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Thanks for the wealth of the information provided on this site. I also wholeheartedly agree that you can quickly suffer from information overload with mattress info. Regarding online reviews. I have never traversed a more difficult information search with so little actual statistical information. and discovered only after reading the articles here why so many mattresses showed up in the same places in so many reviews.
Sadly - it also led to a puchase which is not going well. After cruising many reviews, we went with the layla mattress. (only discovering this forum after wards) And it's break in had been less than stellar. It is not fitting our needs, and is failing to live up to the review hype of "soft" even after several processes like walking across it to accelerate the break in. To our opinion, even the "soft" side is far too hard- which is leaving us to consider other options as the return term comes up. caveat emptor.
Once again, we're on the hunt for a king size mattress. The mattress we are replacing is a queen size serta, vera wang latex, which as served us very well for the last decade - if it was still made, we would have purchased another one without any issue. It's only shortcoming was being a little firm for our tastes, so we added a 3" latex topper shortly after purchase, and an additional memory foam topper later.
Me 6', 205-215# (depending on the season)
the wife: 5', 120#
we're both 90% side/10% back sleepers
both of us love soft mattresses. the softer the better. both of us seem to be highly sensitive to hip pain from harder mattresses we encounter.
budget: under $2000 ideal, $3000 max (if we can find another mattress that will serve a decade with little to no breakdown) - price is well worth it. that's $30 a month. we can eat out one night a month less if we have to.
limitations: allergies - to wool. which is why we now tried a memory foam type. I was unable to locate online latex retailers that did not use wool in the construction. We would also prefer a solid foam construction for the movement isolation
also height. keeping the mattress to 12" or less is ideal with our current foundation.
It would be great to find another latex mattress, but if need be, we are exploring the simple option of getting another topper, but after reading a few more details about the foam density of the layla, I doubt we'd get more than 5 years out of it before we noticed the breakdown. I question whether a quality latex topper would be a cost effective investment at that point
I guess what we're looking for at this point is some more credible information to research an actual soft mattress, based on real definable numbers we can compare against. We have tried a few of the other popular types out there, like the purple, and a few hybrids, and while fairly comfortable (as much as one can determine from 15 minutes laying on them) we could tell the difference in the way mattress handles motion from our current solid foam. We're familiar with latex, but have enjoyed the cradling sinking feeling of the softest tempur mattresses we've laid on.
Due to location, and limits of not having a large city nearby. retailers that ship are basically also a priority.
Hello, I hope to ask those with more mattress knowledge if what I had before exists anymore, its really tough to find an acceptable mattress it seems today! I used to have an old Sealy Posturepedic spring mattress extra firm I think and would really just want to get one similar, but have had several failed attempts so far! This mattress lasted 10-12 years and was firm and awesome, the past couple years though it started to sag and we had to give it up, but we have found nothing but problems finding a good mattress!
Because we liked Sealy we tried one first after a long search we tried an extra firm Sealy pillowtop, but my wife found the pillow top uncomfortable over time, and I found myself sinking in it too much, causing my shoulders to round forward when laying face up and shoulder pain after lifting weights particularly.
Next we looked around a lot more and decided to go with a Costco extra firm foam mattress, we were tired of looking for mattresses, and sleeping on the other one disrupting our sleep. We figured Costco has a great return policy, and since it was described by many as being "too firm" we thought it would be a good fit. Unfortunately it was not as firm as advertised from the start (I'm still not sure if maybe we got a mis-labelled lower firmness) and the smell was pretty bad and lingering, and we got rid of this after about a month of trying it.
