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02 Jan 2019 12:50 #371 by Phoenix
Hi thaliadaniels.

Glad to be of assistance.! :)

I have removed the pet bed link from your post as is against the rules of our forum here .

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20 Jan 2019 14:59 - 20 Jan 2019 15:02 #372 by Dom12
We bought a Casper queen mattress from Costco, which is the 12" version of their standard mattress. While it's much more comfortable than our old brand-name coil-spring mattress, after a few nights, we think it may be too firm for our liking.

For myself (male, 6'2", 200lb), it feels firmer than I would like initially, but I feel comfortable once I'm in and sleep well. I wake with far less leg pain, though I don't know if it's been any better for my back/shoulders. My wife (5'7", 150) likes softer mattresses though, and so far, she has yet to last a night in it. She complains that it is too firm, and also (being the middle of winter), too cold. I think the cooling aspect will be amazing come summer, but it definitely feels cold whenever you roll onto a new area.

I like the all-foam mattresses, and my wife does too, but it's hard to find good information on a lot of them regarding softness. I found one place that said the Casper is only a 5.5 on a 10-point softness scale, but another said it was a 7 (which is more believable). We probably want to go at least a point further toward the soft end of the scale. I'm less concerned about the coolness of the Casper, like I said, I think that will be great once the weather turns, and I'm fine just piling on a few more blankets in the winter. If anyone has any suggestions for a softer version of the Casper, I'd really appreciate it. We'd like to stay in the $500-$800 price range (the Casper @Costco was $600).

Thank you.
Last edit: 20 Jan 2019 15:02 by Dom12. Reason: new info on firmness rating

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23 Jan 2019 09:45 #373 by Sensei
Hi Dom12,

Welcome back to the forum:).

I see the 12" version on Costco website, and of course, there is no information on specs. I am not surprised its bit too firm, they went more firm in the beginning of their "one sku" days, and this being the "12" version" it is not surprising. Caspers need to give toppers away for many months, additionally, in the industry, it is known they have had issues with the top comfort layers.

I know there are members on this site that can get to that price range, and can also get you a "softer, yet still supportive for you and your wife's needs. Check out their sites, maybe call some of them.... they are very familiar with the Casper models, so they will be able to most likely point you in the right direction. Let us know if you have other questions.

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Sensei

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29 Jan 2019 07:08 #374 by Bleu
Hello and thank you for the wealth of information. I have been researching for about a month. I am in Canada. I am a mostly side sleeper and weigh somewhere between 210 and 230. I have had an Isoform Opulence by Bergad for about 13 years and loved it. I happen to like feeling like I am sleeping a bit "in" a bed instead of on one which is why I love me more foam. I recently got the Recore bed for a trial and 2 weeks in am miserable. I think latex feels like sleeping on a trampoline and the bed is killing my lower back.
I have narrowed down to two options I think.
1. The Cumulus bed by MFC which has the edge system and 5lb layers but I really wish had a bit more thickness. I also need a cal king as I have a motorized base that is a cal king. I called Mario and he sent me info but the cal king is $1749 which is really stretching my budget but honestly ends up being only about $100 more than the Novosbed, but there is no trial. Plus pillows yay, but still, no returns.
2. The Novosbed Medium and then eventually get the soft comfort + added. Things I like are the HD foam at 5lb and the 11" thickness and the full 7" support foam. After the comfort + it becomes a 13" bed. They have no edge system built in though. I also feel like MFC is likely a bit higher quality foams.
I really am hoping to avoid another return situation as I just want to sleep without pain. Any advice greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

Bleu

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01 Feb 2019 12:07 #375 by Sensei
Hey Bleu,

Welcome to the Mattress Forum! :).

You are very welcome and thank you for the nice words about TMU. Both choices seem to be good, and I understand your concerns mentioned. More height? Is this for the type of bed you have? Or other reason? Just curious, as height seems to be a lesser focus, no data to support this opinionmjust my read on industry people.

Regarding the two companies, MFC is one of our trusted members. , unfortunately, Novosbed is not a member. TMU can trust and verify the transparency and quality of the materials of our members. MFC can also answer any other questions you may have if you want to ask them directly anytime on their profile page links.

Additionally, as you can see from this post, one of our consumers provided an update on the Novosbed specs. We also highly recommend for you to verify this information for yourself.

—Old Novosbed-Medium—
2” 5lb, 9 ILD memory airflow top;
2” 5lb, 9 ILD memory;
7” 1.8lb, 32 ILD Support
—New Novosbed-Medium—
1" - 1.95 lb / 9 IFD - 5th generation premium airflow foam ;
1" - 4 lb / 11 IFD - 5th-generation high-density visco-elastic memory foam;
2" - 4 lb / 11 IFD - 5th-generation high-density visco-elastic memory foam;
7" - 1.75 lb / 32 IFD - Premium support foam



The new specs, if correct, are not "bad" per se, the 1.95 lb top 1" is certainly below our reccomedations in our durability guidelines.

The Bergad Isoform, have not seen that name in a while, speciality polyfoam company in PA, if remeber correctly.

The more you ask questions, the more you can help alleviate the return risk, please continue to use the forum and ask any other questions you may have.

Thanks,
Sensei

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01 Feb 2019 17:06 #376 by Bleu
Thank you so much. I will be calling Novosbed right away to ask directly.

The height issue is mainly because I weigh more and keep reading for my weight I should get a mattress at least 12 inches.

I will definitely keep asking questions

Thank you so much.

Bleu

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04 Feb 2019 09:09 #377 by Sensei
Hey Bleu,

You are welcome, it seems you are well on your way to working something out, as i read your other posts, good luck!!!

