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Re: My Essentia.com False Advertising and Lying to Consumer

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07 Mar 2015 22:45 #41 by Phoenix
Hi incognito,

I think people are confusing 2 things?

The bottom core is a latex foam. And the top is a memory foam.


Yes I'm very familiar with their construction and the materials they use as you can see in the posts I linked in my reply in the other topic.

I'm still having a hard time finding a good mattress. I think as long as it doesn't contain polyurethane foam, I should be good.


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14 Apr 2015 02:31 #42 by SleepOnABranch
Pretty slick (read slimy) that on their certification page

http://www.myessentia.com/company/certifications

they list Oeko Tex 100 Class 1 certification. If you read closely, they are careful to say that it's their dunop ingredient that this applies to, not their full mattress. When I went to their site, I thought maybe they were finally trying to be transparent and put substance behind their claims. Seems the opposite is true: they are just using higher standard certification to trick customers.

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14 Apr 2015 04:35 - 14 Apr 2015 04:47 #43 by incognito
Check out this page. They're mocking the Certipur-US program. LOL (I have to agree with them).
www.myessentia.com/blog/certipur-us-chem...-certify-themselves/

The only negative thing I can find about their mattress is the Kevlar used to pass US Fire-Safety Regulations. However, I found out that you can send in a prescription to them to order a mattress w/o the Kevlar material.

Other than that, what's so bad about them? They use Dunlop Latex, Organic Cotton Cover and their mattress have been tested for VOC's and it's a lot lower than "Certipur" standards.

And the VOC's are from the natural latex? So that shouldn't be a problem. Compared to VOC's from lets say Petroleum foams.

Also, they're right about this claim. I fell for this from a popular US e-tailer.
In all cases, petroleum based foam is used, with 2-15% of the petroleum being replaced with soy or cedar oil, allowing the product to be promoted as "natural" or "eco-friendly".


They also list the chemicals used in their mattress here.
www.myessentia.com/learn/the-icky-truth/...icals-in-mattresses/

* Cone essence
* Diphenyl diisocyanate
- an ingredient used in the production of natural latex foam and polyurathane foams.
* Emulsion of Hevea brasiliensis milk in water
* Hevea brasiliensis milk
* Hydrolyzed corn
* Phenol-melamine resins
-used in the production of natural latex foam; this component is what creates the flexible properties to the foam.
* Waxes styrene-butadiene copolymer
Last edit: 14 Apr 2015 04:47 by incognito.

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14 Apr 2015 08:09 - 14 Apr 2015 08:21 #44 by Phoenix
Hi incognito,

Other than that, what's so bad about them?


Mostly their exaggerated / misleading / or deceptive information on their site and prices that are exceptionally high compared to other similar mattresses with similar materials.

Diphenyl diisocyanate: This is a chemical used to make polyfoam or memory foam (not natural latex) and is consistent with the results of an analysis of their so called "natural memory foam"

Waxes styrene-butadiene copolymer: Styrene Butadiene is synthetic rubber.


There is much more about Essentia and some of the misleading claims they make and some forum discussions with them in the rest of the topic we are posting in along with this thread and posts #3 and #4 here .

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Last edit: 14 Apr 2015 08:21 by Phoenix.

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14 Apr 2015 14:50 #45 by incognito
Just one of the reasons I decided not to buy a latex mattress. No clear info how it's made and what's used.

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14 Apr 2015 15:02 - 14 Apr 2015 15:06 #46 by Phoenix
Hi incognito.

Just one of the reasons I decided not to buy a latex mattress. No clear info how it's made and what's used.


That would depend entirely on who you are dealing with. If you are dealing with a knowledgeable and reputable supplier then they would be able and willing to tell you exactly what you are buying and the type and blend of the latex. Of course if you are dealing with a supplier that misrepresents their product or in some cases doesn't have the knowledge to know exactly what they are selling then you can't be sure whether what you actually receive is what you thought you were ordering.

When you make decisions based on these types of overly broad generalities without considering the specifics then you will often end up throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

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Last edit: 14 Apr 2015 15:06 by Phoenix.

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14 Apr 2015 15:26 #47 by incognito
Well, they use terms like "gelling agent" which no one know what chemical is used, Why not just say we use "chemical A, B and C", followed by a bath of Chemical D.

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14 Apr 2015 15:36 - 14 Apr 2015 15:39 #48 by Phoenix
Hi incognito,

Well, they use terms like "gelling agent" which no one know what chemical is used, Why not just say we use "chemical A, B and C", followed by a bath of Chemical D.


I don't think it's realistic to expect this type of information about any mattress material (outside perhaps of natural fibers or fabrics) because it would have no meaning to 99.9% of people that weren't material scientists.

If you were to use these types of criteria as part of a purchase decision then there would be very few mattress materials of any type that would "qualify" for a purchase.

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Last edit: 14 Apr 2015 15:39 by Phoenix.

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14 Apr 2015 15:49 #49 by incognito
Well, Myessentia lists them. Yet they're being blasted on here. lol

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14 Apr 2015 15:54 #50 by Phoenix
Hi incognito,

I'm not sure if you have read the posts I linked about Essentia because if you had you would would realize that what they are saying and their descriptions aren't as accurate as you seem to believe they are.

Anyone can make claims on a website.

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