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04 Oct 2011 19:19 #11 by jmoss69380

Hi Phoenix,

Sorry for the delay and thanks again for the education. I definitely understand the pros/cons now of purchasing online and if they offer free returns how they build that into their price model.

I'm still waiting on a response by Foamex for the information on their support layer in the Aerus mattress available at Walmart/Sam's Club. I like that I can return the mattress to either store, it's 4lb density for the top layer, CertiPur-US certified, and American made.

I really like the option as well of trying the different layers of foam offered by Rocky Mountain Mattress. Being able to interchange the core and memory foam layers is a nice feature. The mattress with the Aerus foam looks like the choice for me. The price is a bit higher than I would like, but it may be worth it.

Is there any others besides Rocky Mountain Mattress that you like and offer multiple layers of quality foam? I think I'm going to pull the trigger this weekend. Thanks again!

John

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04 Oct 2011 23:46 - 20 Aug 2018 18:07 #12 by Phoenix

Hi jmoss,

I did a quick calculation based on layer thickness and product weights on the intelliform support core and it worked out to about 1.8 lb density. This would be typical for a mattress in this budget range and I would consider this to be acceptable as a support layer. The ILD though isn't listed although it would be safe to assume that it was between about 28 and 35 based on the fact that these mattresses are geared towards "averages" and either less or more than this would make them either too soft or too firm for too many people.

Of the few online sources that I listed earlier in this thread ..., some offer interchangeable support layers and/or memory foam layers to various degrees.

The first group are Trusted members of the site which means that I think highly of them and believe that they compete well with the best in the industry in terms of their quality, value, service, and transparency. They also provide a 5% or more discount and/or a bedding bonus on any mattress purchase (unless there is a special discount or sale which is greater than the members discount and can't be "stacked") when you mention that you are a forum member here.

Christeli are a factory direct manufacturer (over 80 years) specializing in memory foam mattresses, with two of their higher end models featuring latex cores. They have some innovative designs and use good quality materials (including 5 and 6 lb memory foam, 2 lb polyfoam, and latex). and holds one of the best standards in the industry for quality/value, knowledge, transparency, and service. Their 3 collections and most of their 9 mattress models have various adjustability options to cover a large range of sleeping needs and preferences.

Comfort Sleep Systems They carry memory foam it in various densities and will tend towards the more durable 1.8 lb and higher polyfoam in the poly up to 2.6. The Interchange system is a premium mattress for those who want to customize.

Luxi Sleep carries two foam mattresses: a basic and a highly adjustable mattress: The Luxi 3-in-1 Adjustable Mattress (Memory Foam Quilted & Rayon Cover)
Interchangeable Comfort and Support Modules for best-needed configuration and Luxi One Mattress. See mattress specs here .

Mattress To Go excellent retailer in Shelby Township, MI one having one of the highest levels of expertise in componentry and matching customers with the right mattress carrying only high-quality lines (including Memory Foam beds) at an excellent price point.

Magic Sleeper A consumer-friendly mattress store in Pottstown, PA that carries various brands as well as their own make.

Memory Foam Comfort Canadian online retailer that sells a range of memory foam mattresses that use good quality materials including 4 and 5 lb memory foam, Energia 3 lb HR polyfoam, and high quality/density base foam. They are good quality and value and provide good guidance over the phone. Their memory foam and polyfoam is also CertiPur certified.

Nest Bedding (Albany & Berkeley, Chicago, Costa Mesa, Denver, Minneapolis, New York, Palo Alto, Phoenix, San Francisco, Santa Monica, Seattle, Studio City). They are knowledgeable, experienced, and transparent and carry several memory foam mattresses that they sell locally and online including traditional memory foam mattresses and memory foam/pocket coil hybrids (including two-sided) that all use high-quality materials. Joe the owner left a larger manufacturer that had a somewhat exaggerated focus on "green" mattresses to form his own company because he wanted to "do it right". They offer several Discount codes here: to consumers coming from TMU (they will also match any other larger discounts for the members here).

Oklahoma Mattress Company is a great manufacturer in Oklahoma carrying may types of mattresses.

Parklane Mattresses in OR or WA states local manufacturer focusing on high-quality and wide range mattresses and foundations.

