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Any info/insights on Sleep Inn Mattress Inc. in Toronto? 01 Oct 2012 13:15 #1

Hi there,

I'm new to this forum, and a relative beginner in mattress buying. My current mattress is a King Koil piece of crap (Perfect Contour Ascot) that I bought at a discount store 4 years ago. I was a student and it was my first foray into mattress shopping on a budget, so I skipped the whole research aspect and bought based on price and convenience -- which means 4 years later my mattress is a pancake and I don't want to repeat the same errors I made previously.

I'm a bit hesitant to buy big names since this past experience was pretty mediocre, so I've been looking into the off-brands that produce locally. A small mattress depot close to where I live (in London, ON) sells Sleep Inn mattresses at very attractive prices and the mattresses themselves seem quite attractive. I also like that they're manufactured somewhat locally to me. The problem is, I can't find anything about this brand other than what's on their website (no reviews, etc.).

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Is this a legitimate company with a decent product?

Thanks so much for any insights!

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Re: Any info/insights on Sleep Inn Mattress Inc. in Toronto? 01 Oct 2012 19:19 #2

Hi pinupchick,

When I talked with them a few months ago (March) ... they seemed very open about the materials they were using in their mattresses. They told me that they were using "price appropriate" foams and their polyfoam ranged from 1.2 lbs to 2.1 lbs and they used memory foam from 3 - 5 lbs (in other words they run the range from low to good quality). They also told me that they would be happy to provide the specs of any mattress to a retailer that didn't know them.

Overall my sense was that they were very transparent and "good people" but of course an assessment of any particular mattress that they made in terms of quality and value would depend on knowing what was in it and the price it was selling for. A manufacturer like this would typically make better quality/value than a major brand mattress in a similar price range.

Phoenix
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Re: Any info/insights on Sleep Inn Mattress Inc. in Toronto? 02 Oct 2012 11:47 #3

Hi Phoenix,

Thanks so much for this! It's great to know that there are some legitimate options outside of the mainstream/big box mattress retailers.

I'm a stomach sleeper with a tendency toward knee and hip pain, whereas my partner is a side/back sleeper with back and neck pain. He prefers firmer mattress surfaces and I prefer medium-firm. So we were looking at some coil mattresses in the medium-firm range (and have no clue what we're doing).

Particularly I was interested in a mattress with the following specs:'

Support System

800 Foam Encased Pocket Coils in Queen Size
1016 Foam Encased Pocket Coils in King Size
Heavy Duty Fibre Pad Insulator
Extra Dual Torsion Edge Guard Springs around Perimeter
Motion Absorbing Support Base

Comfort System

1.5" 5Lbs Visco Memory Foam - which contours to the shape of your body, elimination Pressure Points
Heavy Weight Flex-Fiber Pad Insulator
2" High Density Soy Based Foam in the quilting
Soft Knit Fabric, Tack & Jump Quilting with Ultra Plush Fiber
Aloe Ver Fabric Quilting on top for Dust Might Resistance.

Foundation

8" Reinforced Wooded Foundation which helps the coils work in parallel
Non-Slip Top to keep mattress from moving
4 Durable Corner Guards

Specifications & Coil Counts

Height - Mattress 12", Foundation 8"
King - 1016 Foam Encased Pocket Coils
Queen - 800 Foam Encased Pocket Coils
Full - 600 Foam Encased Pocket Coils
Twin - 434 Foam Encased Pocket Coils

Manufacturer

Made in Toronto, ON. Canada
By Sleep Inn Mattress

A queen size in this model is retailing for $600 for the boxspring and mattress, taxes included.
1) is it a fair price and
2) do the specs imply that it's a decent mattress?


Thanks again. I really appreciate it.

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Re: Any info/insights on Sleep Inn Mattress Inc. in Toronto? 03 Oct 2012 00:17 #4

Hi pinupchick,

The specs are a little incomplete and will need someone to call the factory to find out what they are. The support system is fine (as long as it meets your support needs based on your testing) but the weak link of a mattress is almost always in the comfort layers and this is where knowing the quality of the foams used (especially polyfoam) is most important.

Comfort System

1.5" 5Lbs Visco Memory Foam - which contours to the shape of your body, elimination Pressure Points
Heavy Weight Flex-Fiber Pad Insulator
2" High Density Soy Based Foam in the quilting
Soft Knit Fabric, Tack & Jump Quilting with Ultra Plush Fiber
Aloe Ver Fabric Quilting on top for Dust Might Resistance.


5 lb memory foam is good quality.

A heavyweight fiberflex insulator over the springs is also good (it insulates the springs from the foam so that the foam doesn't sink into the springs and evens out the compression of the springs).

The 2" High Density Soy Based foam is the one I would be most concerned about. This is polyfoam and knowing the density would be important to know. Lower quality polyfoam in the upper layers of a mattress is the most common reason for soft spots and impressions in the mattress. It's only 2" which is less than many but I would still want to know the density of the polyfoam.