Next we found in Macys an extra firm mattress we liked, and found that we could order an equivalent model online from USMattress for half price (without the "titanium mesh" of the Macy's model) and did so: we bought King Simmons Beautyrest Platinum Spring Grove Extra Firm Mattress. It was great at first and we thought we finally got it right. In fact it was almost too firm for my wife. However, several months later the firmness started to break down. About 4 months into using the mattress and I realized I was sleeping in a depression, and rolling over either direction was up an incline! My wife is also unhappy with it now, and is not sure whether it’s a depression or being a tiny bit too firm that’s the problem (I'm not sure how they fit together). Of course the depression all but disappears when I get up, so it seems I will never achieve the 1.5 inches depression required by warranty I found to return it, and if it got close I'm not sure I would be able to continue sleeping on it! It really seems all the new one sided mattresses are garbage that sags over a short period of time, and they put this 1.5inch sag requirement in to scam people knowing it will sag but bounce back: how is there ever going to be a depression that stays so deep without weight on it when the foam slowly re-lofts!
I am now wondering if we should have tried latex, but really don’t want to keep spending on mattresses after these losses, especially at latex prices I see. I think we would really just want one of my old flippable spring firm mattresses but don’t know where to find it. Please help!!
Me: 230ish, 5'11" weightlifter (heavy upper torso with broad shoulders that seems to form impressions in the new foam mattresses and cause shoulders to be pushed forward when laying face up), side and back sleeper
Wife: 150 5'9" side and back sleeper
Currently have a frame with 2? crossbars and a King Simmons Beautyrest Platinum Spring Grove Extra Firm Mattress which was really nice until it started to sink.
Budget: ~$1,000-$2000 (but willing to spend more if there's a great long lasting mattress or compelling reason)
Concerns: stinky foam outgassing that doesn’t go away, foam layers that sink with time, one sided mattresses seem to degrade quickly and cause body impressions to form. Now my wife is confused what is causing her issues about this mattress causing her upper back pain and is wondering if its the sinking or its too firm..is there an old style king size firm spring mattress that is flippable anywhere?
C5 complete, 9 years post injury, I've been in a hospital bed
with a foam mattress since the injury, and I've had no skin problems. I think it's time for a new mattress and if money is not an issue, should I just stay with a foam mattress or should I swing for the fence and go with one with air chambers and such?
Welcome to the forum .
Regarding the Sealy Mattress you once had, short answer, it doesn't exist, and can’t be found. Sure one could look up the specs in research, but it won't matter....way too many variables, Sealy probably doesn't even use any of the same coils, different fabrics, no FR layers, and then trying to get someone to match...its a nightmare waiting to happen. I could go on, but I think you get my point.
You hit on some great points on why we always send people to our trusted members so you can get transparent information from companies that use high-quality materials.
This quote could be called the "definition of the mattress warranty", you are spot on:
Of course the depression all but disappears when I get up, so it seems I will never achieve the 1.5 inches depression required by warranty I found to return it, and if it got close I'm not sure I would be able to continue sleeping on it! It really seems all the new one sided mattresses are garbage that sags over a short period of time, and they put this 1.5inch sag requirement in to scam people knowing it will sag but bounce back: how is there ever going to be a depression that stays so deep without weight on it when the foam slowly re-lofts!
You are correct, it's rigged not to pay warranties.
Concerns: stinky foam outgassing that doesn’t go away, foam layers that sink with time, one sided mattresses seem to degrade quickly and cause body impressions to form. Now my wife is confused what is causing her issues about this mattress causing her upper back pain and is wondering if its the sinking or it's too firm..is there an old style king size firm spring mattress that is flippable anywhere?
These are good concerns listed, and these happen all the time to people that buy mattresses without knowing what is inside and why. I really think you should start over nd not chase a product that was good for you 13 years ago....generally speaking things change and that "perfect" mattress may not be the right one for you ....today.
