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Don't forget to ask for your "The Mattress Underground" forum member discount/bonus 22 Mar 2021 08:16 #1661

Hey teenyhoudini,

Thanks for your reply and updates :) .

I'm 5'4", ~225 lbs, and a side sleeper. It's just me on the mattress, but I'm planning on getting a queen because I like having the extra space. The mattress I'm currently using is an innerspring with pillow top Simmons Beautyrest (I'm pretty sure) and it's ~17 years old. It's the best mattress I've ever had, but whatever was in the pillow top layer has long since degraded and I'm left feeling the springs sometimes. The springs on one end of the mattress are almost completely shot and it's only a matter of time before the springs on the other end go, so it's time to find something new.


17 years is a pretty good life for a mattress, teeny; your Beautyrest has served you well! Yes, what you describe is the natural progression of the mattress's lifecycle: over the course of use and time, components will compress, eventually degrade, and give up their comfort and support capabilities. I'm happy to hear that you liked your mattress and hope you find one that treats you equally well.

I actually emailed back and forth with Sleep EZ and they were great to work with, but they also recommended medium talalay as the top 3". The latex in the Bloom had an ILD of 28 and Sleep EZ's medium ranges from 30 to 32 according to their FAQ, so I wasn't sure if that would be an improvement or not.


A latex's ILD range will vary slightly among manufacturers and the main concern here is how its comfort feels to the individual. ILD alone is not a basis for durability potential, as it is a measurement of intended density of a given foam product, and each manufacturer decides what ILD ranges best suit the components and design result for their mattress models. And as we are fond of reminding consumers: only you can "feel" what you feel on a mattress based upon your individual comfort preferences ;) .

The Aurora was a comfortable mattress, but the material on top of it was so slick that my mattress protector and sheets would come off in the middle of the night. A full encasement mattress protector might have solved that problem, but I lived alone at the time and the mattress was so heavy that it would have been a pain to put on and take off every time I wanted to wash it, so ultimately I decided that it wasn't worth the present and future frustration.


Understood about the difficulties of caring for a full encasement mattress protector when working with a heavy mattress; however, if you plan to take advantage of any sleep trial periods, be aware that a mattress protector of some kind is required by most manufacturers for compliance with their exchange/ return policies for varying reasons to protect the product.

The Nest ASH doesn't seem to have that issue, and I like knowing that the top 3" can be replaced as needed. I don't think I'll get 17 years out of it, but being able to replace the comfort layer should add some longevity to the ASH's lifespan.


This is an ideal way to have customizable comfort as your body changes throughout the years, but also to avoid adding to the piles of mattresses that end up in landfills needlessly each day. BTW, are you still making comparisons and how are things going?

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Don't forget to ask for your "The Mattress Underground" forum member discount/bonus 29 Mar 2021 16:36 #1662

Understood about the difficulties of caring for a full encasement mattress protector when working with a heavy mattress; however, if you plan to take advantage of any sleep trial periods, be aware that a mattress protector of some kind is required by most manufacturers for compliance with their exchange/ return policies for varying reasons to protect the product.


Yes, I've always slept with a mattress protector, but the fitted sheet style since it's easy to take on and off. I'm looking at this one because it's supposed to be waterproof, breathable, AND silent, which sounds too good to be true, but I guess I'll find out.

This is an ideal way to have customizable comfort as your body changes throughout the years, but also to avoid adding to the piles of mattresses that end up in landfills needlessly each day. BTW, are you still making comparisons and how are things going?


I am still doing some research on the beds I'm most interested in. I chatted with someone at SleepEZ and they directed me to a store local to me where I could try out latex mattresses that would be similar in feel to theirs. However, the person I chatted with also said that the cover of the 360 hybrid would give it a firmer feel and add more surface tension, so it would be less conforming and provide less pressure relief. As a side sleeper, both of those things are important to me, so it's sounding more and more like a latex hybrid may not be for me. I may go to the store they recommended anyway just to try it out, but I'm definitely leaning more towards getting the Nest ASH. I called them to get some of their specifications and they told me that they do actually sell just the 3" comfort layer for $189 for a queen size which is around the same price point as some really good mattress toppers, so that's definitely good information to know for the future. The only thing I'm concerned about is the 1" of 3lb foam they have between the thicker support layer and the coils. That can't be replaced without cutting the mattress open, and while it won't degrade as quickly as the top support layer, it will eventually degrade. Hopefully it lasts long enough to get a good long life out of the mattress.

One thing I have been curious about but haven't been able to find an answer to, is a queen size mattress inherently softer than a full size, being that the materials are spread out across a bigger surface area? I know there are more coils in a queen to offer equivalent support, but it kind of feels like a more compact amount of materials would result in a firmer feel.

I appreciate all of your help so far :)

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Don't forget to ask for your "The Mattress Underground" forum member discount/bonus 04 Apr 2021 08:53 #1663

Hey teenyhoudini,

Thanks for your reply :) !

Yes, I've always slept with a mattress protector, but the fitted sheet style since it's easy to take on and off. I'm looking at this one because it's supposed to be waterproof, breathable, AND silent, which sounds too good to be true, but I guess I'll find out.


My apologies for the delayed response, teenyhoudini (BTW, excellent username ;) ). Thanks for including the mattress protector link; the bamboo-derived fabrication seems interesting. Let us know how that plays out, including the "silent" claims of its use.