The fiber in the quilting is probably polyester and if this is too thick it will also compress over time and can lead to impressions. It's there to create some surface softness and breathability but fibers tend to compress and become firmer over time.

So it has some possibilities but the density of the polyfoam and the thickness of the synthetic fiber would be the possible weak link of this mattress.

You've probably seen this but some of the better choices I'm aware of in the Greater Toronto area are in post #1 here .

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Re: Any info/insights on Sleep Inn Mattress Inc. in Toronto? 03 Oct 2012 16:01 #5

Hi Phoenix,

Thanks again for the insights. Our budget won't allow for us to purchase a new mattress until December (and even then it will only allow for something in the $600-$800 range, which already puts us at a disadvantage I'm sure). Regardless, I have plenty of time to try and discern what the foam materials are before plunking down any cash.

That being said, what would be red flag indicators of foam quality (name, density, numerical rating) versus indicators of quality and longevity?


The King Koil that I'm sleeping on now was a budget model at a discount store and never claimed to be super high quality. It had, at initial time of purchase, perhaps maybe a 1" Eurotop of cheap foam which has since compressed into nothingness. The spring system is sagging and I've got not one, but three layers of mattress pads (one thin cotton batting type, one synthetic featherbed type, and most recently, a Natura exposed wool pile topper which is seeming to make a difference at least) attempting to do the job of foam that never really did its intended job anyway. It's pretty pathetic that I'm padding my 4 yr old mattress from the outside to make it bearable, and that, by far, is the most disturbing thing to me and what I'd like to avoid in the future.

Thanks again for all your insights -- they are greatly appreciated by me and everyone else on this forum!

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Re: Any info/insights on Sleep Inn Mattress Inc. in Toronto? 03 Oct 2012 21:41 #6

Hi pinupchick,

That being said, what would be red flag indicators of foam quality (name, density, numerical rating) versus indicators of quality and longevity?


The comfort layers section and the support layers section of the site has all the information about the different qualities of different foams. In general though ... polyfoam is the most commonly used material that will have issues with foam softening in certain densities and in certain types of construction (for example ... 1.5 lb polyfoam in thinner layers in a two sided mattress may be quite durable even though if they were in thicker layers in a one sided mattress they would be much less durable). What is over and under each layer will also make a difference (the foams closest to the sleeping surface are the most subject to softening). Lower density polyfoam (less than 1.8 lb) in the upper layers especially would be one of the most important "warning signs". Lower density memory foam (less than 4 lbs depending on body type) will also present durability problems unless they are very thin layers used for example in a quilting layer in the mattress. The key is to use the best quality materials that are possible in your budget range.

The King Koil that I'm sleeping on now was a budget model at a discount store and never claimed to be super high quality.


I would be willing to bet that the person who was claiming that it was "super high quality" probably had no idea about the type or quality/density of all the layers in the mattress so these were probably just "words" meant to sell a mattress and had little basis in fact. King Koil does make some mattresses (their Xtended Life series) that use higher density polyfoam but finding all the information you really need to know is very difficult and sometimes just not possible. If the factory doesn't provide this information to the retailer ... then the retailer can't provide it to the consumer ... even if they would otherwise want to.

The spring system is sagging and I've got not one, but three layers of mattress pads (one thin cotton batting type, one synthetic featherbed type, and most recently, a Natura exposed wool pile topper which is seeming to make a difference at least) attempting to do the job of foam that never really did its intended job anyway.


the odds are pretty good that the foam is the problem and you may be surprised that if you took the mattress apart that the springs may still be fine. If foam softens ... then adding toppers can't fix the problem except perhaps very partially or temporarily. Toppers only really work for a mattress that is too firm. There's more about some of the "not so great" options that may help a mattress that is sagging in post #4 here . As you discovered ... a thicker wool topper is one of the most effective possibilities but even this is only a partial solution at best.

It's pretty pathetic that I'm padding my 4 yr old mattress from the outside to make it bearable, and that, by far, is the most disturbing thing to me and what I'd like to avoid in the future.


Unjfortunately this has almost become the "norm" in the industry today ... at least with the larger brands that are sold in most of the mass market outlets. Even premium mattresses that cost thousands of dollars can have too much lower quality polyfoam in the upper layers and may last even less than the 4 years you had from yours. the key to avoiding this is to know the quality of every layer in your mattress so you can predict how it will perform in a year or more down the road.

Comfort is what you feel when you lie on a mattress. Support is what you feel the next morning (and with care this can be tested fairly accurately in a mattress showroom). Durability though is about how a mattress will feel and perform in a year or a few years down the road. This can't be felt in a showroom because you can't feel quality and even the lowest quality materials can feel great for a while or in a showroom. Quality/durability is the third part of the "mattress shopping puzzle" and is just as important as comfort and support. It can only be known if you know the details and "quality specs" of every layer in your mattress.

