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a latex mattress in montreal, canada 19 Jun 2020 09:51 #51

Hi

I thought I'd share my experience shopping around for a king size latex mattress in Montreal based on a few places named in @Phoenix's post .

Matelas Dauphin: Good service at the location I went to, $2 200 for a 6" Dunlop with ILD 36. Only one firmness available. Also available is a 6" 36 ILD + 2" 19 ILD also in Dunlop, also non customizable for $2 800. I found the first one ok, but the second one too soft.

Matelas Siesta: Good service as well. 2 200$ for a 6" Dunlop with ILD somewhere around 36 (they have their own numbering system and weren't able to really confirm ILD). Again no option to customize the firmness that much, tried two other options which were way too firm or way to soft for me.

Literie Provinciale: Only called but friendly service over the phone. $2 250 for a 6" 36 ILD + 2" 19 ILD 100% Natural Talalay. Seems inexpensive for an 8" 100% Natural Talalay so I'm a bit skeptical on quality. Haven'T tried it but I'm pretty sure the 19 ILD will be too soft for us.

Matelas Sélection: Most knowledgeable and helpful service. $3 340 for a 100% Natural Talalay with 6" 40 ILD core + 2" 28 ILD topper. It was definitely the most comfortable mattress, but also the most expensive by quite a margin. Their latex is 5.25 lbs density, maybe that explains the higher price?

If Matelas Selection would be under 3k I would definitely get that one as the comfort was great, but I'm wondering if it's worth the 1k+ premium. With tax the mattress comes close to $4 000!

Does anyone know of another shop that can customize Talalay firmness with more competitive prices? Is the value of Matelas Selection at 4k worth it and I can't expect to get much lower than that for customizable firmness in 8" Talalay?

Also, it was quite amusing to hear each shop defending how Dunlop or Talalay is THE way to go and the other one was bad based on what they were selling :lol:

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a latex mattress in montreal, canada 19 Jun 2020 15:48 #52

Hey mksleep,

Welcome to The Mattress Underground :) ! Thanks for your question.

Does anyone know of another shop that can customize Talalay firmness with more competitive prices? Is the value of Matelas Selection at 4k worth it and I can't expect to get much lower than that for customizable firmness in 8" Talalay?


Happy to hear that Phoenix's suggestions were helpful to you! Want to thank you too for sharing your comprehensive Montreal-based shopping research with other TMU consumer subscribers, we have many questions about Canadian mattress options and updated information is always appreciated. As you've already investigated TMU suggestions for local store visits, have you considered contacting any of our trusted members?

Here is a listing of Canadian and US manufacturers/retailers who are Trusted Members of our site that carry Latex or all Latex mattresses and ship across Canada that you may wish to consider. They are very seasoned in providing good guidance over the phone and fitting their customers with a suitable product in terms of comfort/support needs.
MFC , Canadian online retailer with a very good selection of latex mattresses and hybrids that close to your budget range.
Restmore Bedding , Canadian manufacturer with a large array of mattress choices latex/ pocket coil, hybrid, springs. They are based in Winnipeg, but you can place an order over the phone.
Dormio , Canadian manufacturer specializing in organic/natural latex mattresses with options that fit all budget ranges.
SnugSleep , has a factory and showroom in North Vancouver, Canada carrying natural latex mattress products.

Also, it was quite amusing to hear each shop defending how Dunlop or Talalay is THE way to go and the other one was bad based on what they were selling


Yes; the debate on the virtues of Dunlop vs Talalay latex is an ongoing conversation. Each of these latex manufacturing processes yield unique properties in terms of their feel, responsiveness and support. For those consumers who are interested, Phoenix's article, "Mattress Comfort Layers" discusses the general differences in the manufacturing of various foams, while the article "Mattress Comfort Layers" focuses on Dunlop and Talalay latex foam properties. TMU trusted member manufacturers use their many years of component expertise and consumer response when designing their products and are skilled at pairing the more appropriate latex layering based on a consumer's preferences/ PPP. Needless to say, both are quality comfort layer materials and the choice of one over the other is entirely a matter of individual preference.

Looking forward to hearing what others have to say and more of your future updates ;) .

