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25 Dec 2015 21:28 - 25 Dec 2015 21:29 #41 by Phoenix
Hi cy5478,

It sounds like you made a great quality/value choice ... and congratulations on your new mattress :)

My only issue is that the matress looked thinner than the floor model, so I decided to measure it, and it came at around 8" with the tencel cover. Is that due to normal compression of the latex when it is being wrapped with the tencel? Or should i contact them to verify if there was a mistake in the order.


If your mattress contains 9" of latex then it should measure close to 9" at it's thickest part (and perhaps just a little bit thicker depending on the thickness of the cover) but depending on the type of cover it's possible that the outside edges may be compressed a bit by the tightness of the cover.

Phoenix

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27 Dec 2015 07:36 #42 by cy5478
You were right phoenix, I was measuring the outside edges, but from the thickest part it does come to 9". I will come back in a few months to give you guys an update.
Forgot in my first post to report that I also purchased from literie provincial a latex pillow, which feels like heaven for my neck and head !

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27 Dec 2015 09:41 #43 by Phoenix
Hi cy5478,

You were right phoenix, I was measuring the outside edges, but from the thickest part it does come to 9".


That's good to know :)

I'm looking forward to your next update.

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02 Dec 2019 13:46 #44 by Gennysleeps
Believe it or not, I'm not used to forums, so I dont know if I'm posting my questions in the right section, but I AM looking for a latex mattress in Montreal! And thank you so, so much for this forum. Without it I would be much more discouraged than I am now ;) What a crazy market.

I have 2 main questions. My first one relates to the percentage natural rubber in the Talalay latex. I read the thread about the difference between natural and synthetic latex and the advantages and disadvantages of both. Because of my budget and because I want to make sure my new mattress lasts, I don't mind the mattress not being 100% natural latex. But I want to know what I am buying (and at the same time get a feel of the trustworthiness of the retailers I am visiting) so I am asking, and I get all kinds of answers. The first one I asked was Matelas Dauphin. They first told me it was 80% natural, then 60, and finally the person who really knew said it was 30% of natural rubber, the rest being "additives". That person told me their supplier was Talalay Global.

Then at Matelas Sélection, they told me that their Talalay latex was 80% natural, and that their supplier is ALSO Talalay Global. Is this possible? I read in another post that the blends are usually 30 NR/70 SBR. Do Talalay Global make different percentages in their blends? I even wrote to Talalay Global directly with this question and they were very evasive in their response. I mean, there is no way for me to verify the validity of what Matelas Sélection is saying. I do prefer their mattress, especially because they have more choice of firmness for the comfort layer (Dauphin only has 2: one with just a 6" 36 ILD, the other one with a 6" 36 ILD and a 2" 19 ILD comfort layer. I like the in-between for the comfort layer, like 28 ILD.) They also have a cover with a zipper in case you want to change the firmness of the layer. But the matress is more expansive, and I would have to take the hybrid (6" high density foam and 3" latex on top). They say their foam is excellent quality, from Belgium. Their customer service seems to be really good too.

Then at Literie Laurier, they say their supplier is better, Vita Talalay. Is their latex really better quality? At Literie Provinciale, they say their latex is 100% natural but their prices are a bit lower so I am skeptical... They also seem to have had problems with their customer service in the last few years.

My last question is: is the 5% rebate supposed to be valid in retailers of this list here? (#276): www.themattressunderground.com/mattress-...it=15&start=270#3912

Again, thank you so much for this forum and for your help in this jungle of mattress shopping!

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03 Dec 2019 08:30 #45 by Gennysleeps
I re-read the guidelines and it answered my last question! :)

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03 Dec 2019 15:47 #46 by Sensei
Hey Gennysleeps,

Thanks for joining the TMU Forum :) ! Thanks too for your kind words, good to know that you find the resources here useful.

