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Re: My Essentia.com False Advertising and Lying to Consumer

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14 Apr 2015 15:58 #51 by incognito
I also want to add that these sites that are marketing "natural", or "organic" mattress are targeting a specific market.

And those who are searching for "natural" or "organic" alternative would like to know as much as they can.

Nevertheless, I found what I believe is a good alternative. And will post updates when I finally sleep on them.

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14 Apr 2015 16:05 - 14 Apr 2015 16:07 #52 by Phoenix
Hi incognito,

I also want to add that these sites that are marketing "natural", or "organic" mattress are targeting a specific market.


Essentia is neither natural or organic and in essence they are marketing to those who are predisposed to believe certain claims or wording and don't have the time, patience, or knowledge to do more detailed or specific research or "fact checking".

We could go around and around all day saying the same things in different ways but in the end you are always free to believe whatever you may believe or choose a mattress and materials that are the best match for all the parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you regardless of whether anyone else would have the same criteria or "interpret" what they are reading the same way as you are.

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14 Apr 2015 17:31 - 14 Apr 2015 17:37 #53 by incognito
Sorry, referring to post #48. Any and all mattress seller marketing their products as "natural, organic" or "healthy" should list everything.

Because the people they are targeting want to know it. That's the reason why they're shopping for natural, organic, healthy.

If not, then yes, they deserved to be labeled as a false advertiser, misleading, etc etc.

For example, here is a chat log with plusbeds. No Chemicals used to make their latex. Is this true?


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14 Apr 2015 18:26 - 14 Apr 2015 18:27 #54 by Phoenix
Hi incognito,

Sorry, referring to post #48. Any and all mattress seller marketing their products as "natural, organic" or "healthy" should list everything.


You can see the criteria for organic certifications in post #2 here and in the case of latex an organic certification only requires that 95% of the materials in the latex product are organic. Latex manufacturers don't disclose all the specifics of their compounding formula either to the mattress manufacturers that use their products or to consumers for competitive reasons so for for those that want to know the type of specific information that you consider to be important then these criteria would exclude latex as a purchase option which of course may be some people's choice.

There is currently no specific definition of "natural" means or how it can be used in marketing although the NOP has some draft guidelines here that they are working on.

Mattresses can be fairly categorized as either "safe" or "unsafe" depending on the materials or the criteria you are using to define "safe" and some mattresses can promote deeper sleep if they are suitable for the needs and preferences of a particular person but it's sleeping that is "healthy" (just like certain dietary or exercise habits) and not the mattress itself.

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13 May 2015 15:14 - 13 May 2015 15:16 #55 by Polyphasicsleep
Hi all sorry for my english ...

Thank you for creating such a site of quality !!

For over a year I'm looking for the best king size mattress with a $ 3000- $ 5000 budjet

I have a Tempur Original Bed for over 15 years with no sagging !! :)

I always praise this mattress, the only inconveniant are a hot summer and can thereby a very very slight lack of support to the pelvis when the temperature is warmer.

I have been trying to Essentia mattresses, we will have paaser more than 3 hours, comfort is very good, firewall against I noticed that 3 of their demo was presenting the sagging on their side and I had tendency to roll out of bed the hen I slept me on the edge of the mattress ...

Recently I returned to the site of essentia and I think that new details were added about their recipe and they always say their mattresses contain any petroleum-...

"A natural and healthy alternative to man-made oils or petroleum, we use certified organic essential oils. Grapefruit seed, cone flower essence and jasmine essence all help us achieve proper consistency in our natural memory foam while providing soothing and rejuvenating properties to the body and spirit.

Natural Plant Extracts: As a substitution to harsh toxic chemicals used in conventional memory foam, plant extracts such as hydrolyzed corn help us achieve the proper consistency for our natural memory foam..."

www.myessentia.com/company/



What you think of that?

Thank you!

Marc

Quebec City, Canada
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13 May 2015 15:47 #56 by Phoenix
Hi Polyphasicsleep,

I know it's not related to your questions but I noticed your username and there is a great website here about polyphasic and free running sleep that may be of interest to you (although you may already be aware of it).

As far as your mattress search ... the first place I would start your research is the mattress shopping tutorial here which includes all the basic information, steps, and guidelines that can help you make the best possible choice ... and perhaps more importantly know how and why to avoid the worst ones.

Two of the most important links in the tutorial that I would especially make sure you've read are post #2 here which has more about the different ways to choose a suitable mattress that is the best "match" for you in terms of PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences) that can help you assess and minimize the risks of making a choice that doesn't turn out as well as you hoped for that are involved in each of them and post #13 here which has more about the most important parts of the "value" of a mattress purchase which can help you make more meaningful quality/value comparisons between mattresses in terms of suitability, durability, and value.

