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17 Feb 2013 00:31 #151 by Phoenix
Hi melen,

As you know I think very highly of Shawn and SleepEz ... and I'm always amazed at his patience and calmness on the phone.

Congratulations on your new mattress ... and I'm looking forward to your update when you receive it :)

Phoenix

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18 Feb 2013 01:58 - 18 Feb 2013 02:00 #152 by doggus4747
I appreciate all the information on the site- a discount would is the icing on the cake.
Although I am probably reaching paralysis by analysis, I think my wife and I are leaning towards ordering from SelectFoam. We are probably going to take a trip to one or two of the Southern California mattress places listed in the Los Angeles Thread (here, for those interested)

Thanks again!
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18 Feb 2013 05:30 #153 by Phoenix
Hi doggu4747,

I can understand how "paralysis by analysis" can be a danger on a site like this. Sometimes the more you learn the more you want to learn and the more it can feel like it's not enough. I face that challenge every day :)

There comes a point of diminishing returns though where any more information probably won't make any real difference in the quality or value of your choice and where you have to trust your instinct and choices ... and of course what your body tells you in your own testing.

I'm looking forward to finding out what you end up choosing.

Phoenix

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18 Feb 2013 20:42 #154 by doggus4747
Thanks Phoenix.
I'm going out to Flexus this afternoon. Hopefully I will like what I see there.

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25 Feb 2013 19:15 #155 by mikkel
Phoenix,

Thanks for such an informative website! I'm busy trying to digest all the articles you have written, in anticipation of ordering a quality latex mattress. I've used latex pillows for years with great results, and I'm overdue for a new mattress, as my Serta innerspring is 10 years old!

At this point, I'm leaning towards either the Brooklyn Bedding Aloe Alexis or the SleepEZ Select Sleep 13,000. In your opinion, is the all-latex 13,000 worth the large price difference? (I know that you speak favorably about both companies...)

Thanks again,
Mike

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26 Feb 2013 03:47 - 26 Feb 2013 03:50 #156 by Phoenix
Hi mikkel,

I think there may be two separate issues involved here. One is the amount of latex vs polyfoam in a mattress and the second is when it may be either a good idea or a preference to use more than about 8" or 9' of latex in a mattress.

Speaking generically you can see my thoughts about an all latex mattress vs a latex hybrid in post #2 here . Brooklyn Bedding also has an all latex mattress on amazon which is not yet on their main site. I think though that the SleepEz 10000 would be closer to an "apples to apples" comparison with both of them (although of course the Alexis would be lower cost than both because it only has 6" of latex and the other two have 9")

On the other hand you can see some of my thoughts about a latex mattress that uses more than about 8" - 9" of latex and when this may be useful or a preference in post #14 here .

The Alexis is "in between" an all latex mattress and a typical latex/polyfoam hybrid which only has a latex comfort layer and I would certainly choose a mattress with a latex middle transition layer over one that had only latex on top (particularly for heavier people that may compress the layers below the top latex layer more) but I would also choose all latex over either if I could comfortably afford it. It's really a matter of the tradeoff between budget and performance and the deeper the polyfoam layer is the less effect it will have overall on both performance and durability.

For most people though (unless they were very heavy) ... 12" of latex would be more than they really "needed" although it may still be a good choice either as a preference or because a mattress they were buying needed more thickness to accomplish its design or performance goals.

Phoenix

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26 Feb 2013 08:16 #157 by quantumfuzz

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02 Mar 2013 00:37 #158 by dfade
I'm soooo torn...

The Ultimate Dreams 13" Gel Memory Foam Mattress (on Amazon) from Dreamfoam bedding looks great... and at $699 for the Queen size seems like a great deal www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0092UMVEW/ref...1&smid=APCUWEOU23BHI ... (13" Gel Memory Foam Mattress - Three Layer construction: 3" of 4lb gel memory foam, 2" of 5lb memory foam, 8" base of premium base foam)

Yet, the Novaform 14" Gel Memory Foam Queen Mattress they have at my local warehouse for $499, and then starting March 7th, they are offering another $100 off that taking it to $399... www.costco.com/Novaform%c2%ae-14%22-Gel-...oduct.100026997.html (Mattress thickness: 14" - Top layer: 3 inches of 3.5 lb. density gel memory foam; Middle layer: 3 inches of 2 lb. density air channel foam; Bottom layer: 8 inches of 2 lb. density base foam for long lasting support)


I want to get the most for my money of course...but I would also like this bed to last at least the next 5-6 years... Will both of these beds hold up at least that long based upon listed components on each site?

Based upon construction would you expect to be a difference in feel with one being firmer?

Lastly, I really dont want the edges of my bed to just crumble under me...but allow me to sit on the edge and put my socks on and not just slide off due to no support...How do these gel/memory foam beds hold up on the edges?

thanks!!!

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02 Mar 2013 01:56 - 02 Mar 2013 01:58 #159 by Newportblue
Thank you for providing such great information to aid in purchasing a mattress. After I read up on it I decided to purchase the DreamFoam Mattress Ultimate Dreams 13-Inch Gel Memory Foam Mattress on amazon. I will let you know how it turns out!
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02 Mar 2013 03:45 - 02 Mar 2013 03:47 #160 by Phoenix
Hi dfade,

I want to get the most for my money of course...but I would also like this bed to last at least the next 5-6 years... Will both of these beds hold up at least that long based upon listed components on each site?


I don't recommend any mattress with memory foam under 4 lbs ... especially when there is 3" of it ... so for me that would exclude the Novaform. Not only is the foam lower density but there is more of it to soften which means that foam softening would have an even greater effect on durability. The Dreamfoam has all good quality materials so it would be reasonable to think that it would last longer than your target for most people. It has higher density 5 lb memory foam under the 2" of 4 lb gel memory foam. As you can see in post #2 here though ... how long a mattress lasts is relative to the person and on how well they choose their mattress in terms of PPP (Pressure relief, Posture and alignment, and Personal preferences). If someone chooses a mattress that is close to being too soft for example and at the very bottom of the range for what they need in terms of support, then even a little bit of softening would put them over the line and they may need to replace the mattress even though the materials themselves haven't broken down (just softened) and the mattress would still be fine for someone else that still had good comfort and support on the same mattress.

Based upon construction would you expect to be a difference in feel with one being firmer?


Foam density has nothing to do with how a mattress "feels" and the only way to know how a mattress may feel for you would be to either lie on the mattress in person or lie on a mattress where the manufacturer knows of a mattress that is similar that you could test locally. If you are dealing with what I call "mattress people" (such as Dreamfoam) ... then a conversation with them can be very helpful in deciding if the mattress may be suitable for you. If you are dealing with people that know very little about mattresses (such as Costco) ... then you are really rolling the dice and depending on the refund policy and the luck of the draw. In the case of Dreamfoam they have said that the 13" gel memory foam is similar to the Tempurpedic Cloud Luxe except a bit firmer so you could test this to get a sense of how it felt and how well it may perform for you. In the case of the Novaform you would just be rolling the dice and hoping for the best.

In my opinion ... who you buy from is just as important as what you buy. If a mattress you buy isn't suitable for your needs and preferences then no matter what the price of the mattress it would have little value to you and you would be starting all over again at square 1.

Phoenix

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