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DIY all latex mattress (one layer at a time) build. All suggestions welcome. 21 May 2021 19:17 #11

This isn't a reply to your question...I didn't know how to jump into the discussion so attached my post to yours. Sorry if this isn't kosher!
After much consideration I'm going to get a Plush Botanical Bliss. It has adjustable layers, it sounds like the people are good to work with, they have jumped through a lot of hoops to get all of the certifications they have, and while it's expensive, it's pretty comparable with other mattresses of its kind. The organic feature is worth extra money to me. People say it doesn't smell which is also important to me because I've now slept on two memory foams and returned one and am about to return the second due to smell and heat and firmness with no way to adjust that. The maker also was unable to give me ILDs which is not good. (I need this info from Plush before I buy.)I wish I'd read more on this site before I bought either of my other mattresses. I'm sorry not to be able to give your trusted members business. I wish Plush was one of them because, from what I've read here, most people are happy with them.
Toss and Turn, hope you found your good combo. If you're still struggling and haven't talked to the manufacturer (which I suspect you have) they might be able to help. I also wondered if you have slept on each configuration long enough to see if your body adjusts to it. Just a few random thoughts.
If anyone has bad things to say about their experience with Plush I'd love to hear it. I'm tired of searching for the right mattress and don't want to return another. As always, thanks for this great website. What a great service you provide!

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DIY all latex mattress (one layer at a time) build. All suggestions welcome. 22 May 2021 18:35 #12

Hi Greyling. No worries posting in this topic as it's related to Plush Beds. I did end up grabbing the 25-28ILD since it's the only topper I could find between 20 and 34ILD. I'm not satisfied about the purchase though since the company has no phone number, is only open 5 days a week 8 to 3PM and the GOLS certificate is not in their name. I'll ask for clarification and maybe I can get them to connect the dots from the factory to their warehouse. I only ordered from them because like you I'm tired of shopping and want to put the meat of this build behind me.

I know you were looking for answers from experts but I'll throw in my 2 cents while you wait. I wouldn't look at switching layers of latex around as a big selling point. You can do that with any bed that comes with a zippered enclosure and one that doesn't have their layers glued together. Sleep on Latex's prebuilt mattresses has a zippered cover but the latex layers are glued together as an example. It's also not ideal to put a softer layer under a firmer layer as a way to adjust the feel but if it works for you then fine as everyone is different. A better way is to exchange latex layers with a company that permits this to tweak the bed to your liking. It does look like Plush Beds allows exchanging the top layer within 100 days so that's a plus if your issue can be fixed in that top comfort layer.

Also note that you're going to need to put the mattress together the same as you would a DIY bed. See this video as an example. Just be more careful with the scissors than this guy was lol. If they ship two layers in a single box it's going to be 80 or more pounds for a queen so you might recruit some help from friends or family. Assembly isn't difficult but it would go easier with two people. I'm not saying all this to discourage you but I just want to point out my findings during my journey.

I hope you find your perfect bed and wish you luck in your journey.

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DIY all latex mattress (one layer at a time) build. All suggestions welcome. 22 May 2021 18:59 #13

Thanks for the informative reply Toss and Turn. I think I know which vendor you're dealing with. I too was put off by the fact that they don't have a phone number. It seems to be it's easier to ignore an email than a phone call and I've never heard of a business with no phone number, trusted member or not. I too wondered about the certificates being in their suppliers' names. As I looked at a lot of the other sites it seems that's not unusual. That surprised me. I guess it's like when you buy food...you trust the grocer that they have a good supplier. From what I've read there are limited sources of latex so that may help that issue.

The reason the moveable layers appeals to me is that I've now been through two memory foam beds, both of which smelled and were too hard. I figure with a mattress where layers can be moved around and/or exchanged I have a better chance of getting a good fit, though it sounds from your experience like it can be hard. My understanding is that Plush will exchange any of the layers, but I'll recheck that.

I realize that about putting the bed together. While my husband and I are older, we've gotten one 75 lb mattress up our stairs so I guess we can do another. At least it looks like the bags they come in have extra plastic at the top as not having a place to grab is the biggest problem. I know with latex you have to be very careful about that..
I hope you're able to find a topper that fits your needs....oh, and I asked the vendor, if it's the one I think, on their question board here about the certificate issue. I thought the person answering was a little testy about it, but that might have been my take on it and wasn't accurate, he was having a bad day, or who knows. In emails it's always hard to know.
Thanks for your comments!

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DIY all latex mattress (one layer at a time) build. All suggestions welcome. 23 May 2021 16:46 #14

Hello Greyling. The vendor I bought from is not a trusted member. I would have felt a bit better if they were. They also sell their toppers on Amazon so they have a lot to lose if they aren't selling what they advertise.

Here's where I saw about Plush Beds exchanging the top layer. It's towards the bottom under "100 Night Free In-Home Comfort Exchange:".
www.plushbeds.com/pages/fast-free-shipping

I would still ask them about exchanging the other layers if necessary. If I was them I would rather exchange any layer rather than have a mattress returned.

I'll step aside until I here back from the vendor and receive the topper. Hopefully someone with a Bliss will comment in the meantime.