Sedona Sleep is a sister company to Arizona Premium Mattress. This is also one of the new breed of "simplified choice mattresses" and is a two-piece component system that is somewhat unique because it includes a separate finished "base mattress" that is made from 7" of 1.9 lb polyfoam which can be used by itself as a low-cost medium firm mattress. It can also be used underneath an existing topper if you already have a topper and the mattress underneath it has developed soft spots or is sagging and needs to be replaced.

Sleep Boutique Canadian local manufacturer in Calgary, AB who has modular mattresses to allow for changing components if the customer needs and preferences change over time.

www.sleepez.com/ The top 3" layer of their latex component mattresses can be ordered with 5.5 lb Sensus memory foam instead of latex for those who prefer the feel of sleeping on a memory foam comfort layer. The support layers are latex and can be both re-arranged and exchanged for different firmness levels. Of course, the price here reflects that the base layers are latex rather than polyfoam and the memory foam is a slightly higher density of Sensus. Side by side split layering is also available.

Texas Mattress Makers

Some of the Non-members that I believe also offer some good quality and value memory foam mattresses include ...

www.selectabed.com/ They are a factory direct manufacturer. I have talked with Dr. Rick Swartzburg at length who designed these mattresses and I think highly of his designs which are CertiPur certified. They also make a more premium line of Tempflow mattresses here which use a very high-quality memory foam which is custom poured to their specs which they can also customize (and are Greenguard Gold certified). They can help you compare their mattresses to other mattress lines (such as Tempurpedic) as well. See post #9 here .

www.foamorder.com/memory.php They are also a factory direct manufacturer that use a high quality 5.3 lb memory foam and an exceptionally high-quality base layer (either 2.5 lbs or 3.0 lb polyfoam which is close to the highest density polyfoam base layer I have seen in a memory foam mattress). They also have an edge support feature for those who sleep with more of their weight concentrated on the very outside edge of their mattress or who often sit on the very outside edge of their mattress. Also, CertiPur certified.

lakemattressandfurniture.com/ They are a factory direct manufacturer that have a range of US made memory foam mattresses that use 4 lb memory foam and up to 2.4 lb base foam which are good quality and have some good value and they are fully transparent about their materials as well. They use all US made foams.

www.sleepwarehouse.com/memory-foam-mattress.aspx Available with either 3" of 4 lb Aerus or 5 lb Sensus with interchangeable support layers. There is a choice of ILD in the interchangeable base layers. Also CertiPur certified.

www.plushbeds.com/memory-foam-mattresses.html They are a factory direct manufacturer and make several memory foam mattresses that use 4 lb gel memory foam along with 2.5 lb polyfoam and latex (in some of their models). Their memory foam and polyfoam is also CertiPUR certified.

www.selectfoam.com/ They used to be a member of this site but their membership has been terminated. See the warning posted in this topic .

All of these represent good value and options IMO. As I am able to talk with more that I believe offer good quality memory foam options, I will add to this list.

For those who are also interested in non memory foam options as well there is a list of the members of this site which specialize in online sales in post #21 here who all compete well with the best in the industry in terms of their quality, service, and value as well as the help and guidance they offer to their customers.

Phoenix


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Last Edit: 20 Aug 2018 18:07 by Phoenix. Reason: Updating to links and details

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23 Oct 2011 18:10 #13 by jmoss69380

Hi Phoenix,

Well, I purchased the Aerus mattress and have been sleeping on it for a couple of days now. So far, so good and I believe the ILD is around 35 so it is on the firmer side, which is probably better for me since I am a stomach sleeper. Thank you again for all of your help. Your advice and insight has been invaluable in my selection of a memory foam mattress. I'll be sure to keep you updated if anything changes, but I feel good about the durability and quality of the mattress I purchased. Thank you!

John

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23 Oct 2011 23:38 #14 by Phoenix

Hi John,

Thanks for the kind words and congratulations on your new mattress. Keep an eye out in the first few weeks for any possible back issues from stomach sleeping on memory foam but if you are OK after that you will likely be fine :)

Enjoy

Phoenix


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06 Nov 2012 14:11 #15 by pnuker

Wow, this is some incredible information you've compiled here phoenix! It really helps me to narrow down my decision.

