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HELP.. new 12" full tallalay mattress KILLING my back 15 Sep 2020 16:08 #11

Phoenix wrote: There are many different kinds of pain… I’d watch if the pain is mild/sharp, localized/diffuse, if the pain moves, if the pain fades during the day… and so on. Soreness/numbness when you wake up indicates that you are dealing with some pressure points. Watch this as well and make notes.


I've been making pretty rough notes. i need to start doing it as a map.

Something in particular jumps out at me though: I tried the following, each day..
1 2 3 2 ....
1 2 3 3 ...
1 3 3 3 ...

when i started, i had a pressure point in my shoulder (numbness) but the pain was disappearing throughout the day, whereas my "soreness" from the 1 3 3 3 seems to linger more even though I don't get pain.

I'm wondering what to do... deal with the pressure point and see if I can grow past the pain or see if i can get rid of the soreness with a solid zone (the 3s, right now)

referring to the map i posted, i have a softer support layer under my shoulder than everywhere else so maybe I need to firm up the support layer?


and yes, each side of the bed is zoned (7x2), so I'm stealing from the other size of the bed and right now, the other side is just an arbitrary bank of pieces

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HELP.. new 12" full tallalay mattress KILLING my back 17 Sep 2020 22:55 #12

Hello A-Raw!

Thanks for confirming the “stealing from the other side of bed arbitrary bank of pieces” It’s good you’re keeping some notes to help you track combinations you’ve tried. Like I previously mentioned…Are you also doing a pain log? as the pain will tend to move, and change depending on the zoning you use.

Something like:
Date/Time
Zoning used/Changes
Pain Level
Location of Pain
Pain Type Response from previous Change

I'm wondering what to do... deal with the pressure point and see if I can grow past the pain or see if i can get rid of the soreness with a solid zone (the 3s, right now)


This may come after the fact as it is already two days later but while cannot tell “what’s the best” of “what to do” you are sensing rightly that holding one configuration a little longer can allow your body reset itself in small increments and gradually “unlearn” any previous coping mechanism posture. Longer stretches of time with monitoring the pain levels and pain movement would give you better information in that respect. Like I mentioned in the last post, once you get the best alignment you possibly can, with the least amount of pain, I’d also consider investing in a comfort pad to add a bit more cushioning and create a cradle.

referring to the map i posted, i have a softer support layer under my shoulder than everywhere else so maybe I need to firm up the support layer?


Have you tried this already? How did it work?

Phoenix
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HELP.. new 12" full tallalay mattress KILLING my back 19 Sep 2020 15:38 #13

Phoenix wrote: Hello A-Raw!

Thanks for confirming the “stealing from the other side of bed arbitrary bank of pieces” It’s good you’re keeping some notes to help you track combinations you’ve tried. Like I previously mentioned…Are you also doing a pain log? as the pain will tend to move, and change depending on the zoning you use.

Something like:
Date/Time
Zoning used/Changes
Pain Level
Location of Pain
Pain Type Response from previous Change

I'm wondering what to do... deal with the pressure point and see if I can grow past the pain or see if i can get rid of the soreness with a solid zone (the 3s, right now)


This may come after the fact as it is already two days later but while cannot tell “what’s the best” of “what to do” you are sensing rightly that holding one configuration a little longer can allow your body reset itself in small increments and gradually “unlearn” any previous coping mechanism posture. Longer stretches of time with monitoring the pain levels and pain movement would give you better information in that respect. Like I mentioned in the last post, once you get the best alignment you possibly can, with the least amount of pain, I’d also consider investing in a comfort pad to add a bit more cushioning and create a cradle.

referring to the map i posted, i have a softer support layer under my shoulder than everywhere else so maybe I need to firm up the support layer?


Have you tried this already? How did it work?

Phoenix


It helped a bit. Attached my log for the last couple nights. It looks like I changed a lot but I didn't really.
The first night I did something suggested by the company to sightly soften

The second night I put it back to where it was before and then I firmed up the shoulders and the leg core layer

My next step might be to replace my comfort layer with all 4s instead of 3s just to see if my pain gets worse or better.

Why do you recommend a comfort pad? I thought the latex topper did a great job of cradling and I thought that was the point of the latex topper?

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HELP.. new 12" full tallalay mattress KILLING my back 21 Sep 2020 08:07 #14

I slept on the config from Sept 18 for an extra night and had increased pain the second night..

Last night i changed the comfort layer lumbar for a firmer piece (which i think is the "normal" thing to do) and it was my best sleep yet..

My problem at the beginning was that everything was too soft i guess.. last nights sleep was tolerable but i still want to find 0/10 pain
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HELP.. new 12" full tallalay mattress KILLING my back 21 Sep 2020 22:22 #15

Hi A-Raw.

Why do you recommend a comfort pad? I thought the latex topper did a great job of cradling and I thought that was the point of the latex topper?


Good question!. Comfort pads are generally in between the thickness of a mattress protector and a topper and to different degrees can sometimes combine the function of both (if the mattress pad is either water-resistant or waterproof). Latex has the ability to respond to pressure in a very local area which is why is a very good choice for you ....hopefully, you don‘t need a pad at all. From your notes, you seem to need firmer zoning in several areas and thin wool or shredded latex comfort pad may help with fine-tuning. This could be a good solution in case you experience numbness or pressure points, which is why I suggested it only after you get the best zoning configuration you can possibly get with what you have.

Last night i changed the comfort layer lumbar for a firmer piece (which i think is the "normal" thing to do) and it was my best sleep yet… last nights sleep was tolerable but i still want to find 0/10 pain


It sounds like a step in the right direction and like swapping out configurations is helping you get closer to the “0/10 pain-free” nights of sleep.

Looking forward to continued progress reports.

Phoenix
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HELP.. new 12" full tallalay mattress KILLING my back 24 Sep 2020 10:26 #16

slept on that config for 4 days and the notes stayed the same.. lower/mid right-side-back pain.

Seller told me that I'm now sleeping on a very firm mattress (its at a 14- he is a big man and he sleeps on a 14).. he suggested i try softening hip/shoulder again, but doing so in the past increased my pain.

Are there any ideas you can spitball to try next?

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