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Re: Overwhelmed in Southwestern Ontario, Canada

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24 Aug 2014 20:19 #11 by DGow
Thanks for the reply. It looks like I've still got a lot of research to do.

I'm glad to know a mattress doesn't have to be organic to be "safe". I guess I'll need to spend some time trying to determine what I'm comfortable with. My wife originally instructed me to go out and buy mattresses for around $100 each, so pretty much any advice I take from here will be a significant improvement over what I might have ended up with. :)

I'm working my way through the local options and not finding much that I like in my budget range. Hopefully I'll stumble upon something soon. This is turning out to be an enlightening but much more complex undertaking than I'd anticipated. I'll let you know how it turns out.

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24 Aug 2014 23:48 #12 by Phoenix
Hi DGow,

My wife originally instructed me to go out and buy mattresses for around $100 each, so pretty much any advice I take from here will be a significant improvement over what I might have ended up with. :)


Wow ... I think she may have some very unrealistic expectations. You probably wouldn't even be able to buy 4" of decent quality polyfoam (much less good quality polyfoam) with no cover for that and it's not even close to a reasonable budget range for even a "junk" or "throwaway" mattress.

I'm working my way through the local options and not finding much that I like in my budget range. Hopefully I'll stumble upon something soon. This is turning out to be an enlightening but much more complex undertaking than I'd anticipated. I'll let you know how it turns out.


I'm looking forward to finding out what you end up deciding ... and of course any comments or questions you may have along the way. I would do as much on the phone as you can to save yourself travelling time but if you follow the steps in the tutorial post one at a time you will have the best chance of success.

Phoenix

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15 Jun 2019 08:59 #13 by Nananoo
I'm also looking to buy a mattress either in the GTA or London Ontario. I think maybe the product offerings have changed since this summary was created?

mattressoutlet.ca: I couldn't find any Springwall or Boyd mattresses?

johans.com: is "Concept ZZZ" their own brand? The rest are name brands.

www.sleepfactory.com : now offers free shipping anywhere in Ontario...there must be some hefty markups to support this, right?

I wish Sudbury was closer, North Star Bedding sounds perfect: www.northernontariobusiness.com/regional...rs-to-quality-367704

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16 Jun 2019 00:55 - 16 Jun 2019 00:56 #14 by Phoenix
Hi Nananoo,

Welcome to the forum :).

Thanks for the post. I will try to give you some feedback but first I have to mention that in early 2018 we've decided to discontinue the provision of listings of potential retailers in various geographic regions (unless they are already approved site members), because of the difficulty in maintaining such lists in a retail landscape that is constantly changing, and most importantly the confusion it was created with the consumer members who incorrectly assumed that these businesses had indeed gone through the strict qualification process and were approved as members of The Mattress Underground. Such an assumption is unfair to both the consumers seeking assistance, as well as the very businesses and manufacturers who meet the criteria to become Trusted Members of The Mattress Underground.

It is not surprising that Mattress Outlet does not carry Springwall or Boyd, as these retailers change out some of the smaller brand names all the time.

Concept ZZZ is a brand developed by Brandsource Canada, as is like their in house private label brand. BrandSource Canada is a network of independently owned retail stores with over 130 locations across Canada. Brandsource is what many people refer to as a "buying group". Good business and very helpful for small independent retailers. Brandsource does not list any detailed specifications for any of the 8 mattress models they promote.

" www.sleepfactory.com : now offers free shipping anywhere in Ontario...there must be some hefty markups to support this, right?"


I would not assume this is a huge markup, the fact is with 12 retail locations in Ontario, they are scheduling deliveries all the time, and I am sure many of the trucks are not full, and highest populations center near the cities, plus more than one distribution center. Safe to say it's expensive certainly, but I would not say they are applying a hefty markup. But as I read their website, they tell us best mark up estimate..."Pick up at the store - Save 10% on your online purchase"

Yes, Sudbury mattress does sound like a very nice family owned business making high-quality products.

Good luck and let us know if you have any more questions.