I'm not sure what you've read since you found the site but just in case you haven't read it yet ... the first place to start your research is the mattress shopping tutorial here which includes all the basic information, steps, and guidelines that can help you make the best possible choice ... and perhaps more importantly know how and why to avoid the worst ones. Two of the most important links in the tutorial that I would especially make sure you've read are post #2 here which has more about the different ways to choose a suitable mattress (either locally or online) that is the best "match" for you in terms of "comfort", firmness, and PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and your own Personal preferences) that can help you assess and minimize the risks of making a choice that doesn't turn out as well as you hoped for and post #13 here which has more about the most important parts of the "value" of a mattress purchase which can help you make more meaningful quality/value comparisons between mattresses in terms of suitability (how well you will sleep), durability (how long you will sleep well), and the overall value of a mattress compared to your other finalists based on all the parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you (including the price of course and the options you have available after a purchase if your choice doesn't turn out as well as you hoped for).
I hope this helps, some of the members make a lot of innerspring mattresses here is the list of member companies innerspring mattresses
Let us know if you have other questions.
Hello Sensei thanks for the reply. I am extremely frustrated with trying to choose one as it affects our sleep and we already spent lots of time and money on this and seem to have come up empty handed. Its even more frustrating to me since the one we got was great at first but in less than a year has started to really cause sinking/body impressions, and both previous times I purchased a mattress I was able to get a good 8-15+ yr long life out of my first choice without it doing this. I think we had a simple frame at first, but ended up using it on box springs on the floor after a move for the majority of the time. I'm not sure whether we have the time or will to start completely over, and I'm kind of loathe to talk to salesmen since it all seems to be essentially just sales talk they talk to sell a mattress without much knowledge or care! Can you make some suggestions to a similar mattress brand/type/model as I'd described possibly? I am in Washington state, it looks like CA is the closest of any on the link page you linked. I will also try to answer the linked page questions in your language with links you defined and see if any suggestions come to mind?
More details of what I remember in case anyone has knowledge from back then. This was a King Sealy spring mattress extra firm 15 years old (checked it lasted longer than I thought, but I should have replaced before the last couple years due to sloping/compression finally). I am pretty certain it had one of the longest warranties they had and I never had to use it (don’t know the specifics of coverage but it wasn’t the current scammy coverage of 1.5" sinking), it also was from a sale of a "discontinued line" or some such at the time, so it may have been an even older model than 15yrs being discontinued? (or yes possibly salesman BS). It had a quilted cover with a smooth but tightly woven full "rounded diamond?" like pattern that was very firm on running your hands over it but did conform some to direct pressure, however they had a good amount of resilience to them and I remember running my hand across the mattress through my fitted sheet feeling them bump my hands up and down due to the resistance to compression and really liking this. I have not really found this level of resistance much in the mattresses I tried out, the current one I tried had some of this effect but not very much and it has already degraded a lot. It did not sink much at all with my bodyweight of about 210 back then.
Now for speaking the language from the links you provided it will take time to get through all of this but here is a start. We don’t like mattresses with much of any sinking DOWN (for me especially this causes shoulders to be higher than torso when laying flat and causes muscle shortening and pain in the shoulders) or sinking IN to the mattress very much, but some is necessary due to my wife liking a little less firm than I. Both of us do not like memory foam we have tried, as its hot and conforms without support. Temperature control is important to us and pillow tops we tried are too hot in the summer for sure.
I'm pretty certain we want quilted cover, innerspring, two sided, firm to extra firm, very durable...
Slow or fast response materials and where in the range you prefer -- we liked the spring return of a spring mattress with a firm foam quilted on top, I may not be clear on this question/concept.
Sleeping "on" vs "in" the mattress -- definitely ON
Motion isolation with small and large movements -- not highest priority, more is better.
The ease of movement or movement restriction on the mattress for changing position and "other activities" -- ease of movement is important, especially since without it I think we are talking sinking into the mattress a lot which we don’t like.
Edge support for those who sit or sleep on the edge of a mattress -- not primary, I have noticed the two we tried had a lot of edge support which caused more essential sinking into the mattress over time and a center and side "ridge".
"Roll together" for those who sleep close together in the center of a mattress --No, separate sleepers.