I have been trying to Essentia mattresses, we will have paaser more than 3 hours, comfort is very good, firewall against I noticed that 3 of their demo was presenting the sagging on their side and I had tendency to roll out of bed the hen I slept me on the edge of the mattress ...

Recently I returned to the site of essentia and I think that new details were added about their recipe and they always say their mattresses contain any petroleum-...

"A natural and healthy alternative to man-made oils or petroleum, we use certified organic essential oils. Grapefruit seed, cone flower essence and jasmine essence all help us achieve proper consistency in our natural memory foam while providing soothing and rejuvenating properties to the body and spirit.

Natural Plant Extracts: As a substitution to harsh toxic chemicals used in conventional memory foam, plant extracts such as hydrolyzed corn help us achieve the proper consistency for our natural memory foam..."

What you think of that?


You can read some of my thoughts about Essentia and some of the misleading claims they make and some forum discussions with them in this thread and this thread and posts #3 and #4 here ). Needless to say I would be very cautious here and make sure you make some very careful value comparisons with other mattresses that are available to you.

Quebec City, Canada


The better options or possibilities I'm aware of in the Quebec City area (subject to the quality/value guidelines I linked) are listed in post #276 here .

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13 May 2015 20:01 #57 by TMASC
Personal opinions aside, I am confused why they say there is a benefit to body AND spirit?

For a company that desperately tries to appeal to people based on science which they tend to stretch the truth on; this seems like a really big claim and departure.

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13 May 2015 22:01 #58 by incognito

daniel@tmasc.ca wrote: Personal opinions aside, I am confused why they say there is a benefit to body AND spirit?

For a company that desperately tries to appeal to people based on science which they tend to stretch the truth on; this seems like a really big claim and departure.


If you're like me, a good sleep is good for the body and spirit. Sleeping on toxic crap that gives off fumes that makes your brain foggy, or on a mattress that gives you backache or pain..... Not good for the body or spirit.

A bed that doesn't give you any type of allergic reactions or any type of side effects is good for the mind, body and spirit.

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13 May 2015 23:39 - 14 May 2015 01:20 #59 by Phoenix
Hi incognito,

On this page ... Essentia says that their natural memory foam contains the following "ingredients" ...

Diphenyl diisocyanate:

Their description says this is ...

is an ingredient used in the production of natural latex foam and polyurathane foams. It allows components of a formula to blend together properly. Our formula is a water based solution. Diphenyl diisocyanate polymerizes in the presence of water. It has traditionally been used for the production of latex foam, some european urethane manufacturers have blended this component with Toluene diisocyanate in the attempt of reducing toluene content.


You can read the Wikipedia description here . This is one of the two main petrochemicals used primarily in the manufacturing of polyurethane foams (not latex) and in particular MDI memory foams. It's obviously not a natural ingredient.

Phenol-melamine resins:

Their description says this is ...

are used in the production of natural latex foam; this component is what creates the flexible properties to the foam. This component has more value in conventional latex, while a zero gravity pressure relieving foam requires less flexibility.


You can read the Wikipedia description here . As you can see this also isn't a natural ingredient by any stretch of imagination.

Waxes styrene-butadiene copolymer:

Their description says this is ...

is used to add resistance and longevity to natural foams. This component has excellent abrasion resistance when properly blended. This component is most commonly used in blends of natural latex. This component is considered a thickening agent and gelling agent and contains vegetal based waxes.


You can read the Wikipedia description here . Styrene Butadiene is basically synthetic latex and also isn't a natural ingredient.

So much for "natural" memory foam with no synthetic chemicals in the formulation.

I wonder how your "mind, body, and spirit" feels about these particular synthetic chemicals or how they can possibly justify the claim on the front page of their site which says ...

We make the only natural memory foam. It's healthy, sleeps cool and in short, is the perfect organic mattress for your modern family.


.. when these "ingredients" aren't either natural or organic

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14 May 2015 11:33 #60 by EstoyConfundido
I recently started mattress shopping and came across Essentia. They have a new store here in my area and I was quite impressed with the feel and everything I saw.

Before taking the jump on a relatively new brand we decided to do our research.

I'm confused by your comment because Essentia uses the same ingredients as Talalay Global does to make their 100% natural latex. I found this link on the Essentia page you mentioned above.

Talalay Global’s site says: “100% Natural Latex has 6 non-toxic chemicals (acrylate resins, diphenyl diisocyanate, Phenol-melamine resins, Phenol-urea, Polyvinyl acetate and waxes styrene- butadiene copolymer) and 3 natural materials (fats, hevea brasiliensis milk, and water.)”

So what’s the deal?

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