Phoenix
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Re: Any info/insights on Sleep Inn Mattress Inc. in Toronto? 03 Oct 2012 22:04 #7

Wow. Thank you so much for the thoughtful and informative response! Two days ago I knew absolutely nothing about mattresses and now I feel like I'm informed enough to not get taken advantage of when making a purchase.

So one additional thought before I start my journey of narrowing down a mattress for purchase. I mentioned that my partner and I tend toward firmer rather than plush mattresses, and that we have an arsenal of mattress toppers in our collection. My partner was lamenting the lack of availability of double-sided mattresses and articulated that he actually had a preference for these if they were still available.

I did some online research and noticed that a local retailer carries a basic reversible spring mattress in my price range. I've read elsewhere on this site that a flippable mattress, even if made with slightly less quality materials than a one-sided one, will still last longer.

If longevity and affordability is a key concern and I have the necessary padding via cotton and wool toppers to make an extra-firm double sided mattress a bit more plush, could this be a legitimate option? I realize the materials aren't articulated clearly either in the description, so it could be hit and miss, but I'm sure once I mention this to my boyfriend his interest will pique and I'd like to be able to either agree to check it out depending on your perspective, or dissuade him from wasting his time if you think it's generally not advisable.

Here's the link:

sleepfactory.com/catablog-items/aristocratic-reversable/
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Thank you again, so so much.

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Re: Any info/insights on Sleep Inn Mattress Inc. in Toronto? 04 Oct 2012 03:31 #8

Hi pinupchick,

Yes ... a double sided mattress will last longer than a similar one sided mattress if you flip the mattress on a regular basis (once a season or so).

A topper will also increase the lifespan of a mattress that uses less durable foams because the topper will absorb much of the regular compression. The topper will usually wear out before the mattress but it can be replaced without having to replace the whole mattress.

If longevity and affordability is a key concern and I have the necessary padding via cotton and wool toppers to make an extra-firm double sided mattress a bit more plush, could this be a legitimate option?


I think so yes (assuming that the topper/mattress combination provides you with the pressure relief you need which from the sounds of your "collection" shouldn't be a problem).

Here's the link:

sleepfactory.com/catablog-items/aristocratic-reversable/


As you mentioned they don't mention the density of the 2" polyfoam layer but in principle this would work. A continuous coil can be the least expensive coil system though and it may also use low density foam which means that you may be able to find better value in the same type of mattress but the concept is a good one. Generally a local factory direct manufacturer like the ones on the list I linked will have better value in a mattress of this type and a few phone calls should find a few that are good options. I can also tell you that in my experiences with sleep that sleepfactory is not very helpful when it comes to providing you with any kind of specs about their mattresses.

Phoenix
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Re: Any info/insights on Sleep Inn Mattress Inc. in Toronto? 06 Oct 2012 21:11 #9

Just an update.

I went mattress shopping yesterday and ended up placing an order. My boyfriend and I decided that a double-sided mattress was best for us in terms of longevity and even wear of sleep surfaces. However, they aren't readily found in my region and having them shipped from Toronto was out of my budget. So needless to say, our options were limited.

We initially looked at The Bay (large Canadian retailer) because they were listed as a retailer of Marshall Mattresses. The one in my city carries two models of reversible Marshall mattresses - one pillowtop and one tightop. They seemed lovely and well-constructed with quality materials, and the salesman (an older gent) confessed to us that he has had his Marshall mattress for 18 years. Unfortunately, even with their industry standard "50% off sale plus an additional 15%," these were about $1000 above our budget.

We went to Sleep Factory next, knowing they were the only other local retailer that offered reversible mattresses. I ended up ordering a custom(ish) double-sided extra firm euro-top for $800 inclusive. The materials seem fairly mediocre but the salesman promised that he would have it manufactured with high-density 2.2lb polyfoam in the thickest foam layer (3"). With a continuous coil and higher density foams, I'm pretty sure this thing will be built like a tank. I'll update when it comes in and I've actually slept on it.

sleepfactory.com/catablog-items/tranquility-euro-top/
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It does suck being limited geographically though. If I was in the GTA I'd probably have a much higher quality mattress for a better price coming to me. :unsure:

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Re: Any info/insights on Sleep Inn Mattress Inc. in Toronto? 06 Oct 2012 21:53 #10

Hi pinupchick,

Are you sure that the link you provided is the mattress you bought? It links to a one sided Eurotop mattress not a two sided mattress.

Hopefully the one you purchased has the 3" of 2.2 lb foam in the comfort layers and has less of the additional lower density foam (the one you linked has 3 extra inches of polyfoam which would be the weak link of the mattress).

Out of curiosity ... which city do you live in?

Phoenix
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