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Opinions on DIY build 25 Feb 2021 14:08 #1

Hello and thanks in advance for you help! I am going to DIY a King size mattress for my husband and myself and would like your opinion on a couple items.

The sleepers:
Him: 6’2” 240lbs athletic build, side sleeper
Me: 5’5” 155lbs not-so-athletic build, 80/20 side/back sleeper, hot sleeper

The bed:
8” QE bolsa from the Latex Mattress Factory
2” medium topper from SleeponLatex
2” soft topper from Sleepon Latex
OR
3” soft topper from SleeponLatex
11” or 12” cover from SleeponLatex

The questions:
1. Do I need anything under the coils (between the coils and the box springs) such as a thin layer of foam?
2. Do you recommended the two 2” layers for options, or would the one 3” layer be better for side sleepers?
3. Will the SleepOnLatex zipper cover hinder the flex of the latex?
4. Any other advice is welcome.

Thanks again!

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Last edit: by Kelbrad7.

Opinions on DIY build 26 Feb 2021 13:44 #2

I'm sure others will be along to give suggestions too but I have a few considering what you are proposing.

Let me answer your questions:

1) No you don't need anything but you can use a firm 1" layer of SOL dunlop under the coils if you prefer the feel of foam when you put on the fitted sheets (feels more like a store mattress).

2) Your husband is pretty close to my build and I can tell you 4" of foam on coils is not nearly enough, see below.

3) I don't have experience with this cover, you may need to contact SOL to ask this question.

4) See below

As I mentioned above you will likely need at least 6" of foam on top of those coils for someone who's a 240lb side sleeper (I'm about 6'2 and 245lbs myself). Throw in an athletic build and you may need even more depth to feel comfortable. Sleep on latex makes great dunlop latex but you are going to want talalay on at least the top 3" layer and maybe the next layer down depending on the person's dimensions/curves (big shoulders/small waist/big legs combos can be very hard to fit, ask me how I know). I would suggest a 3" of 22ILD talalay / 3" of 32ILD talalay on his side and 3" of 22ILD talalay / 3" of med SOL dunlop on your side (since you are a back sleeper). You may need to add additional layers depending on how it feels for each person. You can likely get away with dunlop on your side but I can almost guarantee he will not like it because of his weight, it will feel very stiff on areas like the hips and shoulders. Wait to get a cover last because you may go through some layer changes and you want to know the final mattress height before buying it (fitted sheet works fine). Anyway let us know how you make out.

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Opinions on DIY build 27 Feb 2021 17:50 #3

Hi Kelbrad7.

Welcome to our Mattress Forum. :)

Thanks for sharing your sleeping stats and the DIY build you are considering. I can see you've received valuable insight from Mattrebuild as well. :)

1. Do I need anything under the coils (between the coils and the box springs) such as a thin layer of foam?


This is entirely up to you. Some people purchase a layer of coconut coir or, as Mattrebuild stated, 1" to 1.5" of foam as a "stabilizing" layer. But this is not required or necessary.

2. Do you recommended the two 2” layers for options, or would the one 3” layer be better for side sleepers?


It is impossible for anyone to tell with certainty which configuration is the best match for each sleeper as this is completely dependent on each of the sleeper’s BMI, body type, profile, and of their needs and preferences. Typically, a side sleeper in a normal BMI range can do well with anything between 2 - 4" comfort layer, Due to your husband's higher BMI and sleeping position, he’d likely need more thickness in the comfort/transition layers as higher weights compress the top layers more deeply, they will also compress the deeper layers more so in cases where the top layers are thinner and the support core will also be more compressed "through" the upper layers then the density of the support core can also play a bigger role in durability than they would for lighter weights or with thicker comfort layers. There is more about the factors that can affect the durability and useful life of a mattress relative to different people (with different weight ranges and sleeping styles) in post #2 here and the posts it links to.

I’d make sure to ask for Sleep On Latex recommendations. When it comes to their own products SOL guidance is based on a great deal of experience and consumer feedback (which they take very seriously). You can find their Trusted Member profile here or contact them directly via their website (linked above).