Overall "feel" (such as the difference between combinations that include the "feel" of innersprings and/or different types of foam in the comfort or support layers) -- we like the feel of innersprings.
Durability of materials in the mattress -- very important, showing a lot of wear in a year is a complete failure.
Durability of construction (such as one or two sided) -- definitely two sided
Quality and performance of materials and construction -- I'm not sure since what we purchased before seems to be of good quality, but was about $1k for a king mattress.
Ability to open the mattress and exchange layers or make changes after purchase -- a realm I'm not sure about engaging into at all unless the store is close in WA state.
Warranty and warranty exclusions (which are often more important then the warranty itself). You can read more about mattress warranties here .
Budget limitations and range -- we would like to be in the $1k range but willing to go $2k range if a great mattress and warranty with exchange
Price vs quality and "commodity" value of materials -- I really don’t know what this one means.
Any brands/ideas come to mind?
There are two we are leaning towards that we had tried before, a "50's mattress" in Macy's (to try to get back to the innerspring type we had) and a hard foam that one local store had obtained they said to try to cater to the many Indian customers in the area who prefer a firm feel...but these are kind of shooting in the dark since we don’t know the longevity of either.
Thank you for putting more information on your post, I can really feel how frustrating this is, especially after such clear success 15 years ago.
I don't really have any knowledge on the 50's mattress, and the foam offer, you would want to know what the density and IFD of the foam mattress. I don't know how you feel about buying online. One of our expert members is Beducation /Mattress to Go, they have a full line of traditional innerspring models. Jeff, the owner has been in business for over 25 years, knows what Sealy and those guys made 15 years ago, and I am confident the can help you.
Ask them a question on at their expert forum listing. Also, you can read about them on their Mattress to go website. They ship all over the US and I think they would be very helpful. Great prices, and high level of knowledge.
Greetings! I'm a new member with a several-part fairly general question.
tl:dr We tried some mattresses, but are having problems translating what we tried into useful information to guide our next tests and our choice.
My boyfriend and I just moved in together, and agreed that it's time to upgrade from his ancient queen mattress that doesn't really work well for either of us to a king that we both like. I've been reading through this site (thank you thank you thank you for this resource!), but we haven't been able to try very many out yet, for various reasons. We're hoping to go back and finish up the trying-out part this weekend, as efficiently as possible.
Recently, we wound up at a random mattress store near a different errand (so not where we plan to buy), and were able to try three mattresses. I took pictures of the information cards, and notes on our responses, thinking that I could take that information and align it with the info on this site to figure out what our preferences meant, and then go buy a good mattress from an independent manufacturer. Unfortunately, that was easier thought than done. One of the three mattresses had useful Google-able information (#3), but the other two remain fairly mysterious. Can y'all help us decipher what it was we tried out and/or help us translate our preferences into more technical terms that can guide what we try next?
(descriptions and numbers taken from the cards attached to the mattresses, followed by our reactions to the mattress)
- American Bedding by Coriscana. Firm A10213, Cotton fabric cover, foam encased edge support, ABC OmniSense and SupportSense Comfort Foams, SpringEase Support System. (Queen: 044901754989 460, King: 059902256989 575)
- My lower back started hurting a few minutes into lying on my back, perhaps my pelvis was too low
- On my side, the support was pretty good (though maybe my pelvis was sinking a bit much), but the comfort wasn't great for my shoulder
- "A" thought it was pretty good
- When "A" was lying on his side, he was kind of U-shaped (shoulder and pelvis higher than his midsection)
- Royal Dreams Collection. Plush PT Royal Dreams, Soft Cotton Cover, Foam Encased Edge Support, Gel-Infused Visco Memory Foam, Super Soft Foam, Individual Pocket Coil (Queen: 079903031228, King: 094903621498)
- "A"'s first impression was that it was nice, but that it might lead to back pain, then a few minutes later he did feel a twinge in his lower back while lying on his back. His verdict was that there was too little back support
- While I was lying on my side, it felt like I was folding in the middle a bit. While I was lying on my back, I definitely felt like an upside down U, with my stomach higher than the rest of me. It looked like that was the case for "A" as well.
