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The best foundations or base for a latex or all foam mattress

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14 Jul 2019 09:18 - 15 Jul 2019 17:21 #791 by princessonapea
Hello,

I am in the process of buying a new mattress (looking for advice here ) and with it a foundation.
I really like the platform beds because they don't take more space than the mattress itself, provide storage underneath and are quite inexpensive.
The recommendation in this thread is that the distance between the slats be less than 3''.
From my search, the best option I currently found is this Zinus Joesph Modern Studio 14 Inch Platforma Bed Frame
From what I understand the slat separation is 3.5''.
I wonder if anyone is aware of a better choice that has smaller slat separation? but similar features otherwise (~14 inch height).

edit: it appears that the Zinus bed "ships within 1 to 2 months on Amazon" which does not work with my schedule. So finding another option right now is even more vital!
Last edit: 15 Jul 2019 17:21 by princessonapea. Reason: Zinus bed takes too long to ship

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16 Jul 2019 06:11 #792 by cyc66
I bought a Dormio latex mattress and delivery is a few weeks away but I need to improve my foundation before it comes. My current bed has euro slats so I did some measurements and by changing them to 2x4's I will more than meet the requirements set by the manufacturer.

The issue I'm having is how to fasten them to the metal frame. The euroslats had soft plastic holders and I've managed to print 2x4 sized replicas on my 3d printer but there are a couple of issues.

1. The are not rigidly held down.. there is a a bit of movement left and right and up. I imagine this wont' be a huge problem with the weight of the bed.

2. The 2 center support bars: The 2x4's aren't sitting flat on the bars and I'm worried that the wood against metal will make noise when we are on the bed. Should I fasten them down somehow or use shims? The wood is already sitting level.

3. I really don't want to do this but should I replace the center supports with 2x4's?

I attached an image of my bed for reference
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16 Jul 2019 06:31 #793 by CBHWoodFurniture
Hi cyc66,
first of all I am impressed that you have a 3D printer.

In any case what I would recommend is that:
1. If you made the 2x4s long enough that there is no chance of them sliding out right or left then you should be fine.

2 & 3. You should fasten the centre support bars to your 2x4s (whether you keep the metal or make 2x4 supports it won't matter much). If you were sleeping on our system then I would recommend shimming the foot up so that the cross-wood-supports are level and are not sagging through in the middle. But Dormio may say that there is no issue with their mattress performance if the base is not quite level but sags in the middle.

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17 Jul 2019 11:08 #794 by Sensei
Hi princessonapea,

I know that Phoenix answered your other post, but I wanted to give a quick reply here. I see that the Zinus you referred to is not in stock here for quick delivery. I have purchased Zinus foundations for different mattresses, kids, family, etc.

Personally, I think these are "good" foundations at "really good" prices. They are well made, and one has to assemble them, with Allen wrenches (Hex Key) provided, at least my versions that was how it worked. But whatever mattress choice you make if it's really heavy, I would express a little caution on the quality of the Zinus foundation.

Regarding the Amazon out of stock, not sure if you did this but I searched Zinus Foundation 14 inch and it showed numerous other very similar versions that were in stock.

I assume the 14inch is very important to you? As you know the wooden platform bases from some of our mattress membership listing are usually 6 or 8 inches height, but I do not know every choice available.

Thanks for posting.

Sensei

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17 Jul 2019 11:38 #795 by princessonapea
Hi Sensei,

Thank you for you answer. Could you elaborate on what quality issues have you encountered with the Zinus foundation?

I found another one that looks promising: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B078YZJB4Y/ref...sc=1#customerReviews

This one is made out of wood, and has more or less reasonable reviews. Many of the other ones that I saw by Zinus, and I guess the ones you did also, show many bad reviews about squeaking and breaking. This seems particularly problematic for the all-metal foundations. So it appears that the above foundation, being made out of wood, might be my best choice.

I also found this KD frame kdframes.com/collections/beds/products/n...ariant=1704873328668
but it is quite a bit more expensive...