My first (question) relates to the percentage natural rubber in the Talalay latex. I read the thread about the difference between natural and synthetic latex and the advantages and disadvantages of both. Because of my budget and because I want to make sure my new mattress lasts, I don't mind the mattress not being 100% natural latex. But I want to know what I am buying (and at the same time get a feel of the trustworthiness of the retailers I am visiting so I am asking, and I get all kinds of answers.


This is a good question as there is often confusion between "latex" the natural rubber from a rubber tree and "Talalay" the blended process of manufacturing latex as a mattress component. Talalay Global, located in Shelton, CT is an international supplier of Talalay Latex, providing cores, toppers, pillows and other components to mattress manufacturers worldwide. They produce 3 recognized formulations: (1) a "standard" synthetic blend, 30NR /70 SBR, consisting of roughly 30% natural rubber combined with 70% synthetic rubber or "SBR"; (2) a "natural" blend formulation for the growing category of "Natural" components, featuring 100% natural rubber with no "SBR"; or (3) a "custom" blend, the ability to create any variety of natural/ synthetic combinations by manufacturer request. This type process is generally cost-prohibitive to most manufacturers as nearly 80% of the component business falls into the "standard synthetic" blend category.

Then at Matelas Sélection, they told me that their Talalay latex was 80% natural, and that their supplier is ALSO Talalay Global. Is this possible? I read in another post that the blends are usually 30 NR/70 SBR. Do Talalay Global make different percentages in their blends?


Referring back to the above mentioned 3 formulations/ point 2, it is possible that Matelas Sélection carries something closer to a "natural blend" formulation, just visited their web site and they have more of a "natural" product story, but this is merely speculation as I have no way to verify this as fact.

Then at Literie Laurier, they say their supplier is better, Vita Talalay. Is their latex really better quality?


Both Talalay Global and Vita Talalay would feel that each has a superior product; perhaps we turn this one over to the TMU consumers and ask what their experiences have been…

My last question is: is the 5% rebate supposed to be valid in retailers of this list here? (#276): www.themattressunderground.com/mattress-...it=15&start=270#3912


Read your latest post and saw you found this answer earlier ;). Glad that you feel the Trusted Member Guidelines are helpful and looking forward to hearing about your mattress purchase decision, keep us updated :) .

Thanks,
Sensei

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04 Dec 2019 07:44 #47 by Gennysleeps
Thanks so much Sensei for your reply, it helps a lot.

I think Matelas Sélection seem to be trustworthy, so I think I'm going to go with them. I made a mistake (if I go with the foam support layer instead of all latex): I said their foam was HD but they say it's HR. I don't understand though, they say it has a "comfort factor" of 3, but they say density is "more than 2.3 lbs/cu.ft". Isn't density supposed to be 2.5lbs/cu.ft or more to be considered HR?

Thank you again for your help! Yes, I will absolutely let you know what I decide.

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05 Dec 2019 15:56 #48 by Sensei
Hey Gennysleeps,

Glad to have been of help earlier :) .

I think Matelas Sélection seem to be trustworthy, so I think I'm going to go with them. I made a mistake (if I go with the foam support layer instead of all latex): I said their foam was HD but they say it's HR. I don't understand though, they say it has a "comfort factor" of 3, but they say density is "more than 2.3 lbs/cu.ft". Isn't density supposed to be 2.5lbs/cu.ft or more to be considered HR?


Just curious, which of their mattresses are you considering? According to the Matelas Sélection site, I do see that they describe their composite mattresses as having "high quality and high resilience 6-inch soybean oil based Ecologix foam foundation with a density rating superior to 2.3 lbs/ cu ft" and "the open cell structure of the foam used in the foundation of this mattress has a comfort rating of 3 (In comparison, the vast majority of conventional foams use a rating of 2)."

Regarding "High Density/ HD" and "High Resilience/ HR" numbers, these are density measurements referring to polyurethane foams. Poly-foams can be used as a base layer in mattresses instead of traditional innerspring coils. Whether the poly-foam is "HR" or "HD", it is still less dense than a latex or memory foam layer and as a synthetic component it would degrade over time more quickly than a latex mattress.

Cheers,
Sensei

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