- When I stood up after having lain on my back for a bit, I felt a little bit of lower back pain too.
- Both of us liked the comfort layer.
- BeautyRest Silver by Serta Simmons – Extra Firm – Open Seas, Cotton Fabric, Dual Cool Fiber, Energy & AirCool Foams, AirCool, ViscoGel, GelTouch Foams, AirCool FEES, Individual Pocketed Firm Coils. (Queen: 099904921298, King 139907071850)
- "A" said this one gave a good first impression and is his overall favorite. When he was lying on his back, it looked like his spine was pretty straight. He felt a little bit of back pain but not a lot.
- When I was lying on my side, the support felt good, but it wasn't squishy enough to be comfortable for very long.
- When I was lying on my back, the support also felt good, but there was a bit of a gap between my lower back and the mattress.
Now a bit of background on us.
- I'm typically a side sleeper, but I do sleep on my back sometimes too. I'm overweight (~250 lbs) so need more support than the average woman.
- He primarily sleeps on his back, but sometimes rolls onto his side when his back is hurting.
- He has cerebral palsy, which among other complications means that he sleeps in the middle of the bed (to avoid falling off), his limbs move a lot except when he's in a deep sleep, and he is prone to neck and back pain. Because he sleeps in the middle of the bed, those fancy "different firmness for each half of the bed" mattresses aren't an option, so we need to find something that works for both of us.
- We'd both like to minimize motion transfer. Durability is also very important to us, and if the cooling features actually work, we'd really like that too.
I'll say that the mattress budget is under $2000, but that's not set in stone.
We're based in Orange County, California, so have many options for places to shop.
We'd really appreciate any insights y'all can provide. I'm really excited to have found this good source of information to guide our decision, but am also a bit overwhelmed by the number of different things to consider.
Thank you, and happy sleeping!
Welcome to the forum .
Thanks for your very kind words and post. We hope we can help a little on your mattress buying journey. As you mentioned it may be overwhelming, to begin with, but it helps to know you are not the only ones and that with a bit of determination to get things right, like everyone else you’ll get there.
Thank you for noting your sleep styles and sleep patterns, well organized, which means as you learn the materials / different constructions, you will know what to look for when you go shopping again.
While you focused a great deal of understanding how a mattress could be a good match for you and your “A” and tested your choices for PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences) … you are correct that it would be difficult if not impossible to “decipher what it was we tried out and/or help us translate our preferences into more technical terms” Perhaps the most important aspect I’d keep in mind is that a mattress is as good as the materials inside of it. It may feel good in the showroom but if it starts sagging in a few months or years all the good testing for the perfect match is wasted and you’d need to start your mattress journey once again. Also, someone else’s experience cannot “translate” into what you will experience with the same bed because only you can feel what you feel on a particular mattress and we are all very unique in what we each need and prefer.
I’d press the reset button and now that you’ve gained some valuable experience through your very careful testing (which will greatly simplify your search and help you make the best possible choices) I’d make sure to find out exactly what is in the mattress, layering and densities once you learn to avoid the worst ones (like the major manufacturers or any manufacturer or brand that doesn't disclose the quality of the materials in their mattresses and most mass-market stores that have little knowledge about the mattresses they sell).
Of all of these "specs" ... the specs that affect the quality/durability of all the foam layers in the upper layers are the most important. In many cases and with many manufacturers they are also the most difficult to find out. Most people that sell mattresses have very little knowledge about even basic foam quality specs. This is usually enough to make meaningful assessments and comparisons or identify any potential weak links in a mattress. For those who want more detailed information about the durability and useful life of a mattress relative to each person then post #4 here and the posts it links to has much more information about all the variables that can affect durability.
