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Mattress for 3 year old - Arizona, Brooklyn, Saatva, or SleepEZ Roma? 07 Jan 2022 19:45 #1

We would like to spend less than $600 on a twin size mattress. We are okay with all latex or mattresses that use other materials as long as it is from a good and trusted brand. There are so many options that I have not looked into like Helix, Avocado, Casper, etc so we are definitely open to other options beyond what is listed below. We have narrowed down our mattress choices for our 3 year old daughter to be the following (we are open to other options as well).

1. Brooklyn Signature - brooklynbedding.com/products/brooklyn-signature-hybrid?variant=32591736274989
2. Arizona - www.mattresses.net/labeforki.html
3. Saatva - www.saatva.com/mattresses/saatva-youth?utm_source=cnetcommerce&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnet.com%2Fhealth%2Fsleep%2Fbest-mattress-for-kids%2F&click_id=1101liHWXPFk&
4. SleepEZ Roma - sleepez.com/products/roma-latex-mattress/
5. I am local to My Green Mattress and Quality Sleep. I own a mattress from them which we really like. I am not sure which mattress would be toddler friendly. Pure Echo, Kiwi, Noelle?

A few questions
1. Are flippable mattresses worth it? Does flippability sacrifice durability and quality at all or is it just a matter of finishing both sides? Do parents actually flip the mattress to the softer side?
2. Arizona seems to be the best bang for the buck. Why do the Roma and Saatva cost so much more? Would it be wise to by the flippable Arizona?
3. As we transition her from the crib, can we place the mattress on the ground or do we need something underneath it to not harm the mattress?

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Mattress for 3 year old - Arizona, Brooklyn, Saatva, or SleepEZ Roma? 10 Jan 2022 09:00 #2

I am leaning towards the Arizona kids bed, Arizona Twin Eco Sleep Hybrid Mattress or SleepEZ Roma as all of these are or can be made reversible if that is a feature I should consider. The Brooklyn Signature Hybrid and Dreamfoam are still a consideration as well but I am not sure which makes more sense out of those 2 options

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Mattress for 3 year old - Arizona, Brooklyn, Saatva, or SleepEZ Roma? 11 Jan 2022 23:21 #3

Hi jbrady3324.

Time travel from 2014 …welcome back to our Mattress Forum! ;)

Sorry for the delay in replying. Your post was put on my board by the team but slipped away when taking care some technical issues for the site.

. We have narrowed down our mattress choices for our 3 year old daughter to be the following (we are open to other options as well).

I am seeing some good choices on your shortlist of beds for your 3 years old daughter. Generally, any mattress that uses materials that are "durable enough" (see the mattress durability guidelines here ) that you would also consider to be "safe enough" and is in a suitable firmness range for their age would generally be a suitable choice for a child. The choice between different mattresses that meet these criteria (outside of memory foam which is not a good material choice for children) would really be more of a budget and preference choice than a "better/worse" choice (see article here ). I am not seeing the common denominator in your choices aside from flippability and perhaps budget.

. 5. I am local to My Green Mattress and Quality Sleep. I own a mattress from them which we really like. I am not sure which mattress would be toddler friendly. Pure Echo, Kiwi, Noelle?

Based on your previous choices, MGM and QSS would be an ideal place to visit as they have a large selection of mattresses for children. You may want to have a look at Quality Sleep Shop’s Emily Mattress which is handcrafted with 1” of soft, blended latex over a firm pocketed coil and foam. My Green Mattress’s (8”)Kiwi Bunk Bed hybrid mattress made with organic latex and wool batting would also make a good choice. I’d definitely pay a visit and use their decades-long experience with crafting mattresses for children to decide what is best for your 3 -years-old daughter.

.1. Are flippable mattresses worth it? Does flippability sacrifice durability and quality at all or is it just a matter of finishing both sides? Do parents actually flip the mattress to the softer side?

In the case of a 3 years old child, the “flipability” feature may not be that important in terms of mattress durability and it is not recommended especially if you select a dual comfort version. A child is much lighter and their mattress usually does not go through much mechanical stress and given componentry that falls in the mattress durability guidelines here needing to flip the mattress for durability is not an issue. This said you may still want to choose a flippable child mattress for other considerations. For example, getting a dual comfort (one side firm the other medium) will certainly add some comfort for your daughter later when she develops more adult proportions and needs more cushiness. Also, for toddlers and preschoolers the mattress “flipability” may help offset any accidents that may happen during this age.

.2. Arizona seems to be the best bang for the buck. Why do the Roma and Saatva cost so much more? Would it be wise to by the flippable Arizona?