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04 Feb 2019 12:59 - 04 Feb 2019 13:02 #378 by savantstrike
That mattress height recommendation is thrown around on a number of mattress sites. It's wrong in the context it's used in (I've even seen sites claim thick mattresses are bad for thinner people).

The best "explanation" I've seen on these sites is the thicker mattress keeps you from bottoming out, but the reality is that the construction of the mattress is what keeps you from bottoming out. Over a nominal thickness (maybe 9-10 inches), the only difference is a potentially plusher feel.

I wouldn't worry too much about hitting some magic number for how thick a mattress is - I would just focus on getting what you want.

As an aside, if you were referring to the novosbed recore earlier, it's not necessarily a good example of a latex mattress. It's more polyfoam than latex (without a lot of easy to find specs on either). That said, it sounds like you want to sink really deeply into a mattress and not have it spring back. You might want to make sure to go for slower response memory foam, as some foams spring back more quickly.
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21 Feb 2019 09:12 #379 by Sensei
Hey savantstrike,

My apologies, I meant to let you know that I think you make a very good point about mattress height and many sites missing the context when discussing this. Well done with this quote:

The best "explanation" I've seen on these sites is the thicker mattress keeps you from bottoming out, but the reality is that the construction of the mattress is what keeps you from bottoming out. Over a nominal thickness (maybe 9-10 inches), the only difference is a potentially plusher feel.

I wouldn't worry too much about hitting some magic number for how thick a mattress is - I would just focus on getting what you want.



Thanks again for your support and interaction on this forum.

Sleep well,
Sensei

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01 Mar 2019 17:26 #380 by joekane
TMU admins and experts: thank you for this great resource. As an engineer by trade, I salute your dedication to the facts, and gory details. I love gory details. I hope you do too:

Our mattress (a Sealy Posturepedic 'Reserve' Unity Firm on a Sealy split box spring) is 10 years old and starting to show it. So we're in the market again, and I decided to school myself up.

I think our needs have also changed as we are a decade older as well. While I always seemed to gravitate towards a 'firm' mattress, I was biased with the notion of 'firm = support'. I'd definitely tossed and turned on what I thought were soft mattresses, probably more accurately poorly made. Also had a preconception that 'pillow top' meant 'too soft', and 'will develop impressions'. Our current mattress itself wasn't bad at all, and I have to say we were usually happy to return to our bed after sleeping anywhere else.

My wife and I both side sleepers: a mix of truly side sleeping and what I call side-over (sleep on side with the top leg and body resting down and over (like half on side side/half stomach) if that makes sense. We both have BMI in the high 20s. I've had neck disc issues but manage with PT exercises and a cervical roll pillow tucked in my pillow case.

I'm an incredibly light sleeper, my wife not as much. After getting the disc stuff under control, the last few years though I feel as if I rotisserie sleep: regularly shifting from right side to left side, as my should/arm gets uncomfortable (I also sleep with arm partially under pillow). My tossing and turning disturbs my spouse, which I regret.

My wife has also been experiencing some hip/back pain. And I come to reason after schooling here that we're sleeping on something too hard now, and the pressure points are getting to us. The mattress is also getting some impressions at this point.

I thought that the hybrid spring/talalay might be a good fit for us. We tried several different types of constructions though in our initial testing. We both found the 100% latex to be too bouncy for our liking, and didnt like the feel. We also were on several Naturepedic hybrids in various comfort levels. But my wife experience some real hip pain fairly quickly on a few of them: Im reasoning that her smaller frame didnt sink in enough on the dunlop. I found the premium pricing to mot match our comfort on them.

We commonly agreed on talalay as a better fit. We also both liked wrapped/pocketed coils as the motion transfer is dampered. I hope that helps if Im tossing.

We are in the PA/Philly area and took a trip to Magic Sleeper, and had a really good experience there. While a small shop in a warehousey environ, we had a quality visit and were well attended by the staff.

To my surprise (based on previous incorrect bias), we wound up favoring a Pillow Top: Eastman House Luxury Pillow Top English Hand Tufted. I like the tufting for help in holding layers in place, and my wife found the resulting 'sectioned' top to be very comfortable. I liked several aspects of the design and mattress otherwise, and was my wife's favorite by a long way.

They didnt have all the detailed specs on the model, and it has taken some doing to get them. There was apparently a big mattress industry convention the past week (I think I may have read that here too), so they had a hard time getting answers from bedding industries. In any case, we finally got there, and these are the specs from bottom to top:

2 inches: base poly foam: (high density 1.8 lbs/cu. ft.) 60 ild
8 inches: 6 turn 12 3/4 gauge Leggett and Platt wrapped coils
3 inches talalay in three layers:
1 inch ild 35
1 inch ild 35
1inch ild 20 (top layer)
wool/silk (firebarrier)
organic cotton quilting
The mattress sides are encased in HD poly foam 1.8lbs/ft. ild 80

It took some doing on the latex "blend"... turns out its 97% synthetic / 3% natural (seems like a toke n amount). The Store mentioned that they would have preferred to see 2.5 lbs for the side encasement, and were a bit surprised in how synthetic the blend was. Their experience with the mattress for durability/customer sat has been very positive, and I found them to be open and honest otherwise.

But anyway, those are the specs. I'd appreciate your thoughts and comments.

Lastly, we were wondering about our existing box spring. I was inclined to replace it and start everything fresh. After a query on the brand of the box spring(Sealy, bought with mattress) , and what kind of support the bed had: (we have a queen wood sleigh bed, but I made five hardwood oak 2.5 inch slats -all with center supports for the bed), the store said they think our split box spring is fine (we cant get a whole box spring up our stairs). They'd be happy to sell us one, but didnt feel it was needed. Wasnt really that much in grand scheme for a new one there though (120).


Thanks for your time.

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