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What should I do with old, bowed support slats?

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07 Mar 2013 23:04 - 07 Mar 2013 23:11 #71 by Phoenix
Hi firtree,

I've looked at and read reviews about the Ikea Laxeby and it doesn't sound like it has much "spring". I guess I'll keep looking.


In most cases ... a foam mattress (whether memory foam, polyfoam, or latex) does best with a rigid non flexing foundation with no spring at all so that the mattress and the foam can do what it is designed to do. In your case however with such a thin "mattress" then the foundation underneath will act as part of the sleeping system itself. The Laxeby has the advantage of being able to adjust the tension in different areas so that you can customize it to your own preferences but it also needs something to sit on top of.

I know I'll have another layer in my future, tho not sure how soon that will be. I tend to feel everything and want a foundation that gives -- which I never realized until trying that other one out. I've always slept on firm, firm, firm, which seemed fine for a lot of my life, but not so much now.


Even though I normally wouldn't recommend it ... if the Handy Living really is a solution that in combination with your mattress provides you with the best PPP (Pressure relief, Posture and alignment, and Personal preferences) ... then it's at least a low enough cost that it may be worth the risk and it may work or be worth considering as a short term solution given the rest of your current sleeping system. Everything is a tradeoff and sometimes it can be worth going with a lower cost or lower quality solution if that's the best available for the moment. After all ... all of this is about how well you sleep and sometimes a shorter term solution that provides you with what you want can be a good stepping stone to something better down the road.

This brings another question to mind. I do plan to spend more time studying here to figure out if my next layer should be toward the med firm or plush, and wonder if you feel I should get the next layer before I decide on a foundation or get the foundation first? Right now they're on my old mattress because the solid foundation I have for the mattress is just too hard on it's own.


The most common or "standard design" would be the softest layer at the top progressing towards the firmest at the bottom. There are variations on this which could be a preference of certain people but this would have the best odds of success "on average". The most common layering for most people of average height and weight would be 2-3" of "soft" over 6" of medium or firm (which can be in one or more layers and a single ILD or several). More specific than this though would require your own personal testing on local mattresses where you could test the various combinations you were considering. For example you could prefer a much firmer surface layer than most people and use your current layer as the comfort layer even though most people would find it too firm. There are too many variables between people to use a "formula" which applies to any individual.

Phoenix

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Last edit: 07 Mar 2013 23:11 by Phoenix.

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12 Mar 2013 15:45 #72 by aurorajp
I was surprised to see that a foundation like the Powerstack is so highly recommended with a latex mattress. The reason I was looking into this is that I am looking at the Evergreen from MyGreenMattress and Tim sells the PowerStack to go with it. After all of my reading here I assumed that the spaces in between the wires was too great, but if this is what Tim recommends and sells then I'll go with it if the Evergreen winds up being my choice. Maybe this works because the Evergreen is two sided and the quilted cover on the bottom helps keep the latex from sagging through the gaps. Do you know if that is the case, or would this foundation work for most latex mattresses?
Thanks.

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12 Mar 2013 20:12 #73 by Phoenix
Hi aurorajp,

Like you I have some reservations about the wire grid foundations with all latex mattresses (see post #10 here ). In the case of My Green Mattress though ... it is a higher quality Powerstack foundation and they have upholstered it with organic cotton so the "gaps" would be filled in and better supported.

I should also mention that there is no consensus at all about wire grid foundations among manufacturers and there is no "proof" that one opinion is more accurate than another. For me ... making sure that it has a good cover or upholstery and is more evenly supportive is just a matter of caution because of the highly elastic nature of latex. I should also mention that they offer a slatted foundation that is all wood for those that are concerned with electromagnetic fields which is another issue (among many others) where there is little consensus and many different opinions.

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15 Mar 2013 12:52 #74 by Childay
Great thread!

The amazon platform here:
www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00471AEWW/ref=aw...home-garden_img?vs=1

Looks the same as the one here:
www.mattresses.net/wood-foundations.html

Wondering if this is the same?

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15 Mar 2013 18:25 #75 by Phoenix
Hi Childay,

Wondering if this is the same?


No ... they are different. The first post in this thread talks about both and the Easy Fit has wider gaps (over 4") between the slats and the ones at Arizona Premium are made especially with smaller gaps (about 2.5") to be suitable for an all latex mattress although they are both a similar design in that they ship in pieces and you assemble them yourself.

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16 Mar 2013 13:46 #76 by Cataldo
Has anyone used a Gold Bond foundation before? I just ordered an Ultimate Dreams 13 King and need to pick up a foundation for it. My local mattress guy suggested a steel gold bond foundation (two Twin XL's) for $300.

I don't know what's in it but he claimed it has no springs and is made from steel.

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16 Mar 2013 19:18 #77 by Phoenix
Hi Cataldo,

You can see a picture of the Gold Bond foundation here . It is a strong evenly supportive and non flexing foundation and I think would make a good choice.

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20 Mar 2013 18:07 - 20 Mar 2013 18:13 #78 by vbt101
I've seen a number of posts about using "traditional box springs" with latex foam mattresses (we've ordered the 14" Aloe Alexis). We found one in my area that is a Stearns & Foster Estate King/Twin XL Low Profile Foundation/Box spring. I can't find much information on it, but a few descriptions I saw on Sears Outlet indicate that it is a limited-deflection box.

Does anyone know if this type of box spring (limited deflection + low profile) would be firm enough for such a thick mattress like the Aloe Alexis? I'd hate to undo the good of buying a great mattress by getting a foundation that won't function properly for it, but I'm getting a great deal on it.
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21 Mar 2013 00:45 - 21 Mar 2013 00:46 #79 by Phoenix
Hi vbt101,

You can see an example of a Sealy limited deflection box spring here which uses torsion bars as the springs. They are primarily designed to absorb shock with an innerspring mattress and as they put it to "enhance the depth of feel" which is not necessary or even desirable in most cases with a foam mattress. You can see another example here (not the LTD) which also uses torsion bars. With thinner latex mattresses, box springs that have some flex are also sometimes used to change the feel and response of the mattress.

A limited deflection box spring won't harm the Aloe Alexis and the LTD would be quite firm and your mattress is thick enough that I think it would probably be fine although you could always push down on the surface to test how much flex it has (the less the better).

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21 Mar 2013 15:08 - 21 Mar 2013 16:13 #80 by vbt101
Thanks Phoenix! I was looking for pictures just like that and couldn't find any. It was pretty firm. Standing on one of the spring crosses on 1 foot, I would estimate there was less than 1" of deflection on the spring that my heel was on. I bet if I had a 2' x 2' board I was standing on, I wouldn't notice any deflection. I feel at ease that it will be firm enough. I ended up purchasing it last night for $100.
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