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sticky The best foundations or base for a latex or all foam mattress

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11 Nov 2012 00:23 #21 by Phoenix

Hi HoosierDaddy,

1. I would prefer a low profile foundation and Palmettomattress,com was listed in the 1st post with "low_profile" in the URL. Unfortunately that site is no more. Does anyone know if they have just changed hands or names and maybe has a new link?


That's very strange. I just called them and the phone is still active (although they wereclosed) so I'll try to call them during business hours to see what happened to their website. Perhaps their registration just ran out. In any case I'll ost here (and edit the foundation thread if necessary) when I find out anything.

3. I am particularly interested in the foundations mentioned in post #15. Their web site is apparently out of date and has conflicting or confusing info. I'm waiting to get some clarifications from them but would also like to hear from anyone who has one of these metal foundations.


This is actually a new listing on their site because they used to have the more traditional KD foundations (without the metal frame) and I guess they haven't yet changed the video.

They do come in both low profile (5") and regular profile (10").

These two are the only two low profile KD foundations that I was able to find.

I'm curious what the lower quality issues were that you noticed on the video.

Many of the KD foundations that you see around the web (and many other foundations as well) are made by the same manufacturer (CPS wood products).

Phoenix


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11 Nov 2012 01:05 #22 by HoosierDaddy

Phoenix wrote: Hi HoosierDaddy,

1. I would prefer a low profile foundation and Palmettomattress,com was listed in the 1st post with "low_profile" in the URL. Unfortunately that site is no more. Does anyone know if they have just changed hands or names and maybe has a new link?


That's very strange. I just called them and the phone is still active (although they wereclosed) so I'll try to call them during business hours to see what happened to their website. Perhaps their registration just ran out. In any case I'll ost here (and edit the foundation thread if necessary) when I find out anything.

3. I am particularly interested in the foundations mentioned in post #15. Their web site is apparently out of date and has conflicting or confusing info. I'm waiting to get some clarifications from them but would also like to hear from anyone who has one of these metal foundations.


This is actually a new listing on their site because they used to have the more traditional KD foundations (without the metal frame) and I guess they haven't yet changed the video.

They do come in both low profile (5") and regular profile (10").

These two are the only two low profile KD foundations that I was able to find.

I'm curious what the lower quality issues were that you noticed on the video.

Many of the KD foundations that you see around the web (and many other foundations as well) are made by the same manufacturer (CPS wood products).

Phoenix

Thanks for calling Palmetto. I didn't know any phone number to try.

Thanks for mentioning CPS. I wondered who actually made some of these. Many retailers sell an identical (based on specs and pictures) foundation under various names.

Below are a few of the pictures that bothered me on USBoxSpring's site. If you click on their assembly link you will see its broken, but if you just type it in manually ( www.usboxspring.com/assembly.htm ) you will get there.

Notice the corners are not as well braced (nor smoothed) and the pieces just butt together rather than any dovetail or dado. The video on that page shows it even better. I understand they don't sell these anymore but since it was an inferior (IMO) wood foundation, I worry they may have the same target audience for other products.

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11 Nov 2012 04:58 - 11 Nov 2012 05:00 #23 by Phoenix

Hi HoosierDaddy,

I've been doing some research into some of the KD foundations lately to find out the size of the gaps (nobody seemed to know or at least they weren't listed) and it turns out that most of them have gaps between the slats that are a little over 4" and have 12 slats).

The new versions of the Nature's Sleep have gaps that are just over 3" (I had someone actually measure them). I thought they may be a little less because they have 14 slats but the slats are only 2.5" wide.

I'm not sure how wide the gaps were between the slats for the old versions at US Boxsprings that are in the video but it seems that they may have been in the range of 3" and had 14 slats. I can see what you mean by the rough looking lumber but based on feedback from other KD foundations some of them at least also aren't the smoothest finish or the highest quality wood. It's probably a moot point though because they've been replaced with the metal ones. The person who told me about the new metal ones is an industry old timer that I trust and he was very familiar with them. He was quite impressed with them and told me about them so I could include them on the site because inexpensive slatted KD foundations that work well for all latex mattresses aren't so easy to find). They also have the added advantage of having the flexible slats that can be used for fine tuning if necessary by removing some of the non flexing slats in between them.

The reason I wanted to find out the gap sizes for sure is because for an all latex mattress the gaps should be around 3" or less while for a mattress that has a polyurethane base the wider gaps would be fine.

Phoenix


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11 Nov 2012 09:49 #24 by HoosierDaddy

The width of the gaps and slats are among the questions I'm waiting to hear back from them on. I'll post what they say.

For sure the pictures of their metal foundation are more impressive than the ones of the wood one they used to sell.

I'd like to throw out another foundation that I considered.

Its sold (made?) by Tempur-Pedic: www.tempurpedic.com/Foundations/Low-Spli...ion-116_381-opt.aspx ?

Its apparently a solid box (MDF) with a cover. Its available in two colors and in two heights.

I decided against this because I wanted some ventilation for the bottom of the foam mattress and because I stumbled on a few complaints of squeaking in 3rd party reviews. Plus I always dislike any product that has price controls and these definitely do. They are the exact same price everywhere they are sold and its not a bargain price considering what they are.

