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- Talalay equivelent of a d60 dunlop topper
Talalay equivelent of a d60 dunlop topper
I am exclusively a side sleeper of about 200lb. With my weight I realise that one might recommend a firmer topper, however I have fibromyalgia and any sort of pressure leaves me in pain (hip pain in particular) and unable to sleep which makes things more difficult (hence why the D65 dunlop topper was too hard). Due to the fibromyalgia I like things very soft.
The D60 dunlop topper (Arpico Latex) was OK although I could have gone softer, and lasted 7 years before it became saggy in the middle, however this is unavailable in Australia now (It was supposed to last 10 years, but I understand my weight may cause some problems). I then tried the D65 dunlop (Revor latex) but it caused me some shoulder and hip pain. Talalay was recommended to me as being less likely to cause pain from pressure. I intend for the talalay topper to go on top of the d65 dunlop which I still have, with a chilipad between them as even with latex I overheat easy (the chilipad contains surgical rubber tubing which causes pain if I lie on it directly but is fine under the d60 dunlop although not as effective).
Assuming the talalay and dunlop were the same density, do you know if I would I be more likely to sink through the talalay or would it be the same and would it feel softer or likely the same. I would be unable to send the topper back once bought as I live in Australia and there is no store here that sells talalay toppers so I can't even try them out. I originally bought a d65 dunlop topper to replace my d60 but found it too hard, so I am wary about buying one too hard a second time. The soft talalay topper I am contemplating buying is approximately 4.3 lbs per cubic square foot (20-24 ILD) and the super soft is approximately 3.9 lbs per cubic square foot (14-19 ILD). It cannot be harder than Aripco D60. If it is slightly softer or equivalent to Arpicos D60 I likely would be fine with it, although I still do occasionally wake up with hip pain on this topper. I do wonder if going softer may help with that, but it might just be something that no topper will help with as there is always going to be some pressure on my hip when I sleep on my side.
Also, with the supersoft and my weight, is the issue more that the topper won't last as long or is it that I will sink through it/not be in proper spinal alignment. I am unsure how much more you sink through talalaly than dunlop or if its the same as there's no way for me to test it.
I'd suggest a 19 ILD blended Talalay from Talalay Global (Latex International) if you're able to source one. The blended will be very similar to the all-natural but slightly more supple. The all-natural will be a bit more dense and "elastic", so in theory could "push back" a little harder on your body, although a lot of people may not notice a difference.
Blended is also widely considered the gold standard for durability. Radium Talalay will be similar of course but in my opinion, the TG blended Talalay has the best feel out there when it comes to latex, particularly in regard to pressure relief. I'm not particularly biased and if you were dead set on all-natural Talalay in order to ensure the "most natural" all around (Talalay) latex product, I'd recommend Radium in that case since they don't use any filler and seem to be very consistent. They also carry the additional certification of 'Greenguard Gold' (that's not to knock the TG all-natural which is still a great product).
Btw, if you don't want to look further than the 20-24 ILD topper you're currently considering, I think that would probably be a better choice than than the 14-19. It'll still be soft, especially compared to Dunlop, but should have just enough support so that you don't go right through it. Now that I'm thinking about it, it could potentially be a better option for you than 19 blended Talalay... just understand there's too many variables involved to provide any definitive answers on an online forum.
I'll defer to the forum experts for further comments.
Note to all member manufacturers that sell on Amazon, Amazon restricts a lot of countries outside US from buying from amazon.com these days to funnel the business through their local Amazon site. If you list your product on the Amazon "international store" or "global store" it opens these products up to us. SleepOnLatex does this but I cannot find any others from the member list.
Welcome to the forum .
Thank you for your post and also thank you to @Manimal and @silverbull for adding some really good information.
This particular subject and be a little confusing and sometimes be very difficult to compare. Just for some background information, Dunlop and Talalay aren't directly comparable in terms of firmness using only ILD numbers because there are several factors that can affect how soft or firm a mattress (or an individual layer) feels besides just the ILD of the material (see post #4 here ) and Dunlop and Talalay that are the same thickness and ILD won't feel the same in terms of their firmness for most people because they have a different response curve and compression modulus (how quickly a material becomes firmer as you sink into it more deeply). There is more about the difference between Dunlop and Talalay in post #7 here .
Additionally, the ILD of different materials or different types and blends of latex also aren't always directly comparable to each other (see post #6 here ) partly because ILD can be measured in different ways and partly because ILD isn't the only factor that affects the softness or firmness of a material so again using the ILD or other specifications of a particular layer or combination of layers as a reliable indication of how any mattress will "feel" or how firm it will feel to you compared to another mattress with a different combination of layers can sometimes be more misleading than helpful.
The soft talalay topper I am contemplating buying is approximately 4.3 lbs per cubic square foot (20-24 ILD) and the super soft is approximately 3.9 lbs per cubic square foot (14-19 ILD). It cannot be harder than Aripco D60. If it is slightly softer or equivalent to Arpicos D60 I likely would be fine with it, although I still do occasionally wake up with hip pain on this topper.
Do you know if the Talalay manufacturer is Talalay Global or Radium? Both are great, just minor differences in formula and ILd ranges. Some of the data you provided is a bit different than some of my "research / info".
24ILD was closer to averaging a D60 (3.75lbs/cubic foot) .....and 28ILD averaged closer to 4.3lbs (69kg/meter cubed) ...this is not public info and can differs between TG and Radium. Just more of info from my notes and interviews w latex people.
Given all this, I agree w other Manimal probably the 24ILD Talalay is the best choice between the two Talalay choices.
Thank you again, and please let me know if you have any more questions.
I did consider the dunlop latex from this site, but when I emailed them they said there soft toppers were d65, which I find to hard. I couldn't find any dunlop toppers that were d60 that I could get to Australia for a reasonable price. The talalay toppers I am considering are on ebay being sold by belowcostliquidator. They will ship to Australia for approx 100 AUD.
Of course the problem with that is if I find it too hard there is no real way to return it once you pay that in shipping and latex toppers are expensive anyway. Latex is the only material I won't over heat with through.
It will be a bit subective, but if the main concern is that the Talalay topper be softer than the D60, then you may want to consider the 19-20 ILD. Since this is going on top of the D65 layer you already have, this will add extra plushness and contour and pressure relief to the mattress.