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Back Pain Sufferer-- really need new mattress 01 Oct 2012 15:02 #1

I purchased a Sealy pillowtop mattress about 4 months ago. During the first three months, I was sleeping great. However, for the past 2-3 weeks, I've woken up in the middle of the night with severe lower back pain and stiffness.

It's hard to get comfortable on the bed now, and I've resorted to sleeping on an air mattress or the couch instead. This has alleviated the back pain. I called the furniture store I ordered the mattress from and explained my story (I essentially told them I thought the mattress might be sagging in the middle).

They're going to send a technician in about a week to check out the mattress. I'm worried that there's nothing truly wrong with this mattress and that (as a pillowtop) it's just simply too soft for my back now that the foam has softened during that initial 90-day break-in.

I could try to sell this mattress and hope to get a decent amount back, but I'll also need to purchase a new mattress. I've decided I need to get something much firmer. My budget is max $600 but would prefer closer to $500 if possible, and I live in NYC. There is a Sleepy's near my apartment, and their prices seem reasonable. Is this a good place to start looking? Are there any other retailers in NYC that would have quality mattresses within my budget?

Would really appreciate any help you can offer.

Thanks.

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Re: Back Pain Sufferer-- really need new mattress 01 Oct 2012 20:01 #2

hi RoxCo,

Unfortunately I think you hit the nail on the head. If you buy a mattress that has thick layers of lower quality polyfoam in the upper layers such as in a pillowtop ... and it is just inside the "range" that is acceptable for you in terms of spinal alignment ... then even the initial softening over the first few weeks can put you "over the line" and the mattress may no longer be suitable for you (even though it may still work for someone else with a different body type or sleeping positions). It is unlikely that there is anything here that would qualify for warranty coverage because loss of comfort and support from foam softening is not a warranty issue (even though it's the most common reason people need to replace their mattress).

I could try to sell this mattress and hope to get a decent amount back, but I'll also need to purchase a new mattress. I've decided I need to get something much firmer. My budget is max $600 but would prefer closer to $500 if possible, and I live in NYC. There is a Sleepy's near my apartment, and their prices seem reasonable. Is this a good place to start looking? Are there any other retailers in NYC that would have quality mattresses within my budget?


You could either sell it (and used mattresses don't command a very big price) or you could do "mattress surgery" which means carefully cutting open the cover, removing all the "junk" foam and replacing it with higher quality foam, and then either re-attaching the cover or buying a new zip cover to enclose your "new" mattress. The springs will still be fine ... it's just the top foam that has softened too much for your needs and preferences.

If you sell it ... I wouldn't repeat the same mistake and walk into a chain store and only buy another mattress that is low quality and overpriced for what is in it. These guidelines will help you avoid most of the worst choices when you are mattress shopping.

I've decided I need to get something much firmer. My budget is max $600 but would prefer closer to $500 if possible, and I live in NYC. There is a Sleepy's near my apartment, and their prices seem reasonable. Is this a good place to start looking? Are there any other retailers in NYC that would have quality mattresses within my budget?


Unfortunately $5 - 600 and "quality" (depending to some degree on the size you are considering) don't really go together and I would be going for "the best available in the price range".

Some of the better options in the NYC area are in post #2 here and a more detailed description of many of these is in post #4 here .

The size would make a big difference in what was available inside your budget and if you let me know the size you are looking for then I could probably help you narrow down the list a little bit more.

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Re: Back Pain Sufferer-- really need new mattress 01 Oct 2012 21:05 #3

Thanks so much for your help. It's a full size. I figured it wouldn't sell for much unfortunately. Do you have a link discussing the mattress surgery you spoke to? And can you narrow down the list of retailers now that you know I'm looking for a full size mattress?

Thanks !

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Re: Back Pain Sufferer-- really need new mattress 01 Oct 2012 23:34 #4

Hi RoxCo,

For your local choices I would go to ...

www.shovlinmattress.com/ Ron is the owner here. They carry a range of mattresses including innersprings and they have much better quality and value in every price range than what you would find in a chain store. I would call them first to discuss your budget and ask him for his suggestions because they don't list their prices on the site. They are also a member of this site.

dixiefoam I would talk with Mark here. They carry a range of all foam mattresses and hybrids that use high quality polyfoam (ranging from 1.8 lbs to 2.8 lbs) as well as latex (but it's higher than your budget). They have very good quality and value.