I am still doing some research on the beds I'm most interested in. I chatted with someone at SleepEZ and they directed me to a store local to me where I could try out latex mattresses that would be similar in feel to theirs. However, the person I chatted with also said that the cover of the 360 hybrid would give it a firmer feel and add more surface tension, so it would be less conforming and provide less pressure relief. As a side sleeper, both of those things are important to me, so it's sounding more and more like a latex hybrid may not be for me.


You may want to review this recent Sleep EZ post response regarding their covers:

"Please keep in mind that we ship our mattress covers out to be quite tight, because we understand that the cover will break in a bit over the first 2 months. As the cover breaks in, the fabric and stitching will relax and once that happens, you will sink into the mattress more, making for a softer feel and more pressure relief"

I may go to the store they recommended anyway just to try it out, but I'm definitely leaning more towards getting the Nest ASH. I called them to get some of their specifications and they told me that they do actually sell just the 3" comfort layer for $189 for a queen size which is around the same price point as some really good mattress toppers, so that's definitely good information to know for the future. The only thing I'm concerned about is the 1" of 3lb foam they have between the thicker support layer and the coils. That can't be replaced without cutting the mattress open, and while it won't degrade as quickly as the top support layer, it will eventually degrade. Hopefully it lasts long enough to get a good long life out of the mattress.


NB's 1" SmartFlow Support Foam's 3lb. density is well within the highest grade of polyfoam , ensuring that it should have a longer useful life in its role as a transition layer in the mattress. HD/ HR foams are often used between the upper comfort layers and support core in this manner and serve as a buffer, adding another inch of foam between the comfort materials and the mattress's support area. Unless you're working with a DIY setup, a transition layer of any material is generally glued to the support base and to your point, non-replaceable.

One thing I have been curious about but haven't been able to find an answer to, is a queen size mattress inherently softer than a full size, being that the materials are spread out across a bigger surface area? I know there are more coils in a queen to offer equivalent support, but it kind of feels like a more compact amount of materials would result in a firmer feel.


If there is any "feel" difference across the area of a full vs. a queen, it would be more in the sense of being more "luxurious" and spacious and not necessarily that either is softer than the other. Also, the user involved will perceive the two sizes differently, as age, body type, sleep positions, etc. combined are part of the overall experience.

You're doing a good job with your showroom visits, teenyhoudini; any news on your findings?

Thanks,
Sensei
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Don't forget to ask for your "The Mattress Underground" forum member discount/bonus 11 May 2021 15:37 #1664

Thanks for your response, Sensei, and apologies for the delay in mine.

You may want to review this recent Sleep EZ post response regarding their covers:


"Please keep in mind that we ship our mattress covers out to be quite tight, because we understand that the cover will break in a bit over the first 2 months. As the cover breaks in, the fabric and stitching will relax and once that happens, you will sink into the mattress more, making for a softer feel and more pressure relief"


I did see that, but I don't know, I think my experience with latex has turned me off of it. It seems to be better suited to back and stomach sleepers, and I don't know that I want to give it 60 days only to find out that latex is still not for me.

On a different note, I've been following r/mattress for several months because I find it helpful to see real reviews from real consumers to put things in perspective. The Nest ASH had been almost universally praised up until recently when a number of reviews popped up claiming that the support core was failing abnormally early. One intrepid redditor actually contacted Nest directly and was told that they had switched to an R&S coil system from the L&P Quantum Edge coil system they had been advertising on the ASH product page (that has since been changed). I emailed Nest myself for a product spec sheet and was told that one wasn't available, but they were working on it. Apparently they have been using the R&S system for quite some time with no intention of switching back.

Now I find myself at a loss. I don't like memory foam, I can't sleep on latex--polyfoam was my last hope, and they seemed like the best bet. I haven't found any other company that makes a similar quality mattress with polyfoam as the primary support material. Do I buy the ASH and risk getting one with a bad coil system? Do I DIY it? I can find all of the materials, but they're nonrefundable if I don't like it, and then I'm out the cost and stuck with it. Where should I go from here?

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Don't forget to ask for your "The Mattress Underground" forum member discount/bonus 11 May 2021 18:27 #1665

It won't let me edit my post to add to it, but what do you think of the Winkbed now that they've changed their construction? There's still 1.5 lb foam on top, but now it's only 1 inch, and the foam below it is 2.5 lbs. Is it a more viable option now, or is the top still considered a "weak link"?

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Don't forget to ask for your "The Mattress Underground" forum member discount/bonus 13 May 2021 10:56 #1666

Thanks for this great forum. I have learned a lot. I'm posting to get a discount code for Restmore Bedding

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Don't forget to ask for your "The Mattress Underground" forum member discount/bonus 14 May 2021 06:08 #1667

As shown on the Restmore Bedding TMU Trusted Member page:
TMU Consumer-Subscriber Discount: 5% off Mattress
Discount Code: Please use TMU5% during the purchase process.

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Don't forget to ask for your "The Mattress Underground" forum member discount/bonus 14 May 2021 06:10 #1668

Hey Horiko,

Welcome to The Mattress Underground :) !

Thanks for this great forum. I have learned a lot. I'm posting to get a discount code for Restmore Bedding


Thanks for the kind words on the forum and for your post, Horiko. Thanks too for considering a mattress purchase from TMU trusted member Restmore Bedding , they are a deeply knowledgeable and experienced manufacturer who provides quality products and excellent service post-sale. Remember when you reach out to them to mention your post on TMU to receive your discount and let us know if you have a specific research question. Good luck on your new mattress shopping journey and let us know how things go ;) .

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