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What should I do with old, bowed support slats?

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28 Jan 2013 23:29 #51 by Phoenix
Hi firtree,

If you mean a foundation (which is the kind that has a solid top) then as long as it provides a solid supportive and surface then it would probably be fine. A box spring is the kind that has springs in it and flexes.

While it wouldn't be ideal because the latex would not have as good ventilation as it would on a slatted foundation ... it should be fine unless your bedroom is in a more risky environment with higher humidity. The slats will add a little bit of ventilation (although still not to the degree of an actual slatted foundation which doesn't have a solid surface underneath it).

Just make sure the slats are no more than 3" apart.

Phoenix

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28 Jan 2013 23:36 #52 by firtree
Yes, there's no springs, so I guess it's just a mattress foundation. It's light, open at the bottom but has a solid wood top, covered in fabric on the top and sides. It doesn't flex at all. What's the difference btwn a solid foundation like this and using a bunkie board?

Thanks!

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29 Jan 2013 01:00 #53 by Phoenix
Hi firtree,

A bunkie board is just a thinner version of a foundation and they can both use a solid surface or have slats. If they are the same type of construction (number of slats, solid surface etc) ... then the only real difference would be their height.

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29 Jan 2013 02:36 #54 by Ineedsleep
I never thought a mattress forum would exist.This site is more informative than car dealer site.lol
If you spent 1/3 of your life in bed,I guess you should get it right!

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29 Jan 2013 15:36 #55 by firtree
Thanks Phoenix. I'll use my solid surface foundation for now - maybe with the Ikea slats - until I can get a new bed frame setup.

Have a great day! :-)

firtree

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01 Feb 2013 15:02 - 01 Feb 2013 15:14 #56 by pvanheuklom
Wow, what a great site. I've been driving myself nuts deciding about a mattress. I'm 90% certain to go with all-natural latex after sleeping on a futon mattress for the last three years ... and thanks to a nice tax refund.

In any case, I just got a solid wood, Japanese-style queen platform frame and headboard--low profile, so I'm not keen on a mattress that sits up too high. There are 18 well-finished hardwood slats, 2" apart. According to this thread I should have no problem placing a latex mattress directly upon the slats. I have two questions, though. First, will the bottom of the mattress be well enough protected? Second, will the fitted bottom sheet be okay at the corners rubbing on the slats?

As to the first question, one retailer told me not having a foundation, or at least a bunky board, would reduce or void the warranty. Should this be a concern?

... Just saw Julia's post above and have the same issue ... a 2" rim from slats to top of bed frame--so I guess my options are to set the mattress 1) directly on slats, 2) on a slatted bunky board, or 3) on a mattress rug. Any preferences?
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01 Feb 2013 21:20 - 01 Feb 2013 21:20 #57 by Phoenix
Hi pvanheuklom,

There are 18 well-finished hardwood slats, 2" apart. According to this thread I should have no problem placing a latex mattress directly upon the slats.


Yes ... this would work very well.

I have two questions, though. First, will the bottom of the mattress be well enough protected? Second, will the fitted bottom sheet be okay at the corners rubbing on the slats?


The mattress is covered with a ticking that is meant to be durable so this would be fine yes. If the wood wasn't finished and was rough I would consider using a layer of fabric to protect the mattress from any splintering of the wood but I doubt that this would be an issue in your case.

I would make the same comments about the sheets as well but if the slats were smooth and finished then it wouldn't be a concern for me.

As to the first question, one retailer told me not having a foundation, or at least a bunky board, would reduce or void the warranty. Should this be a concern?


It sounds to me like they were trying to sell you something that you don't need. There are some mattress manufacturers that specify the use of their own foundations for warranty coverage but the vast majority specify a "suitable" foundation. If your bed has non flexing hardwood slats that are that close together and there is a center rail in the bed with support down to the floor then it would certainly be "suitable" and probably more suitable than most of the foundations or bunkie boards that are sold with mattresses. The final "authority" would be the mattress manufacturer themselves but I doubt that the information they were telling you is accurate. It certainly wouldn't be a concern at all in performance terms.

... Just saw Julia's post above and have the same issue ... a 2" rim from slats to top of bed frame--so I guess my options are to set the mattress 1) directly on slats, 2) on a slatted bunky board, or 3) on a mattress rug. Any preferences?


Given the description of the bed you provided I would tend to set the mattress directly on the slats because I don't think the other options are necessary (except to add height to the sleeping surface as a preference).

Phoenix

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02 Feb 2013 14:41 #58 by pvanheuklom
Thanks. There is in fact a center rail with floor support in the middle. Think I'll go for the direct slat option to keep my low-profile zen aesthetic.

Haven't had much in Springfield, IL by way of all-latex to test, but I'm gaining confidence (thanks in large part to this site) to order online. I've narrowed my choices to Arizona Mattress, Rocky Mountain Mattress and Sleepez--all of which seem to have pretty good February deals going on. With the 5% Mattress Underground discount, all three have a similar mattress (6" base, 2" comfort layer) within about a $140 range of each other--though only two include pillows. Here's what I'm looking at:

Option 1
blended talalay 2" (med)
blended talalay 6"

Option 2
natural talalay 2" (med)
? dunlop 6"

Option 3
blended talalay 2" (med)
natural dunlop 6"

Any thoughts? Oh, I'm 5' 8", 190 lbs, mostly a side sleeper who tosses and turns a lot and wakes up most mornings half crippled. I understand that blended is more durable than natural, and so option 1 perhaps looks best on this basis alone. Option 3 is the cheapest (but only by less than $100). Probably obsessing a bit, but after three years on a futon mattress and the need to get this right, I want to make sure I'm not missing anything. Of course, I'll call the three manufacturers above, but want to be better prepared when I do ... just as soon as that tax return shows up. :)

Thanks so much for your patience and knowledge.

Paul

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02 Feb 2013 21:52 #59 by Phoenix
Hi pvanheuklom,

Once you have eliminated all the worst choices and are making choices between good and good (and all of these are "best in the country" value) then it's time for me to step out of the way because there aren't any more 'better or worse" choices any more and deciding on which one has the objective, subjective, and intangible preferences that best matches your own "personal value equation" is the only way to decide between them.

I would of course make sure that you have talked with each of them so that you are choosing between "final choices" at each one and then one by one make all the difficult choices and tradeoffs that are part of the differences between each mattress and the options offered by each manufacturer that are most important to you.

A few comments that may help ...

I understand that blended is more durable than natural, and so option 1 perhaps looks best on this basis alone.


This is true in the lower ILD's of Talalay but once you are in the mid 20's or so then the difference between them would be greatly diminished and with Dunlop it's the other way around. You can read a little more about all the different types of latex in this article and in post #6 here . Each of these has a different "feel" but they are both high quality materials and the choice would be a preference rather than a "better worse" one.

Post #14 here has some of the options available in and around the Springfield, IL area and some of these carry all latex or mostly latex mattresses that may be useful for local testing to help you narrow down your choices.

Because of all the variables involved and because there is no "formula" that can turn height, weight, and sleeping position information into a specific recommendation that can take into account all the possible differences between people ... the "best" way to decide on the combination of materials and layering that may work best for you is either through personal testing or by using the specific suggestions of each manufacturer (which may differ from each other because of differences in their materials, components, options, or designs) based on the "averages" of people that have similar body types and sleeping styles.

I'm looking forward to hearing about what you decide on.

Phoenix

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04 Feb 2013 05:29 #60 by jamusued
Thanks for the posting this information and making my life much easier. It is exactly, what I am looking for!

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