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11 Nov 2012 21:17 - 11 Nov 2012 21:18 #25 by Phoenix

Hi HoosierDaddy,

I decided against this because I wanted some ventilation for the bottom of the foam mattress and because I stumbled on a few complaints of squeaking in 3rd party reviews. Plus I always dislike any product that has price controls and these definitely do. They are the exact same price everywhere they are sold and its not a bargain price considering what they are.


While there is no doubt that the Tempurpedic foundation is strong ... I would also tend to lean towards a slatted or grid type foundation that allowed for more ventilation whenever that was possible. While in some cases (such as choosing an adjustable bed or when a specific foundation is part of a warranty) ... a solid surface foundation may end up as the final choice ... at least the tradeoff would be for a good reason.

While there are many that would argue with this and who believe that a solid foundation is "better" ... I am of the view that when possible the choice for better ventilation is a more desirable choice because it can improve humidity control and temperature regulation and it can also create a better microclimate which can be more effective in reducing the odds of "attracting" unwanted visitors such as mold, mildew, and dust mite populations by using non chemical methods. If the slatted foundation is well built and has enough slats then the support of the foundation doesn't have to be compromised by the choice of slats. While a solid surface foundation may still have only low odds of these types of issues in most cases (depending on the environment and all the other variables involved) ... my preference would still be towards a more ventilating support system.

Phoenix


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19 Nov 2012 11:56 #26 by chaoticelf13

Phoenix,

What is your opinion of the King Size Ultimate Dreams Latex mattress on the Sultan Laxeby from Ikea with one of their beds? Is this combination something that will last?

Also I am debating the 3 different king latex mattresses that Ultimate Dreams offers. Can you give your opinion on the material differences between the Ultra Plush, Natural Latex, and Eurotop? I'm 6'1" 220lbs and prefer probably a 7, but have concerns with "bottoming out" on the 3" latex top. Is this an unfounded concern?

Thanks! This site has been so helpful in making this decision!

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19 Nov 2012 19:11 - 19 Nov 2012 19:13 #27 by Phoenix

Hi chaoticelf13,

Can you give your opinion on the material differences between the Ultra Plush, Natural Latex, and Eurotop? I'm 6'1" 220lbs and prefer probably a 7, but have concerns with "bottoming out" on the 3" latex top. Is this an unfounded concern?


Bottoming out is actually a function of the entire mattress not one particular layer and only happens when the entire mattress has compressed to its maximum which won't happen with any of their mattresses. The comfort layers of these mattresses are 4.5" (the quilting foam and the latex) and the latex can be chosen for firmness level so the goal is to "go through" softer comfort layers just enough so that the transition into the firmer support layers is "just right" without the firmness of the lower layers coming through too much for some body types or the comfort layers themselves being too firm for comfort/pressure relief for others. They are very good at helping you choose.

The Ultra Plush and the Eurotop use the same materials (your choice of firmness level of blended Talalay latex) with 1.5" of quilting foam over it and a high quality polyfoam base. The extra benefits of the Eurotop are listed in post #2 here .

The Natural latex model uses 100% natural Dunlop latex with wool in the quilting (which is a more costly component which adds to the ventilation, moisture regulation, and temperature control of the mattress as well as being used for the fire barrier)

You can read about some of the differences between Dunlop and Talalay in this article and post #6 here .

All of the Dreamfoam options are very good quality and value but of course each offers different options that may be more important to some and less to others.

The Sultan Laxeby is also good value IMO for those who are looking for a tension adjustable flexible slat base.

As far as the Ikea beds go I don't really know their quality/value or their strength and I haven't researched the materials (many of them seem to use either particle board or MDF which is stronger) At least they are very inexpensive. I would guess that they would at least be strong enough to hold the mattress and the people on it in most cases as long as the slat system was appropriate to the mattress (which the Laxeby is if you prefer a tension adjustable version over a firm slatted non flexible base).

You may want to try the mattress on a firm non flexing base (or even temporarily on the floor) before deciding on whether you would need or would even want the flexible slats because they may work either for or against you. In most cases foam mattresses (except fot those that are thinner) tend to do best on rigid non flexing slats although in some cases the tension adjustable features of the Laxeby may come in handy for fine tuning. The flexible slats would have much less effect on a thicker mattress.

Phoenix


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27 Nov 2012 13:56 #28 by Bonnie98368

Thank you so much for all your information that you're giving here Phoenix this is a really great site unlearning so much and I narrowed down my decision and I have hopefully found my dream bed.

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27 Nov 2012 19:47 - 27 Nov 2012 19:48 #29 by Phoenix

Hi Bonnie98368,

I'm looking forward to finding out what your "dream bed" turns out to be :)

Phoenix


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01 Dec 2012 23:42 #30 by DrButterscotch

Hello, I'm new to the forum! I've been looking at latex mattresses seriously for a couple months now and your wonderful site has raised as many questions as it has answered (which I think is a good thing!).

I'm planning to go shopping to look in person at some 100% natural latex mattresses in Atlanta in the next few weeks. My biggest issue is that the price of the mattress itself is kind of a stretch financially and looking at adding another $300 for a foundation nearly gave me a stroke.

Is it possible to use the IKEA Sultan Laxeby directly on the floor with the mattress on top or do I need it to sit on a solid platform? I imagine it's a terrible idea to just put the mattress directly on the carpeted floor. I have a decent boxspring right now, but it's a full and I'm buying a queen. My current mattress set sits on an adjustable size frame almost identical to this: www1.macys.com/shop/product/knickerbocke...XZ-rMCFQixnQod0UQAZg

Thank you!

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