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Factory Direct mattress manufacturers - Dallas/Ft Worth

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15 Feb 2014 07:51 #51 by KayJazz
Good comments rjar, I too had similar thoughts. My lower lumbar on the 38 ILD was tender. Also a side sleeper. I think weight does play a factor so will say I'm 144 pounds. I am returning today to try the 28 ILD.

Craig how is your custom bed feeling? Any early comments you can share?

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15 Feb 2014 08:30 #52 by rjar
Hi KayJazz,

When you say your lower lumbar on the 36 ILD was tender, how was your feeling overall? Was it tender because your spine was being pushed up and so it was too firm for you?

I'm inserting This picture to show you how the mattress is making me feel sore in the morning. Mainly the middle image is what I feel in terms of pressure, I'm pretty sure it's too soft. I have that 24/28/24 combination.

That being said, I sleep with a partner who is about 130/140lbs and he sleeps to be sleeping fine on the mattress; he's very skinny. I weigh about 177lbs, with most of my weight around my hip area.

With the 36 ILD, did you feel like your tenderness was coming from the last image? your spine was being pushed upwards too much?

Also how did your shoulders feel?

I'm just wondering if the 36 will be too firm for me as well. I'm trying to think the best combination for comfort layers and core layers; I don't want to have to keep returning the mattress! Maybe I should go back today as well...

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15 Feb 2014 08:47 #53 by KayJazz
We are on our way to the Mattress Factory now. I don't think the 36 ILD pushes upward. Will use the pictures you shared when at the store and let you know.

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16 Feb 2014 07:19 #54 by slotshot
Well we have been sleeping on our Mattress Factory mattress for several days now and I can easily say it is the most comfortable thing I have ever sat/laid on. We decided on the 28/34/28 combo after trying out softer and firmer variations and I believe this is certainly the right one for us (both side sleepers).

The above combo seems to cushion and support us without an excessive amount of sinking into the comfort layer. Oddly the biggest surprise for me has been the ease of getting out of the bed. In fact, it is almost too easy when rolling out since the edges of the bed are not possessing the box spring type rigid support I accidentally launched myself the first time. Now that it is a known quantity I actually use this force to my advantage at let the mattress launch me a bit ;-)

Anyway, we two side sleepers found this combo to be ideal, with no lumbar or shoulder problems at all, but personal preferences may vary of course.

Craig

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16 Feb 2014 10:42 #55 by KayJazz
Thanks for the update Craig - good to hear you got the right combo for your needs as it's not always the easiest of decisions. :)

Yesterday I returned to TMF/The Mattress Factory to see what ILD options might be better suited as the 36 ILD (using Dunlop 6"-36 for the core and 2" - 36 Talalay comfort layer on either side of the core) was too firm for me.

Peter laid a 28 ILD on top of the all 36 ILD to help me get a sense if perhaps a 36 Dunlop core and 28 Talalay comfort offered a better PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences). After repeated testing of each bed for well over an hour, I opted for the all 28 ILD (28 ILD 6" core and 28 ILD 2" Talalay dual comfort layers). The 28 gave me that bit of cradling feeling and overall my body felt better.

The pillow options - personally that too seemed to make a difference for me on how the mattress felt overall. I opted for the latex pillows (much better than the foam, contour pillow). I suggest when trying a bed that you also try different types of pillows.

I have read many comments about Dunlop being firm and Talalay being softer, yet I was told that a 36 ILD for Dunlop and Talalay were the same. The link below helped me better understand why.
www.bestmattress-reviews.org/buying-a-la...ss-dunlop-vs-talalay

rjar - continue on the quest to get that perfect latex bed. I should get my 28 ILD later this week and will leave an update.

Thanks to Phoenix and everyone posts on this awesome site - a huge help.

K

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16 Feb 2014 11:06 #56 by Phoenix
Hi KayJazz,

I have read many comments about Dunlop being firm and Talalay being softer, yet I was told that a 36 ILD for Dunlop and Talalay were the same. The link below helped me better understand why.
www.bestmattress-reviews.org/buying-a-la...ss-dunlop-vs-talalay


This is "partly" correct but is also "partly" incorrect.

The ILD of a material is not the only specification that has an effect on pressure relief and the sensation of softness (see post #4 here ).

If you sink into a mattress layer exactly 25% they would be the same but in most cases different parts of the body or different people will sink into a layer either more or less than this. A material that has a higher compression modulus (gets firmer faster with deeper compression) will feel firmer if you sink into it deeper than 25% and softer if you sink in less than 25% compared to a different material that has the same ILD.

It's also not the case that all ILD measurements are done in the same way because they can use different perentages of compression to measure ILD and they may also use different layer thicknesses as well which will all affect the ILD rating. There is more about the variations in ILD and how it is tested in post #6 here .

There is also more about the difference in "feel" between Dunlop and Talalay in post #7 here .

Phoenix

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17 Feb 2014 12:30 - 17 Feb 2014 12:31 #57 by needhelp
so this place has 36i ld/28 ild dunlop only and only 24 ild/28 ild talalay? that is not much of a choice.
Last edit: 17 Feb 2014 12:31 by needhelp.

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17 Feb 2014 16:20 #58 by slotshot

needhelp wrote: so this place has 36i ld/28 ild dunlop only and only 24 ild/28 ild talalay? that is not much of a choice.


Nope, they can do custom, depending upon what you want.

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18 Feb 2014 11:38 #59 by needhelp

slotshot wrote:

needhelp wrote: so this place has 36i ld/28 ild dunlop only and only 24 ild/28 ild talalay? that is not much of a choice.


Nope, they can do custom, depending upon what you want.

what is source of their dunlop and talalay latex? is talalay latex synthetic?
28ild dunlop is not soft. what customization when he only has 2 latex mattresses to try? you cant customize unless you try it otherwise it is just guesswork.

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18 Feb 2014 13:21 - 18 Feb 2014 13:23 #60 by Phoenix
Hi needhelp,

what is source of their dunlop and talalay latex?


Many manufacturers keep the source of their materials confidential for competitive reasons and don't disclose this to their customers but they could certainly provide the type and blend of any latex in their mattress which is the information that would be important to know.

is talalay latex synthetic?


Both manufacturers of Talalay latex (Latex International and Radium) make two basic versions. One is 100% natural (it has no synthetic rubber in the formula) and the other is a blend which is approximately 30% natural rubber and 70% synthetic rubber (although it can vary to some degree). They will tell you which one they use but I believe it's the blended Talalay. There is more about the different types and blends of latex in post #6 here .

28ild dunlop is not soft.


Softness and firmness are very subjective and relative to each person's perceptions. In a comfort layer 28 ILD would usually be considered medium but 28 ILD would be on the softer end of the range if it was used as a support layer so softness/firmness also depends on the function of the specific layer.

you cant customize unless you try it otherwise it is just guesswork.


If you have tested a specific combination then you can use your testing to decide if you need more support or more pressure relief than the mattress you are testing and use this as a reference point for any changes to the mattress. If a manufacturer can also make changes to the mattress after a purchase then you can also use your own actual sleeping experience to confirm that the design is suitable for you so knowing the options you have after a purchase can also be an important part of your research and your personal value equation.

Phoenix

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