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Latex and Pocket Coils or All Latex? 25 Jun 2018 14:32 #1

Leaning Latex with Pocketed Coils but wondering all latex?

Hello,

Thank you for all the research and information provided here. I feel all the wiser about what to look for in a mattress. After all the reading and digesting for what seems like several weeks, I believe I’ve narrowed down our choices — latex with pocket coils or all latex — but would love to bounce my thoughts off ya’ll.

First, I want to share that we went to Sleepmaster Mattress (Upstate NY) to test out the custom mattresses they offer and loved the feel of what they call an Organic Latex Hybrid mattress.

This was the configuration:

1. Cotton Organic Cover
2. 1 in wool
3. 1-1/2 in Soft Convoluted Foam (She didn’t explain what type but said it was the very best)
4. 3 in Tally Latex (She mentioned this was inferior to Dunlop)
5. 6 in High-Density Foam (not sure what type but 2.4 grade)

It clearly was well-crafted and beautiful to touch and view.

But … after reading some reviews, posts about latex with high-density foam starting to sag after just a year from people who weigh about the same as my hubs, I became concerned that the mattress we liked might not be the best option. My husband is 6’0 and 210lbs. I am 5’4 and 113lbs. I’m concerned his side would sink and I would end up rolling into him during the night. (Our current mattresses — a Stern & Foster pillow top and an innerspring unnamed mattress that is decards old but I sleep on it anyway because the S&F is worse for me).

Plus, shipping was a problem. I need to ship to Florida and it would cost me $400 min to ship that mattress to Fl. So, online shopping it is …

My reason for leaning toward latex and coils:
  • We tend to sleep hot
  • Do not like memory foam (makes my lower back hurt)
  • Do not like pillow tops (At least the S&F one we have; makes my lower back hurt)
  • Pocket coils seem to be more durable than even high density foam (am I wrong?)
  • Pocket coils seem to be better for sex (sorry if I’ve shocked anyone) Is an all latex bed a snooze for sex? Like, I can’t imagine all latex has the “bounce” of pocket coils?
  • All latex seems out of our budget. I had hoped to purchase a mattress for under $1000 but it seems we may need to go up to $1300 at the least. I’ve seen all latex from Eco Terra and Sleep on Latex for under $1K but I’m skeptical about the feel, quality and long-term durability. From my research, an all latex seems to be at least $1500 minimum. But correct me if I'm wrong about this!

We did test a mattress that had latex and nano coils and a few other layers underneath (more coils and foam I believe) but it was well over $2k. So, just to offer this bit of info, this felt as good to us as the previously mentioned organic latex + HD foam option above — Pressure, Posture …

Ideally would like to have:
  • No off-gassing or minimal (less than 12 hours)
  • No toxic chemicals. Which is why I like wool or bamboo for covers (sensitive to smells. Lowes and
  • Home Depot give me a headache) Some all latex seems blended (natural + synthetic is my guess). Is that toxic or smelly?
  • Good edge support
  • Low motion transfer (weight difference factor)
  • Medium / Medium Firm. We are back and side sleepers primarily. Occasionally I read in bed on my stomach so memory foam is out.
  • Great temperature regulation
  • Shipping to another state

Mattresses I’ve been considering:
  • Plushbed’s Luxury Bliss with Pocket coils
  • Mattresses.net’s Ultimate Hybrid Pocket Coil/Latex
  • Flexus Quadraflex Hybrid
  • Flexus Comfort Mattress All Latex
  • MyGreenMattress Natural Escape
  • Charles P Rogers Powercore.
  • Brooklyn Signature — But not sure about this TitanFlex Gel-infused Foam? Sounds like memory foam to me.

So … latex + coils or all latex? Or is High-Density Foam a real option sans the smellies?

Anything I haven’t considered?

And two more questions:
  1. Why are there so many layers in some mattresses and others have just two layers? More support? More durability?
  2. Why would someone complain about a sinking mattress (all latex)? Does the foundation/platform make a difference and why?

Thank you in advance.

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Latex and Pocket Coils or All Latex? 25 Jun 2018 16:01 #2

Great questions! In August of 2014 Leggett and Platt brought me a new design for pocket coil springs. Ones that were not foam encased, ones that could be rolled and compressed for easy shipping. I was so happy they finally entered the 21st century with this design because they were missing out on the whole Bed in a Box category because before the intro of this new coil system they didn't really have any springs you could roll and compress. Out of this the Ultimate Hybrid was born. I thought what a great combination it would be to marry high quality latex with a pocket coil spring. I asked the Mattress Underground if there was any talk about such a combination and they told me to get it done and that it would be a hit and they were not wrong. In September of 2014 we introduced the Ultimate Hybrid to world and it's probably one of the most copied designs out there today.

The extra bounce factor is a plus when having sex. You asked the questions so I'm going to answer it. It's just easier to establish a rhythm with a pocket coil spring. You also have great air flow so your back won't get all sweaty (says the father of 5 kids). Our Combi zone has extra support on the edges and in the lumbar so you don't feel like you are going to roll off the edges. Everything we do is non toxic from the latex to the bamboo covers. Both pocket coils and latex have low motion transfer.

The big companies like to use many layers just to hit every marketing point they can. The simpler the construction the more durability you will get.

A sinking latex mattress is most often caused by someone putting it on an existing box spring when it should be on a solid platform. An all latex or latex on pocket coils is better than latex on polyfoam in my opinion. Hopefully I've answered all your questions.