Throughout this website, it is often mentioned to avoid "major" mattress manufacturers. This is primarily due to a clear lack of transparency about the quality and specifications of the materials used in their mattresses vs. smaller independent manufacturers that make similar mattresses with the same or better quality, are transparent about their materials and designs and often times sell for better prices.
In general, for a 2000+ budget innerspring king mattress If you do not know the complete specs and if the mattress does not meet durability guidelines here , I would not waste much time with it. In general, 2nd tier companies like Spring Air, Restonic, Southerland, etc. with independent owners, as well as the remaining plethora of mattress manufacturers, as a group, do not have the QC systems to provide consistency and they were cost driven. This means that shop floor management would make decisions of putting cost ahead of quality (for example substituting components). I would tend to avoid the 2nd tier players in way more than I would avoid the majors when it comes to quality and consistency. Independents like Corsicana, Southerland, are even more likely to be inconsistent and have poor QC practices You may wish to peruse through this Article here .
Comfort/pressure relief and support/alignment are the two most important functions of a mattress for everyone so you certainly aren't alone in this but the only way to know for certain whether any specific mattress will be a suitable choice that provides you with both will be based on your own careful testing or your own personal experience when you sleep on it because different people can have very different needs and preferences in a mattress in terms of comfort, firmness, and PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and your own Personal preferences)
I'm not sure what you've read since you found the site but just in case you haven't read it yet ... the first place to start your research is the mattress shopping tutorial here which includes all the basic information, steps, and guidelines that can help you make the best possible choice ... and perhaps more importantly know how and why to avoid the worst ones.
Two of the most important links in the tutorial that I would especially make sure you've read are post #2 here which has more about the different ways to choose a suitable mattress (either locally or online) that is the best "match" for you in terms of "comfort", firmness, and PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and your own Personal preferences) that can help you assess and minimize the risks of making a choice that doesn't turn out as well as you hoped for and post #13 here which has more about the most important parts of the "value" of a mattress purchase which can help you make more meaningful quality/value comparisons between mattresses in terms of suitability (how well you will sleep), durability (how long you will sleep well), and the overall value of a mattress compared to your other finalists.
Regarding the mattresses, you mentioned all of them, as far as I can tell from researching, all of the ones you tried, are innerspring mattresses see the description in this article . When you are trying the mattresses, it's important to note the mattress specifications you need to know.
Maybe most importantly please look at our list of trusted members , which Flo Beds is actually in the Fullerton area. TMU thinks highly of our members and we believe that they compete well with the [url=https://www.flobhttps://www.themattressunderground.com/the-mattress-underground-membership/recommended-by-the-mattress-underground.htmleds.com/about-us/] best in the industry[/url] in terms of their quality, value, service, knowledge, and transparency. All members use high-quality materials at fair prices so they would certainly make a great quality/value choice.
Okay, I'm starting to narrow things down. I wish more stores had latex mattresses. I have had a hard time finding an actual latex mattress I can try out. It seems like most latex mattresses are sold online now. I went into Original Mattress and they only carry one latex mattress, the Serenity. At least I was able to compare it to memory foam and innerspring mattresses at the store. I think I prefer the latex, but Original Mattress only has one and there are no choices for firmness. (I was told that they used to have 5 but now it's down to 1.) Original Mattress also does not take returns at all. I am considering Sleep on Latex and PlushBeds. Both of them offer latex mattresses with several choices for firmness, they take returns up to 90 days, and they arrange pickup of returns, unlike some companies where you have to arrange it with UPS yourself. My question is, how can I decide which level of firmness will be right for me? I am replacing a 10 year old Englander Versailles which has started giving me shoulder pain. I usually sleep on my back and I weight 177 pounds, so I'm guessing that Medium might work for me. I also noticed that PlushBeds has some mattresses that allow you to move around the layers, but how hard is it to do that? Isn't it difficult to get the latex back inside the cover?