Phoenix

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17 Jun 2019 03:28 #15 by Curtis0122
Hi Phoenix, I'm also from the London area and am finding it hard to know what I'm looking at in stores. I came across this one that seems ok but would love your thoughts on it.

www.cheapbeds.ca/10-versailles-palace.html

Thanks for the help!

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17 Jun 2019 14:57 - 17 Jun 2019 15:00 #16 by Phoenix
Hi Curtis0122,

Welcome to the mattress forum :).

Thanks for the post. I am sorry you are having a hard time finding the right mattress in your region.

I looked at the specifications on the site:

This example mattress does outline one of the fundamental issues which we at TMU are always pointing out. They do not list any density information, especially in the comfort layers. The 13 gauge coil is a relatively firm innerspring support system. With a foam encasement, not unusual at all will have good edge support.

But it is trying to decipher what is in the comfort layers is the real issue. They list 1" high density and then 2" foam and 2" soy natural foam. The quilt package is 2/5 inches total which is polyester fiber and a soft memory foam layer. Nothing telling a consumer if its 4lb 3lb, 1.8lb density?

I would be very cautious of this mattress compressing too much and "taking a set" as they say in the mattress industry, which is showing a body impression very quickly. I would call or visit ask them the density of these layers? And also be sure to read our mattress durability guidelines before you call, so you can see what is appropriate for you and what is considered the minimum density needed for a good quality mattress.

Thanks, and please post again if you have any other questions.

Phoenix.

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17 Jun 2019 18:32 #17 by Curtis0122
Thanks so much for looking and taking the time to answer! That's some great advice!

Do you have any tips? My current issue is I fell into the marketing trap and purchased a bed in a box (Endy) and cannot get a good night sleep on it. The memory foam loses support in the night and I end up tossing and turning with lower back pain. I'm learning I need much better support then this can provide.

Is there a certain material I should be on the lookout for? I've read a lot of material on this site but it can be hard to fully understand.

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18 Jun 2019 13:21 - 18 Jun 2019 13:32 #18 by CBHWoodFurniture
Hi Curtis0122,
Latex is probably the best material for a mattress in terms of offering support for your spine. Unlike the memory foam in your Endy mattress, latex is highly elastic (i.e it wants to return to its original shape as quickly as possible) and therefore actively support a person's body. The issue with latex sometimes is to decipher between chemical and a more natural latex, especially if you are more sensitive to chemicals. Though I don't think that just because somebody is not sensitive to something that is deemed harmful that this person will not be effected by a certain product/material. For most people the point comes when exposures to harmful substances eventually culminate and then it is usually too late.
In any case, you will not find a 100% pure latex but you can get something that is very close to pure latex (the reason being that latex is like milk from a tree similar to the syrup from Maple trees and therefore needs some other substances to be able to foam this latex milk into a mattress shape)
You will find two general types of latex: 1. Dunlop latex and 2. Talalay latex.
The main difference between the two is the way they are produced. The manufacturing process of Talalay latex has a few extra steps over the Dunlop process. The result is that the density of the Talalay latex is even across the entire mattress so that it provides the same support all throughout the mattress. You will find that Talalay will usually cost a little bit more because of this.
One thing you will find with latex is that they are usually a bit more expensive than most other materials, especially when you get into mattresses that are more than 8 in thick. Then the material cost for the latex really starts to add up.
The trick may be to find a support layer under your mattress that interacts with the latex mattress. Then you can cut down on the amount of latex needed and substitute it with cheaper materials that may do the job equally well, but would not be as comfortable in your comfort layer.
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19 Jun 2019 12:03 #19 by Curtis0122
Thanks for the information! I will be looking to go try out a Latex mattress for sure. Can I get your thoughts on this one?

www.hurleysappliance.com/en/catalog/prod...ht-Top-Mattress-King

it lists
• 4" of 100% all natural Talalay Latex
• 6" Soy high-density foam

Doesn't list the density, unfortunately.

Thanks for all the support guys!

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