Now there's one thing I'm wondering about still - how much difference will the height of the mattress make? I'm going to be using the mattress in my RV and there's just barely enough room for a 10", but 8" (or maybe even 9") would be more ideal. Will a couple inches in the support layer make much of a difference? I'm trying to weigh the pros & cons...

Also, I see many of them offer the coolmax cover to reduce heat retention. Do you have any insight on how well it actually works?

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06 Nov 2012 19:33 - 06 Nov 2012 19:35 #16 by Phoenix

Hi pnuker,

There is a more information in post #14 here about thicker mattresses vs thinner mattresses but the essence is that if a mattress is thicker it will compress more gradually which may have some advantages for heavier people who sleep in multiple sleeping positions. It would also depend to some degree on the specifics of the layers that are chosen.

8" - 9" of latex is generally easily enough for most people to "design in" a suitable balance of pressure relief on top and support/alignment underneath unless the circumstances or individual preferences indicated otherwise.

Layering choices would make more difference than the extra couple of inches by itself (even though all else being equal they would make some difference even if many people may not feel it) but the extra couple of inches may allow for options that are more flexible for unusual circumstances or just for people who could tell the difference and preferred it.

A coolmax cover (or any cooling technology) can certainly be part of the "sleeping cool" puzzle in combination with all the many other factors in a mattress that work together (or in some cases against each other) to regulate humidity, ventilation, and temperature. Each layer that you use including the layers, types of material, and components in the mattress, the ticking/quilting that you use, the mattress protector that you use, and the sheets and bedding can either add to or detract from the sleeping temperature of a mattress. There is more about sleeping cool in post #2 here .

Phoenix


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Last Edit: 06 Nov 2012 19:35 by Phoenix.

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09 Nov 2012 17:46 #17 by DebbieK

Hi there Phoenix,
Been looking at some of the online names you mentioned and found your comment to someone about stomach sleepers having trouble with memory foam. Can you please elaborate on that a bit? I am one and I'm planning to purchase memory foam! Oh No! :O

Debbie K.

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10 Nov 2012 01:38 #18 by Phoenix

Hi DebbieK,

Stomach sleepers don't have trouble with memory foam as a material so much as they may have trouble with thicker layers of memory foam (or thicker upper layers of any soft foam).

The reason for this is that stomach sleeping has a risk of sleeping in a swayback position if the comfort layers are too thick which can cause discomfort or pain from misalignment.

Memory foam also has another property called "creep" which is common to all viscoelastic materials. This means that with constant pressure over the course of time (such as the hours you are asleep) the foam "relaxes" (independent of the typical softening of memory foam with temperature and humidity) and can allow your heavier parts to sink in deeper over the course of the night so you may go to bed in good alignment but them your heavier pelvis/hips can sink in too far and you may wake up with stiffness, discomfort, or pain. Faster response materials such as polyfoam or latex don't have this same degree of creep so if you are in good alignment when you go to bed you will still be in good alignment in the morning.

In general it's a good idea to use thinner layers of any soft foam for pressure relief (but especially for memory foam) if you are a stomach sleeper so that you are closer to the support layers of the mattress which can "stop" your heavier parts from sinking down too far (keep your spine in better alignment). There's more about some of the needs of different sleeping positions in this article .

If you are a combination sleeper then the thinnest firmest comfort layers that are "just enough" for good pressure relief and no more will usually be best for alignment when you sleep on your stomach.

Phoenix


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13 Dec 2012 02:13 #19 by 1ch1ban

Phoenix,

I would like to add one piece of information though. I called foamorder.com (based in SF) because I am in the Bay Area and I believe their foam is made in China with the final assembly here in SF. I would have second thought on that brand unless I mistakenly confused that with another brand (I have been studying/verifying several high density brands and it's been very overwhelming).

It also has pretty poor yelp reviews. Not saying Yelp is all that reliable but I would take precaution.

Apologize in advance if my information is incorrect. I don't want to mislead but just want to share this. I had originally considered it since it's in my backyard but now I have eliminated this brand.

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13 Dec 2012 04:43 #20 by Phoenix

Hi 1ch1ban,

Yes ... their "standard" memory foam is made in China and in this case it's not CertiPur certified so I personally wouldn't consider it ... even though there are some Chinese memory foams that are CertiPur certified and are good quality and value.

Their latex is good quality ... although it's not the lowest cost latex option.

Phoenix


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