Arizona’s lower pricing comes from laminating 18” to 30” cut-off pieces (from Queen of Twin XL) Talalay latex cores into solid slabs. A child’s twin size 38″ wide x 74″ long will have 2-3 of such latex core strips.
Practically there is no real downside to manufacturing such a mattress as the lamination seams cannot be felt and the lamination adhesive is very strong, water-based and Greenguard Gold certified. This Kid’s all latex mattress is almost half the price of their unlaminated solid-core model which runs at $600. This mattress has the same 20 years guaranty, is as durable as its solid counterpart, and is the perfect value/quality for those with budget considerations.
4. SleepEZ Roma - sleepez.com/products/roma-latex-mattress/ is also a very good choice from one of our Trusted members Like Arizona’s solid core model, SleepEz’s Roma is made with solid latex layers which come with a higher price tag. Also, the mattress is 9" instead of 6" which would also result in an increased price point.

As we transition her from the crib, can we place the mattress on the ground or do we need something underneath it to not harm the mattress?

The mattress can be placed safely on the floor without compromising the durability and useful life of the mattress, I would still consider using some sort of Bunkie board or low-profile foundation down the road. This will also help with overall breathability, hygiene, and cleanliness. I would also consider a mattress protector of some sort.

.am leaning towards the Arizona kids bed, Arizona Twin Eco Sleep Hybrid Mattress, or SleepEZ Roma as all of these are or can be made reversible if that is a feature I should consider. The Brooklyn Signature Hybrid and Dreamfoam are still a consideration as well but I am not sure which makes more sense out of those 2 options

As mentioned above a reversible mattress would help extend the use of the mattress once your daughter grows and is ready for a softer sleeping surface. If alternatively, you select one firmness only for both sides of the mattress, down the road. you can always add a topper for a little more comfort when your daughter needs it.
I’d keep in mind that especially when children are very young, they need a firm mattress that allows for free movement and a sleeping surface that is more supportive for the spine.

Older children that have transitioned to a larger mattress and are out of the crib will generally do best on a medium to the medium-firm sleeping surface. Based on the child’s stats (weight, height, and proportions) and with the caveat that children are much lighter than adults and the sleeping surface may “feel” firmer to a child than it would feel to an adult rating the same ILD latex of same thickness, here are some general guidelines.
0-1 infant …. Firm to an extra firm sleeping surface
1-3 toddler … medium-firm to a firm sleeping surface
3-5 preschooler … medium to the medium-firm sleeping surface.
5-9 school-aged … medium-firm to medium
9-12 pre-teen/tween … more preference oriented
12+ teenager … more preference oriented

Children are very adaptable and they do very well with firmer surfaces that support their epiphyseal plate and postural formation. The Signature Hybrid is a hybrid polyurethane mattress and different in many respects from all other all-latex mattresses you are considering. The 2.5” of foam on top of 8” coils would be more suitable for an adult looking for a certain surface feel. Adding to this. they have changed their specs several times over the years so if you are considering this mattress I’d make sure to find the mattress specifications you need to know so you can compare the quality of the materials and components to the mattress durability guidelines here

Looking forward to hearing about your final decision.
Phoenix
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Mattress for 3 year old - Arizona, Brooklyn, Saatva, or SleepEZ Roma? 12 Jan 2022 07:52 #4

Hi jbrady3324.

Time travel from 2014 …welcome back to our Mattress Forum! ;)

Sorry for the delay in replying. Your post was put on my board by the team but slipped away when taking care some technical issues for the site.


lol. It great to be back! This forum is amazing

Over the past few days, I have actually re-narrowed down my choices to DIY and SleepEZ Roma. The DIY option is very appealing for comfort tuning, replacing worn/soiled latex, etc. However, I would be limited to 6" unless I pony up an extra $130 for another 2 inch layer if that will bring more benefits (ex. longevity into the teen years, handing down to her brother or moving to a guest room).

f I go the DIY route, what firmness layers do you recommend for a 6" and 8"?

1. DIY - $560 -$580 with two 3" layers of Dunlop Latex and organic cotton cover from Latex Mattress Factory
2. Roma - $600 after discounts with free pillow and mattress protector

The flippability of the Roma is appealing for the reasons you mentioned (soil, damage, etc). The only concern I have about the Roma is the polyfoam layer. Is this something I should be concerned about? Otherwise, cost is great and the freebies sweeten the deal.