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DIY all latex mattress (one layer at a time) build. All suggestions welcome. 24 May 2021 09:18 #15

Thanks Toss and Turn! You even sent a link!!! Yes, after you mentioned it to me I went back and saw that. I plan to call them today to ask some questions. That will be one of them. Sorry your vendor isn't a trusted member. I went that route too with my current bed and have to send it back. Lord knows what hoops I'll have to jump through for that one! I'm wiser now. Wish there was a way this site was number one on all of the search engines when people search mattresses. It's a confusing world out there.
Good luck with your situation and thanks again!
Greyling

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DIY all latex mattress (one layer at a time) build. All suggestions welcome. 25 May 2021 07:09 #16

My latest Plush update. I called them yesterday to ask some questions before I bought the bed. First of all the mailbox of the person handling new purchases was full so I talked with someone at their general number after waiting about 5 minutes. He told me there was no mattress expert available and took my name and number and said someone would call me back. This was what would be 10:30 or so their time. I waited all day and no call back. I just had a live chat with one of their reps indicating how this made me wonder about customer service, ie. if they couldn't answer me when I had questions before buying what would happen if I bought one of their expensive beds and had an issue I needed help for. The person was totally unhelpful, came back with information about the bed. That was bad enough, but the information the person supplied was totally different from what was on the website. It was clear that I knew more about their mattresses than the person taking my call. This doesn't increase my confidence in Plush! When I indicated my concern the person I was talking with told me she would refer the call to her manager "if he was available". Are you kidding me? You have an angry potential caller because of bad customer service and you try to placate them by indicating that their call may not be important enough for someone to return. Sigh....now I feel like I have to start my quest all over again. This is very discouraging.

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DIY all latex mattress (one layer at a time) build. All suggestions welcome. 08 Jun 2021 13:52 #17

Is it normal for a 3" soft 20ILD dunlop layer to develop dips where my shoulder and hips rest on the bed? I've also noticed that it takes the soft layer about 4 to 5 days to soften up and develop the dips.

I've also had some time with the 34ILD, 25-28ILD and 20ILD setup. That Naturally Nestled branded middle layer firmed up the bed which was a surprise. I wish I had a way of testing the firmness myself to see how the middle and bottom layers compare. The middle layer was compressed more than my Sleep on Latex layers which may be the reason it's only about 2 3/4" thick. It is also heavier and is an inch longer than the SOL layers which are shy of the 60"x80" advertised dimensions.

I'm still feeling pressure on my shoulders which is still causing me to toss and turn some so I'm not sure what to do next. Not sure if I need to put plywood over my 2.8" gapped slats or add another layer. Would 2" of a 15ILD talalay help? I still haven't bought a mattress cover so I'm still open to adding it to the existing layers or adding it as a separate topper. Would it develop dips like my current soft layer?

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DIY all latex mattress (one layer at a time) build. All suggestions welcome. 10 Jun 2021 06:48 #18

The short answer is, no, your latex should not be developing dips in such a short period of time and you should file a warranty claim.

The longer answer is, the softer the latex, the less durable it is. Because the softer layers get used the most since they are on top and because they have the least amount of latex in them compared to the other firmnesses, they are the pieces most likely to get impressions.

Also, expect the Talalay processed latex to develop impressions before Dunlop processed latex does. It's just math, air vs. latex. The 30% higher quantity of latex in the Dunlop processed latex means more durability.

Latex is so flexible, it can be difficult to cut exactly, especially as room temperature can affect its size on the cutting table and thus its final cut in your house. Heat causes it to expand and cool to shrink. So it is quite common for slabs to have a 1" variance from each other.

It does sound like you need more comfort under your shoulders.

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DIY all latex mattress (one layer at a time) build. All suggestions welcome. 10 Jun 2021 08:58 #19

Hi Toss and Turn- Sorry to hear that you continue to have such problems with your bed. I have to admit that it's hard for me to follow all of your various combos. I wondered if it makes sense for you to make a list with the various combos and, if you remember, put down the issues with each. (If you don't remember, then maybe spend a night or long nap on each to see what the issues are). That might help you figure out if there's one that supports your shoulders and hips without pain even if there are issues with other areas of the mattress for other parts of your body.It might be easier to address the other issues after the shoulders/hips are addressed yet I know that what you put under your top layer will probably change the whole feel of the mattress. I'm wondering about a soft Dunlop for your top layer for durability, but I'm also wondering if you need more support than you are getting under the upper layer and if it's because it's not supported enough that your top layer is dipping. Also, is it the thickest layer you can get? I am far from an expert in this! My new bed is in its boxes in my garage waiting to be assembled so I can't speak from experience. So I guess I'm saying to take anything I say with a grain of salt. It does sound like you have a complex issue. Maybe one of the mattresses where you can customize zones would be a better choice for you. I hope you're able to find your answer soon!

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DIY all latex mattress (one layer at a time) build. All suggestions welcome. 13 Jun 2021 12:17 #20

Hi Greyling. The combos I have tried is a short list. All layers are 3".

1. 3" 34ILD med topper on my 30 year old mattress. (Too firm but I did it to try out latex.)
2. 3" 20ILD soft on top of 3" 34ILD med. on my old mattress. (decent but too tall)
3. 3" 20ILD soft on top of 3" 34ILD med. on my new platform bed. (decent but I could feel slats)
4. 3" 20ILD soft on top of 3" 26ILD med. and 3" 34ILD med. on bottom. (current config)

Good point about how the middle layer affects how the top layer feels and curves to my body. I was kind of hoping the 26ILD would allow for that. It's actually doing a better job of supporting my hips than the 34ILD and 20ILD combo.

I was able to get the St. Dormeir wool mattress protector on the bed two days ago. It adds a tiny bit more padding which seems to help.

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