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Deciding between the Dreamfoam Ultimate Dreams Ultra Plush vs Eurotop 19 Nov 2012 01:41 #1

Hi all,

First off, thanks Phoenix for the wonderful resource that is Mattress Underground. There's so much information here; it's almost overwhelming. :)
I'm trying to decide between the Dreamfoam Ultimate Dreams Ultra Plush and the Ultimate Dreams Eurotop. From what I can see, the differences are:
1) a larger support layer (8" in the Eurotop vs 5.5" in the Plush).
2) ability to change out the latex layer in the Eurotop.

I'm not sure about the value of a larger support layer; everything I've read here regarding thickness discusses the comfort layers, but I don't see anything regarding thickness of support layers. The only other advantage I can think of might be longevity, but I'm not sure that's actually related. Is there something I'm missing?

The value of being able to swap out a layer seems obvious, with the extra peace of mind it gives with ordering online. I suspect that I won't actually swap it out, though. One other possible benefit would be longevity, since a worn-out latex layer could be replaced. But is that really realistic? I'd think the non-replaceable top layer would wear out first. Maybe.

The real question is, of course, are the differences worth an additional $300? Unless there's more here than I realize, my gut instinct after typing this all out is "no." Then again, I started this off thinking that the ability to swap the latex provides pretty decent insurance on not getting the firmness right. Although, my impression is that the post-purchase discussion with Chuck usually results in a good decision. As you can probably tell, I've gone back and forth on this a few times...

Also, one final thing that has me a bit confused is the naming; the definitions of "eurotop" I've found are something along the lines of "having a plushy top comfort layer that's contained within the boxy shape of mattress." Both mattresses have the same 1.5" "super soft reflex foam" under a bamboo quilting, so my guess is that it's just marketing-speak to say higher-end here, yes?

Thanks so much for your insight!

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Re: Deciding between the Dreamfoam Ultimate Dreams Ultra Plush vs Eurotop 19 Nov 2012 02:28 #2

Hi gtr89,

Most of the mattresses you see will be either tight tops, pillowtops, or eurotops.

Tight tops have all the foam and components in a single cover.

Eurotops have the top layers in a separate enclosed compartment that has the regular mattress ticking material on top and usually a non woven fabric in the bottom of the compartment between the eurotop layer and the bottom layers or components of the mattress. They are secured to the mattress to be "flush" on the sides. In the case of the Ultimate Dreams Eurotop this compartment has a zipper.

Pillowtops are similar to a Eurotop but they are like a separate topper where the join between the pillowtop and the rest of the mattress is recessed so the edges of the pillowtop can move more freely which results in a slight increase in softness.

While "words" like pillowtop and eurotop have come to mean "softer" ... it really isn't the case because any thpe of construction can use any layers of foam and you could add thicker layers of foam in a tight top that a eurotop or vice versa so they are really more about the way the upper layers of the mattress are attached to the lower layers.

There is a discussion of the potential benefits of a thicker base layer in post #14 here . A post about the specific benefits of the Ultimate Dreams Eurotop is in post #2 here along with post #39 here .

As you can see ... for most people there wouldn't be a difference they could feel unless they were much heavier than average (say mid 200's and up) and Dreamfoam has said that for most people the feel of the two mattresses is the same.

The real advantage of the Eurotop is the ability to exchange a layer, split the top layer (a different firmness level on each side of the mattress), and as you mentioned to be able to replace it down the road with a different layer if it wears out faster than the deeper layers of the mattress (the upper layers are the most prone to softening even though latex is the most durable of the different types of foam) and also if your needs change down the road you can also change the comfort layer without replacing the whole mattress.

I'd think the non-replaceable top layer would wear out first.

Both mattresses have the same 1.5" "super soft reflex foam" under a bamboo quilting, so my guess is that it's just marketing-speak to say higher-end here, yes?


The 1.5" quilting layer is already very soft and thin so further softening of this layer won't really affect the feel of the mattress. It is just there to soften the hand feel and surface resilience of the latex. If it was thicker it could be a "weak link" but thinner quilting layers are not really a durability issue unless there is more lower quality foam underneath them.

In some ways all of these mattresses could be considered "higher end" (by the standards of many manufacturers) but the Eurtop has some benefits that the others don't have.

Whether these benefits are "worth" $300 would really depend on the preferences of each individual, their "risk tolerance" and their "value equation" (what is more or less important to them). It would probably be fair to say that for some it would be while for others it wouldn't.

Hope this helps

Phoenix
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Re: Deciding between the Dreamfoam Ultimate Dreams Ultra Plush vs Eurotop 20 Nov 2012 22:43 #3

Thanks for your helpful reply, and a great clarification on tight top vs pillowtop vs eurotop. Also, I'm sorry about what essentially was a duplicate post; I don't know how I missed those.

I decided on the Ultra Plush; the base wouldn't do much for me (I'm 5'8" and 165 lbs), and I'm just going to take the risk. The idea of being able to split it would be super appealing if I weren't single and getting a full — a tiny urban apartment is probably in my future. :)

Thanks again for your help and this wonderful resource!

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Re: Deciding between the Dreamfoam Ultimate Dreams Ultra Plush vs Eurotop 20 Nov 2012 23:25 #4

Hi gtr89,

Thanks for your helpful reply, and a great clarification on tight top vs pillowtop vs eurotop. Also, I'm sorry about what essentially was a duplicate post; I don't know how I missed those.


That's no problem. A forum search sometimes can bring up so many posts that it's hard to find the "wheat in the chaff" but I keep a list of the ones that are often asked or are most helpful (or sometimes have a better idea of the search terms that will bring them up) so I certainly don't mind pointing to them when needed.

I decided on the Ultra Plush; the base wouldn't do much for me (I'm 5'8" and 165 lbs), and I'm just going to take the risk. The idea of being able to split it would be super appealing if I weren't single and getting a full — a tiny urban apartment is probably in my future.


Your reasoning is certainly sound to me ... and congratulations on your new mattress :)

Phoenix
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