3. Will the SleepOnLatex zipper cover hinder the flex of the latex?


It depends on a few factors including how taut the cover is. Generally, the layers closest to your skin can have the greatest impact upon your comfort and can affect some of the properties of the comfort layer itself. E.g. depending upon the thickness and the weave and the blending of other materials, a cover using cotton can be stiff or barely noticeable. Thicker cotton covers can have a feel much like a canvas and not flex much at all, while others can have cotton blended with more elastic fibers to form a stretch-knit that is very flexible. Quilting wool into the covering will give it a bit more rigidity and some extra comfort, but it will tend to be on the slightly firmer end of the spectrum, especially as time goes on, as wool does tend to compress. This would of course depend upon the amount of wool used and how tightly it is quilted to the material. There could also be some benefits for temperature/moisture regulation with the wool, and a thicker cover quilted with wool can also provide a bit more protection in the long run versus oxidation/UV exposure for the latex. All in all, again Sleep on Latex will be your best source of information for cover questions

4. Any other advice is welcome.


When reaching out to SOL, I’d make sure to provide them with good information about your body types, sleeping styles, and general preferences and history so they can best help you finesse your configuration.

Please keep us posted as you progress with your DIY.

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Opinions on DIY build 11 Mar 2021 09:37 #4

Thanks for your replies! After reading them, I’ve done a lot more reading and thinking. My latest thoughts are this:

6” QE bolsa- APM
2” med Dunlop- SOL
2” soft Dunlop - SOL
2”- soft talalay- APM

What are your thoughts on this, please and thanks?!

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Opinions on DIY build 12 Mar 2021 05:35 #5

Kelbrad7 wrote: Thanks for your replies! After reading them, I’ve done a lot more reading and thinking. My latest thoughts are this:

6” QE bolsa- APM
2” med Dunlop- SOL
2” soft Dunlop - SOL
2”- soft talalay- APM

What are your thoughts on this, please and thanks?!


That looks pretty good but considering your husband is 240lbs with an athletic build and sleeps on his side and you are a mostly back sleeper I would use a different combo for each side rather than making it uniform across the whole bed. This will allow you to tailor each side to get when you both need rather than just trying to reach the best compromise.

Here's what I would suggest to try initially:

Your Side
6” QE bolsa
2” med Dunlop (Twin XL)
2” soft Dunlop (Twin XL) You may end up with a medium in this layer too but I'd try soft first and change it out if you don't get enough support
2”- 22ILD talalay (King)

His Side
6” QE bolsa
2” 36ILD talalay (Twin XL)
2” 32ILD talalay (Twin XL)
2”- 22ILD talalay (see above)

You may find you run into some alignment issues later (which you can address after you sleep on it a bit) but this should get you a solid starting point for both.

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Opinions on DIY build 13 Mar 2021 13:38 #6

Thanks again!

I actually got my nerve up to look inside my current mattress. It’s a Kluft Bristol that we HATE; it’s way too firm. I just cut a small opening, but I can see it has good coils to work with, as well as a couple 1” layers of a yet-to-be-determined firmness latex. I have to investigate further to be sure I’m not cutting through fiberglass, but it looks like mattress surgery for me. I’ll be adding a couple of 2” talalay toppers.

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Opinions on DIY build 15 Mar 2021 05:33 #7

Kelbrad7 wrote: Thanks again!

I actually got my nerve up to look inside my current mattress. It’s a Kluft Bristol that we HATE; it’s way too firm. I just cut a small opening, but I can see it has good coils to work with, as well as a couple 1” layers of a yet-to-be-determined firmness latex. I have to investigate further to be sure I’m not cutting through fiberglass, but it looks like mattress surgery for me. I’ll be adding a couple of 2” talalay toppers.


Have no fear, they haven't put fiberglass in any mattresses I'm aware of. If you can take a few photos and post them up so we can see what you're working with on the build.

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Opinions on DIY build 15 Mar 2021 13:34 #8

I read they use cellulose/silica as a fire retardant, which I’m not sure about! It’s either cancerous dust, or it’s rayon :)

I ordered two topper from APM over the weekend. I’ll start the surgery when they arrive. I’ll be sure to document and share the journey.

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