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17 Jul 2019 13:59 #796 by ADF
Now, about 3 months in the "Latex Juice", my personal summary:
King size, divided to 2X 3 layers of TwinXL 38x80 (total 6 latex slabs).
I chose 100% natural Talalay in various densities to allow experimentation.
On both sides I have N5 bottom, N3 middle, then my side N2, hers N1.
We tried all, and this came as the current setup.
The slabs are 3" thick giving 9" latex + 1" mattress cover = 10" total height.
For costs reduction reasons, I purchased the latex from one and the organic cotton king cover, from another.
Retrospectively, I made a mistake by going with a king size cover: The mattress weighs now about 220lbs, which is VERY heavy to maneuver with, on the bed. I can no longer return the cover (they allow 30 days returns).
I'm forced to purchase 2X TwinXL covers instead (any good links)?
Platform bed here: www.aetnafurniturestores.com/2155224.html
This bed has the Euro slats, 2" wide X ½" thick, spaced 3-¼".
Works perfectly and no "trickling" between the slats.
The bed is beautiful, about 30 minutes to assemble (or you can pay them extra to do it for you).
Problem: The mattress is super heavy. It's really hard to lift the platform and make use of the storage underneath. I saw it before, can't find it now, but there are the same beds with a motorized "lift-up"... Yes, more expansive, but the alternative is breaking your back... :(

All and all, I'm 67yo and that's THE best mattress I've ever had. At any time I can make it firmer (or softer). It is worthy of every penny invested and efforts put into.

I hope you can make use of my experience!

AD

BTW - Before TMU I new NOTHING(!!!!!!!!!!!) about mattresses and beds. couple on months mostly here and I feel like an expert.
THANK YOU FORUM!

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18 Jul 2019 11:29 #797 by Sensei
Hey princessonapea,

Thanks for getting back to me, my "complaints" if you will are about squeaking, and screws getting loose, so I have had to go back under the mattress and tighten everything. Just to be clear, I have not returned them or emailed a complaint or anything of that sort.

Yes, the wooden Zinus does look like it would be stronger, or maybe better built if you will. It is only a little caution I communicate before, but this version looks good, and the "deluxe version" is not that much more expensive than standard version.

The other KD looks great, I don't know anything about the company offhand, but I can do some searching about them. Most higher quality wooden platform beds will cost around $250-300 for a queen.

Thanks and let us know how it turns out.

Sensei

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18 Jul 2019 14:46 #798 by Phoenix
Hi ADF.

Thank you for the great update on the your “latex juice” journey. It looks like all your research and leaning paid off and you are now the happy owner not only of a wonderful mattress but a great match for your needs and preferences,. Congrats on all the hard work! :lol:
I am excited that it is working out so well for you, except for the weight issue, of course.

Your choice of 100% natural Talalay is heavier than the blended Talalay .... so pretty much you have one of the heaviest 9-inch all-latex mattresses around….hence the twin XL covers. You should be able to find different covers for latex mattresses from these mattress membership listing :
I agree that lifting something as heavy as this could be "breaking your back" each time you'd try to reach the storage underneath. I am not sure about the motorized lift but let me do a little research on this. Meanwhile, let us know if you have additional questions.

Phoenix

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25 Jul 2019 10:57 #799 by ADF
Hi Phoenix,

Thanks for the response and sorry for my delayed answer...
I must have neglected to weight issue, while studying the TMU science. Seriously, using a blend as a core, for weight considerations, should be the foundation for any Latex DIY project, full, queen and king particularly.

I "imprisoned" myself with the thought of experimenting ALL density levels in terms of comfort and good sleep. Dunlop or Talalay. 100% natural or organic. No way any type of other foam... Weight wasn't even a thought.

I'm learning now that a 3" Twin XL, average weight is ~32 lbs. I have 6 of those for a king mattress, that's 192 lbs of latex + 20 lbs organic mattress cover... I'm a proud owner of the HEAVIEST mattress ever :(

I got both for a good price but(!) with only 30 day returns/exchanges. It took me 60 days to experiment all layers and decide which one is on the top...

The only solution I came up with:
Purchase 2X Twin XL mattress covers, as light as possible. That frees my high end Quilted Organic cotton King mattress cover, if anyone's interested, it's brand new, PM me. I'll bare the loss...

I doubt anyone would be interested in the Ultra Firm or Medium latex layers..

That's my story! I took photos and working now on a post, in which I'll detail my whole latex DIY project.

Since I'm still interested in the under bed space, I purchased an electric linear actuator (700 lbs power), to assist in lifting the bed frame.

Thanks you Phoenix for the amazingly detailed information on TMU. I read so many of your posts and learned the vast efforts you put into it.

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01 Aug 2019 12:42 #800 by Phoenix
Hi ADF,

Thank you for the message. That is an impressively heavy mattress.... .it's amazing w/ multiple natural latex Talalay, XL slabs....the added weight., which of course would need adequate support to make sure that it does not collapse under the weight of the mattress and the people sleeping on it.

I do look forward to your post on the DIY experience...that worked for you, of course. Very interesting about the electric linear actuator, I personally have not seen this so I hope you can take a bit of time to share this info here for others that are interested in the under bed storage solutions. (Let me know should you need any help with adding a video.)

Thanks for your kind words about TMU :)
I look forward to your future updates and let us know if you need anything else.

Phoenix

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