Thanks,
Sensei
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a latex mattress in montreal, canada 19 Jun 2020 19:21 #53

We bought a king size latex mattress from Literie Provinciale in 2015. We love it. The softer top layer means no pressure points. When we sleep elsewhere, I always get aches and look forward to getting back to my bed. No regrets, very good quality. We had also bought a queen size for my daughter and she loves it too.

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a latex mattress in montreal, canada 19 Jun 2020 19:22 #54

Thanks Sensei, I got so much from reading this site and I felt like I had to give back in a way :)

I checked out the Canadian members' websites but I prefer to shop locally. I might reach out to a few to get a better sense of what can be done out of province, doesn't hurt to ask!

I have a few questions regarding density and firmness. From what I understand, a higher density means longer durability and higher quality (I may be wrong, please tell me if that's the case). but I have no idea how to interpret the density number. Can you tell me if 5.25lbs is a good density for Talalay latex foam? What's the typical range for Talalay? Is it similar to Dunlop? How does a 4 lbs density differ from a 6 lbs density? Is that number even important and relevant to ask when shopping around?

Thanks for your help!

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a latex mattress in montreal, canada 21 Jun 2020 14:08 #55

Hey mksleep,

Thanks Sensei, I got so much from reading this site and I felt like I had to give back in a way


Consumer contributions, in particular citing current mattress specs and pricing, are helpful to the forum and much appreciated; thanks again for the good work, mksleep :) .

I have a few questions regarding density and firmness. From what I understand, a higher density means longer durability and higher quality (I may be wrong, please tell me if that's the case).


Latex comfort/ support layers are only partially an indicator of mattress durability, the quality and choice of all components combined contribute to the longevity of a mattress as explored in Phoenix's "Mattress Durability: How Long Will a Mattress Last?" . A person's BMI plays a role in material choice; BMI ranges under 30 require a different comfort/ support system than those BMI ranges of 30+. Density in itself is not an indicator of "quality", more a measurement of the latex's mass.

but I have no idea how to interpret the density number. Can you tell me if 5.25lbs is a good density for Talalay latex foam? What's the typical range for Talalay? Is it similar to Dunlop?


For other consumers following your research, a read of Phoenix's "Latex: Pros and Cons" , "Mattress Comfort Layers: Latex Foam" and "Mattress Support Cores: Latex" are good resources for getting acquainted with the differences in these two latex manufacturing processes. You may find this information from Phoenix's post #2, "Likelihood same Dunlop product is labeled differently (by ILD and "firmness")?" , here are highlights as they relate to your question:

Here are some densities for Talalay Global's blended Talalay (these are accurate within the tolerance of TG blended Talalay) ...
14 ILD ... 2.5 lbs/ft3
19 ILD ... 3.0 lbs/ft3
24 ILD ... 3.4 lbs/ft3
28 ILD ... 3.7 lbs/ft3
32 ILD ... 4.0 lbs/ft3
36 ILD ... 4.3 lbs/ft3
40 ILD ... 4.7 lbs/ft3
44 ILD ... 5.0 lbs/ft3

And some rough guidelines that I believe would apply to manufacturers producing similar densities of 100% natural latex and don't take into account the firmer feel of Dunlop:
EXTRA SOFT 16-18 ... 4.05pcf (64.9 kg/m3)
SOFT 19-22 ... 4.36pcf (69.8 kg/m3)
MEDIUM 23-27 ... 4.67pcf (74.8 kg/m3)
MEDIUM FIRM 28-33 ... 4.98pcf (79.8 kg/m3)
FIRM 34-38 ... 5.30pcf (84.9 kg/m3)
EXTRA FIRM 39-44 ... 5.61pcf (89.9 kg/M3)
X-EXTRA FIRM 45-49 ... 5.92pcf (94.8 kg/m3)

How does a 4 lbs density differ from a 6 lbs density? Is that number even important and relevant to ask when shopping around?