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Mattress for 3 year old - Arizona, Brooklyn, Saatva, or SleepEZ Roma? 12 Jan 2022 14:15 #5

I spoke to Latex Mattress factory and they have guided me towards DIY over the Roma which is what my gut is telling me as well. They are recommending a layer of Soft (19 ILD) dunlop on top of a layer of Medium (28 ILD) dunlop. . Will this be too soft for a 3 year old toddler? Can I put the medium on top without any concerns?I definitely need some guidance on a layer configuration for a 6" and 8" bed.

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Mattress for 3 year old - Arizona, Brooklyn, Saatva, or SleepEZ Roma? 13 Jan 2022 09:57 #6

One more question. If I did decide to go for an 8" configuration, could I do a layering of 3" firm (bottom), 2" soft (middle), 3" medium (top) to achieve medium firmness (~28 ILD) for my toddler?

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DIY Latex for 3 year old toddler 15 Jan 2022 19:10 #7

After a lot of research, I have decided to build my 3 year old daughter a latex bed. I am looking to put my order in tomorrow. I prefer an 8" model but I understand that a 6" is all that is necessary. I'd like an 8" or 9" configuration so I can hopefully fine tune the layering (or replace a layer) as she grows, sleep with her, etc. We also prefer the look of a thicker mattress. But, if a thicker mattress does not make sense given what I am trying to accomplish, please let me know.

My daughter 3 years old, 35 pounds and her parents are 160 & 175 pounds. I called 3 companies and got the following recommendations using all Dunlop

LMF - Soft (19ILD), Medium (28 ILD), Firm (36 ILD)
6" - 3" Medium, 3" Soft
8" - 2" Firm. 3" Medium 3" Soft
Suggested that I can move the Soft layer to the bottom for the 6" or to the middle for the 8" and the medium to the top layer to firm up the mattress.

APM - Soft (19ILD), Medium (28 ILD), Firm (36 ILD)
6" - 6" Medium or 3" Medium, 3 Medium - Add soft topper or add soft layer down the road
8" - 6" Medium, 2" Soft
8" - 3" Firm, 3" Medium, 2" Soft - I am leaning towards purchasing this configuration. This is a Medium-Firm configuration but I worry about the 2" soft layer

SOL - I forget exact, but Medium and Firm are higher ILD than above
6" - 3" Firm, 3" Medium (32 ILD)

Other Considerations
6" - 3" Firm, 3" Medium - Add soft topper or add soft layer down the road
8" - 3" Firm, 3" Medium, 2" Medium - Replace Medium with soft down the road

I am skeptical about the top soft layer recommendations as most research points to a medium top layer while they are young. But both APM and LMF sounded confident and LMF suggested I could place the Medium Layer at the top with the Soft Layer on the bottom/middle if I felt it needed to be more firm until they were older. SOL's recommended was more of the standard recommendation. What does the MU community suggest as the best configuration? Is a soft top layer okay for very young children as they are so light and I would look to firm up the mattress as she grows?

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Mattress for 3 year old - Arizona, Brooklyn, Saatva, or SleepEZ Roma? 15 Jan 2022 23:14 #8

Hi jbrady3324,

. I spoke to Latex Mattress factory and they have guided me towards DIY over the Roma which is what my gut is telling me as well. They are recommending a layer of Soft (19 ILD) dunlop on top of a layer of Medium (28 ILD) dunlop. . Will this be too soft for a 3 year old toddler? Can I put the medium on top without any concerns?I definitely need some guidance on a layer configuration for a 6" and 8" bed.


The DIY in this case is a good way to go to get the best of all worlds. While a soft Dunlop layer will feel a bit firmer than Talalay in the same thickness and ILD. I do believe that a soft sleeping surface for 3 years old has a good chance to compromise alignment, reduce the blood supply, and impair the development and function of the epiphysial plates in a child.

The Merck Manual for Medical Information has a section on Causes of Bone Disorders in Children which” typically involve the gradual misalignment of bones, which is caused by forces exerted on the growth plates as children are developing. A poor blood supply can also damage the growth plate, as can separation from the rest of the bone or even minor misalignment. Damage to the growth plate suppresses the growth of bones, distorts the joint, and can cause long-lasting joint damage (arthritis).”

Unless otherwise advised by a medical professional, I’d err on the side of caution and select the firmer version side up if you chose to go with this dominating layer alternative (The “dominating layer” terminology I used refers to the practice of using “firmer” layers on top of “softer” layers).

One more question. If I did decide to go for an 8" configuration, could I do a layering of 3" firm (bottom), 2" soft (middle), 3" medium (top) to achieve medium firmness (~28 ILD) for my toddler?