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Latex and Pocket Coils or All Latex? 25 Jun 2018 17:09 #3

Hi!

Yes, very helpful.

The extra bounce factor is a plus when having sex. You asked the questions so I'm going to answer it. It's just easier to establish a rhythm with a pocket coil spring. You also have great air flow so your back won't get all sweaty (says the father of 5 kids).


Hah, yes I did and thank you for answering!

Our Combi zone has extra support on the edges and in the lumbar so you don't feel like you are going to roll off the edges. Everything we do is non toxic from the latex to the bamboo covers. Both pocket coils and latex have low motion transfer.


So, this combi zone from L&P … is this the same as the ComfortCore? I forget where I read about it but saw a diagram where the coils on the outside are smaller and the coils on the inside are larger?

The big companies like to use many layers just to hit every marketing point they can. The simpler the construction the more durability you will get.


Interesting and seems to make sense. I personally like simpler and not having to take a running leap to get on the bed.

Everything we do is non toxic from the latex to the bamboo covers. Both pocket coils and latex have low motion transfer.


So, where is the "fire proof" layer then? Inside the cover? I've read some brands have wool somewhere …

A sinking latex mattress is most often caused by someone putting it on an existing box spring when it should be on a solid platform. An all latex or latex on pocket coils is better than latex on polyfoam in my opinion. Hopefully I've answered all your questions.


Great, I had the same thought about latex on polyfoam after some reading about pocket coils. Would the latex hybrid work on a bed platform such as this example?

http://a.co/52iG9E7 http://a.co/52iG9E7

And, would you recommend Dunlop or Talalay for the latex?

Thank you for your help!

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Latex and Pocket Coils or All Latex? 26 Jun 2018 09:34 #4

Yes, this is part of the Leggett and Platt Quantum Edge series previously known as Comfort Core. This is the top of the line Quantum Edge Elite Combi Zone. It's the most expensive spring Leggett and Platt makes to date. We were using wool as the fire barrier the very day the law went into effect in 2007. Others followed our lead.
Yes, we actually link to some of the Zinus products on our website and they work well with our mattresses. Talalay works best for side sleepers and those under 225 lbs. Dunlop works better for heavier people who are mainly back or stomach sleepers.

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Latex and Pocket Coils or All Latex? 28 Jun 2018 08:32 #5

Excellent, thank you! You've been so helpful so far and I've been poking around your website the last few days …

Why do some latex/innerspring coil hybrid mattresses use different thicknesses of latex above the innerspring? I noticed that you offer 3-inches and others offer as little as 1.5-inches. Assuming both were using the same latex (talalay or dunlop), is it just about cost and/or an "opening" to upgrade?

What benefit, if any, is there to having foam under innersprings?

How would you move a mattress such as the innerspring/latex hybrid? I'm heading back to school and debating about whether to invest in a hybrid (innerspring + latex) or just get one of those bed-in-a-box foam mattresses and then donate after I graduate.

I'm also trying to time purchase and shipping (Florida) to a certain date … logistics of a move!

And … would it ever make sense to get a latex topper in the future with a hybrid?

Thank you!

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Latex and Pocket Coils or All Latex? 28 Jun 2018 09:17 #6

Before I brought the Ultimate Hybrid online in 2014 I personally tested many variations and found that 3" of latex was the best way to go. Any less and you could possibly feel the coils through the latex. Those with only 1 1/2" or 2" will soon find this out if they have not already. People like the non toxic aspect of our products and adding poly foam under the coil serves no real purpose and only introduces a lot of chemicals into the product. The mattress can be disassembled into the three components for easy moving. I would keep the cover over the coils but take out and roll the latex portion. If it's only for a couple years then perhaps a bed in the box and add a latex topper over it. Donate the mattress when you are done with school but keep the latex for future use. However quality sleep no matter whether you are in school or otherwise should always have the highest priority.

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Latex and Pocket Coils or All Latex? 28 Jun 2018 09:33 #7

I personally tested many variations and found that 3" of latex was the best way to go. Any less and you could possibly feel the coils through the latex. Those with only 1 1/2" or 2" will soon find this out if they have not already.


Ah, perfect. I was hoping you would confirm my suspicions. Thank you.

People like the non toxic aspect of our products and adding poly foam under the coil serves no real purpose and only introduces a lot of chemicals into the product.


I guess adding the foam layer just makes it seem functional. (More layers must be good, right?)

If it's only for a couple years then perhaps a bed in the box and add a latex topper over it. Donate the mattress when you are done with school but keep the latex for future use. However quality sleep no matter whether you are in school or otherwise should always have the highest priority.


Hmm, interesting idea about the topper though I guess adding a topper would bring the total to roughly the same. I'll think about this one as I agree, sleep is definitely a high priority especially when going back to school!

Thank you, again :)

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Latex and Pocket Coils or All Latex? 28 Jun 2018 09:59 #8

No problem, good luck in school.

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Latex and Pocket Coils or All Latex? 28 Jun 2018 10:13 #9

Thank you and is the number on your website the best way to reach you when I make the decision? What I like about your offerings is the flexibility assuming the pocket coils will last a few years at least. Eventually, we will need to replace that crazy Sterns and Foster mattress we have, too. Maybe my school bed will become the guest room bed … Hmm.

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Latex and Pocket Coils or All Latex? 28 Jun 2018 10:18 #10

Yes, 888-77-DREAM is our toll free and the best way to talk to me. You can also email me direct info@mattresses.net

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