A discussion of latex density would not be as meaningful as understanding your personal sleeping preference and needs. How you "feel" on a mattress is unique to you and the more clearly you can explain those details, the closer you will be to finding the right mattress for you. For more thoughts on that subject, review article "Your Sleep Style, Preferences and Statistics" . As you continue your research, article "Five Steps to Your Perfect Mattress" will help form more questions for discussion. A truly knowledgeable and transparent manufacturer/ retailer, such as the many fine TMU trusted members will also offer their knowledge and expertise to help guide you through the mattress selection process. Hope my response isn't too long-winded as you already have put a great deal of time and energy in your process… ;)

Thanks,
Sensei
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a latex mattress in montreal, canada 07 Jul 2020 05:30 #56

Just a follow-up on our shopping.

We ended up contacting Dormio from the trusted members list but they only have Dunlop and after trying many mattresses we realized we prefer Talalay.

We also visited to Literie Provinciale based on the recommendations in this thread. They had a great price for their king size 6" 36 ILD All Natural Talalay of 2000$ which was the most comfortable out of their selection for us and the service was very good too.

In the end, we decided to go with Matelas Selection even if it was pricier. Our deciding factors were:
1. The service was superb
2. They really customized the mattress to our needs which most other manufacturers couldn't do
3. They're local :)

No other mattress we tried felt remotely close to theirs in terms of comfort for us. It's well worth the premium!

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a latex mattress in montreal, canada 07 Jul 2020 06:21 #57

mksleep - Congrats on your decision and going with the mattress you felt was superior to all others in comfort and quality from a local seller you trust. As the saying goes... "Quality is remembered long after price is forgotten." Hope that it serves you well and I look forward to your further impressions once you settle in with it.

- Bill

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a latex mattress in montreal, canada 30 Jul 2020 08:30 #58

I also live in Montreal, and started shopping for a latex queen mattress after sleeping on one during my vacations. I always sleep on the side, and the support has been extremely comfortable on that latex mattress I had for a few days while on vacation.

I read this thread, and the choice in Montreal is seems overwhelming. Lots of vendors, each having a great variety of options.

Also, it seems like good quality latex mattresses bought locally are not on the cheap side (over 2000 CAD, and probably gotta add about 15% taxes).

I have been considering buying from a cheaper source, sleeponlatex.com. They seem have a very good reputation on this forum. Their queen mattress sells for 800 USD. Then of course, there is the shipping cost to Canada (198 USD), taxes and duties (157 USD). That makes the total cost 1154 USD, or 1550 CAD. Still significantly cheaper than local manufacturers and vendors.

One thing I like about this manufacturer is that they have streamlined the options. They now have one single version (8”), and they have sort of “merged” their medium and soft options. As they told me:

“We very recently discontinued the Soft density mattress. When our company first started, the Medium mattress was firmer than how it feels now; and there was a lot of customer feedback that it was firmer than expected. So we softened up the Medium mattress; but we got to a point where the Medium mattress and the Soft mattress were pretty close in feel. Since the firmness adjustment to the Medium mattress, it has become our best seller; and since the Medium and Soft mattress were so close together in feeling, we decided to just phase out the Soft mattress altogether. We've also come to the conclusion that we'd rather have people choose a mattress that is a little too firm and soften it up with a topper. If you go too soft with a mattress, it's a bit tricky trying to firm it up with a Firm topper; and customers were often asking to firm up their Soft mattress.”

That makes the choice, when buying remote without trying the product, much more easy, and that is something I like, it avoids going down the path of analysis paralysis.

Of course, there is one risk: if I don’t like the mattress, they provided options to get rid of the mattress for free, but I would only get refund for the product cost (800 USD, or 1075 CAD). The shipping, taxes and duties cost (355 USD, or 476 CAD) would be lost.

I would like to hear your thoughts about this...?

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a latex mattress in montreal, canada 30 Jul 2020 19:08 #59

Hi Befor
I would definitely BUY LOCAL...I agree with Sweetdreams: « Buy from a seller you trust.... "Quality is remembered long after price is forgotten."» Buying a mattress is no easy task. I spent a few months doing research (blogs, forums...stores) so I would'nt go wrong. There are lot's of choices in the city. I bought a 9" 100% talalay latex mattress at Literie Laurier in 2012. One of the best buy of my life. It's still so comfy ...heavenly. Absolutely no regrets
Cheers
Zeff

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