's only firm or plush. I was mistaken thinking there was a third.

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I'm Baaaack! Naturepedic EOS Classic or Pillowtop vs Vispring Coronet 01 Sep 2020 19:28 #20

Interesting! I don't feel them and neither does my husband. Also if you do a search on here for Naturepedic there is another poster who is the one that told me about the medium microcoils and how wonderful they were. He has had his mattress a longer time and really loves the medium microcoils.

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