From a suitability perspective, this is a more unusual design approach that has firmer materials on top and then changes the firmness of the deeper layers to add additional "give" underneath the latex. This would be similar to a "dominating layer" ( see post #33 here and the posts it links to) These types of designs create a firmer sleeping surface with a much more "on the mattress" feel with some additional give and softness underneath the firmer layers. Out of all options you mentioned this would be best. It also offers the advantage that you can assess your daughter’s alignment while she sleeps and if any slight misalignment is observed then you can move the 2” soft layer to the bottom.

I'm looking forward to finding out what you end up deciding.
Phoenix
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Mattress for 3 year old - Arizona, Brooklyn, Saatva, or SleepEZ Roma? 16 Jan 2022 05:47 #9

Hi jbrady3324,

. I spoke to Latex Mattress factory and they have guided me towards DIY over the Roma which is what my gut is telling me as well. They are recommending a layer of Soft (19 ILD) dunlop on top of a layer of Medium (28 ILD) dunlop. . Will this be too soft for a 3 year old toddler? Can I put the medium on top without any concerns?I definitely need some guidance on a layer configuration for a 6" and 8" bed.


The DIY in this case is a good way to go to get the best of all worlds. While a soft Dunlop layer will feel a bit firmer than Talalay in the same thickness and ILD. I do believe that a soft sleeping surface for 3 years old has a good chance to compromise alignment, reduce the blood supply, and impair the development and function of the epiphysial plates in a child.

The Merck Manual for Medical Information has a section on Causes of Bone Disorders in Children which” typically involve the gradual misalignment of bones, which is caused by forces exerted on the growth plates as children are developing. A poor blood supply can also damage the growth plate, as can separation from the rest of the bone or even minor misalignment. Damage to the growth plate suppresses the growth of bones, distorts the joint, and can cause long-lasting joint damage (arthritis).”

Unless otherwise advised by a medical professional, I’d err on the side of caution and select the firmer version side up if you chose to go with this dominating layer alternative (The “dominating layer” terminology I used refers to the practice of using “firmer” layers on top of “softer” layers).

One more question. If I did decide to go for an 8" configuration, could I do a layering of 3" firm (bottom), 2" soft (middle), 3" medium (top) to achieve medium firmness (~28 ILD) for my toddler?


From a suitability perspective, this is a more unusual design approach that has firmer materials on top and then changes the firmness of the deeper layers to add additional "give" underneath the latex. This would be similar to a "dominating layer" ( see post #33 here and the posts it links to) These types of designs create a firmer sleeping surface with a much more "on the mattress" feel with some additional give and softness underneath the firmer layers. Out of all options you mentioned this would be best. It also offers the advantage that you can assess your daughter’s alignment while she sleeps and if any slight misalignment is observed then you can move the 2” soft layer to the bottom.

I'm looking forward to finding out what you end up deciding.
Phoenix


Thanks for the reply. So it seems okay to move the soft layer to the bottom if necessary and then move back up when she needs a softer surface? What is the downside to soft-firm-medium (top) configuration to start? My head is spinning.

I called 3 companies and got the following recommendations: (bottom to top):

LMF - Soft (19ILD), Medium (28 ILD), Firm (36 ILD)
6" - 3" Medium, 3" Soft
8" - 2" Firm. 3" Medium 3" Soft
Suggested that I can move the Soft layer to the bottom for the 6" or to the middle for the 8" and the medium to the top layer to firm up the mattress.

APM - Soft (19ILD), Medium (28 ILD), Firm (36 ILD)
6" - Medium
8" - 6" Medium, 2" Soft
8" - 3" Firm, 3" Medium, 2" Soft - I am leaning towards purchasing this configuration from APM or LMF

SOL - I forget exact, but Medium and Firm are higher ILD than above
6" - 3" Firm, 3" Medium (32 ILD)

I am skeptical about the top soft layer recommendations as most research points to a medium top layer while they are young. But both APM and LMF sounded confident and LMF suggested I could place the Medium Layer at the top with the Soft Layer on the bottom/middle if I felt it needed to be more firm until they were older/heavier. SOL's recommendation was more of the standard.

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Mattress for 3 year old - Arizona, Brooklyn, Saatva, or SleepEZ Roma? 17 Jan 2022 09:44 #10

So, I have narrowed this down to:

6" - Firm/Med - Add a topper/another layer in the future
8" - Soft/Firm/Med - Put soft layer on the bottom and move to the top when she is ready - Similar to a flippable mattress approach
8" - Firm/Med/Med - Firm mattress and can replace medium top layer down the road

What do you suggest? I know this is an unorthodox approach but we prefer the thicker mattress and would like to future proof the design if possible

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