Dreamfoam Bedding If you are comfortable ordering online without testing a mattress first ... their Ultimate Dreams is a high quality latex/polyfoam hybrid and you can customize the latex to your choice of firmness level. Chuck is good at helping people make good choices. This is especially good value for a latex hybrid mattress but there are no refunds so make sure you put some thought into the choice of firmness level if you go in this direction. They are a manufacturing member of the site so if you do order from them make sure you tell them you are a member here so you will receive your free shredded latex pillow.

Do you have a link discussing the mattress surgery you spoke to?


Post #13 here has an example but they didn't post the final outcome. There are also several more detailed examples here .

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Re: Back Pain Sufferer-- really need new mattress 02 Oct 2012 10:36 #5

Phoenix,

Thank you so much for your help. I feel it may be important to mention that I had a spinal fusion about a year ago, so spinal support is important for me. I've slept on some very cheap beds that provided better support than the Sealy pillowtop I have now.

I think I'll try DixieFoam this weekend. Their DreamBed Deluxe is within my price range. Do you have any comments on this mattress? How does the value compare to the DreamFoam?

Thank you again.

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Re: Back Pain Sufferer-- really need new mattress 02 Oct 2012 16:31 #6

Hi RoxCo,

Thank you so much for your help. I feel it may be important to mention that I had a spinal fusion about a year ago, so spinal support is important for me. I've slept on some very cheap beds that provided better support than the Sealy pillowtop I have now.


Keep in mind that there are two parts to "support". The first is the deep support that comes from the deeper layers of the mattress which "stops" the heavier parts of the body from sinking in too far and tilting the pelvis causing misalignment. The second part of support is from the upper layers which "allows" the wider lighter parts (such as the shoulders for side sleepers) to sink in enough and to fill in the gaps in the sleeping profile to help support the curves of the spine. These two types of support together lead to spinal alignment in all of your sleeping positions.

I think I'll try DixieFoam this weekend. Their DreamBed Deluxe is within my price range. Do you have any comments on this mattress? How does the value compare to the DreamFoam?


"Value" includes both objective and subjective parts and is really up to each person to determine based on all the factors that are important to them and their own personal "value equation" (many of these in post #46 here .

Based on material cost alone ... the Dreamfoam is probably better "value" but both of these are among the best value in the country and the ability to test a mattress locally ... especially if you have more specific needs ... and all the other factors involved in the link I included are also a significant part of the "value" of a mattress purchase and your own "value equation" is more important than the simple "commodity value" of a mattress IMO.

The DreamBed Beluxe uses very high quality materials and would be a good value and durable choice IMO ... but again it's important to make sure that it "fits" your needs and preferences. The choice between them would be "good vs good" rather than "good vs bad" which is exactly the place where the best final decisions can be made :).

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Re: Back Pain Sufferer-- really need new mattress 02 Oct 2012 17:10 #7

Great, I'll try the DreamBed Deluxe this weekend and report back.

Also, the technician from Raymour and Flanigan is coming next Tuesday to inspect the Sealy pillowtop I'm having problems with. I doubt they'll be able to help, but is there anything I could say that you think might be able to swing things in my favor?

Thanks.

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Re: Back Pain Sufferer-- really need new mattress 03 Oct 2012 00:25 #8

Hi RoxCo,

Unfortunately there really isn't much you can say that will affect them. It's pretty much a matter of measuring any impressions (and checking for proper support and stains). If the impressions are more than the 1.5" warranty exclusion (and there are no stains, the mattress is properly supported, and there is no evidence of damage) then it would be a valid warranty claim but this isn't very likely.

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Re: Back Pain Sufferer-- really need new mattress 03 Oct 2012 15:38 #9

Gotcha. This site lists the specifications for the mattress-- blog.oregonlive.com/premium/the_mattress_expert/2011/06/sealy_posturepedic_carrara_plu.html

I'm guessing the fact that the mattress has only 1" Super Soft Sealy Foam has led to my problems?

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Re: Back Pain Sufferer-- really need new mattress 03 Oct 2012 20:20 #10

Hi RoxCo,

I'm guessing the fact that the mattress has only 1" Super Soft Sealy Foam has led to my problems?


Actually it's the other way around ... I only wish that all their mattresses had only an inch of polyfoam.

The specs on the mattress you linked shows 2.5" of polyfoam including the hypersoft and the Sealy foam (which is less than most) but this is the plush version without a pillowtop and if yours is a pillowtop like this (same name) ... then you have 3.5" of polyfoam which is even worse (the more lower density polyfoam there is the more effect that foam softening will have).

This is why pillowtops are not a great idea if they contain lower density polyfoam. They can have a great "showroom feel" but that feel doesn't last very long.

Phoenix
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