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Lower backs hurt with new Sleep on Latex mattress

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08 Aug 2019 12:10 #11 by justishar
I was in your same situation with your SleepOnLatex mattress and am 6'1 175lb myself. I actually completely agree with Sleep On Latex that you should not go with one of their toppers, but go for a medium soft Talalay topper that is slightly firmer than the one that SleepOnLatex provides. The reason for this is that their soft layers are actually extremely soft and I found that I sunk right through it. I would personally recommend looking for something like 3" 22-25 ILD for your Talalay topper to go on top of your medium firmness 6" SleepOnLatex.

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08 Aug 2019 13:32 #12 by Latex Mattress Factory.
Are you encountering any problems specific to a lack of secondary support, or is this just a matter of feel & preference? Please keep in mind that you don’t always “feel” secondary support in the way that you might think, but you’ll notice if you’re getting enough of it because of the lack of pain or discomfort.

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08 Aug 2019 13:53 - 08 Aug 2019 15:30 #13 by The Toddler

Latex Mattress Factory. wrote: Are you encountering any problems specific to a lack of secondary support, or is this just a matter of feel & preference? Please keep in mind that you don’t always “feel” secondary support in the way that you might think, but you’ll notice if you’re getting enough of it because of the lack of pain or discomfort.


It is based on a feel/preference, but I do get some mild discomfort. Just some stiffness in the lower middle back right where the lowest rib meets the spine, with the side depending on which side I've been laying on. It goes away very quickly when I shift positions, but I notice myself feeling more tired than usual during the day than when I was laying on my firm mattress by itself. Kind of echoing what justishar said -- I feel like I'm kind of going right through the topper, like it's not very substantive.

edit: I’d like to retract part of what I said about going through. I’ve laid down again and I’m feeling some benefit. But again, I don’t feel like there’s any substance in the sections where it’s filling in the gaps. I feel like I need more pushback in those areas.
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08 Aug 2019 17:26 #14 by Latex Mattress Factory.
In that case, a soft Dunlop topper would likely be a better choice than a soft Talalay topper. Please note that the soft Dunlop topper will be just as soft or firm as the soft Talalay topper, but it won’t have as much “give” to it. The other option would be to get a medium Talalay layer, which would be firmer than the soft Dunlop layer by a noticeable degree, and we don’t normally recommend medium for the top layer for people under 180 pounds unless they prefer a firmer mattress.

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14 Aug 2019 18:16 #15 by The Toddler

Latex Mattress Factory. wrote: In that case, a soft Dunlop topper would likely be a better choice than a soft Talalay topper. Please note that the soft Dunlop topper will be just as soft or firm as the soft Talalay topper, but it won’t have as much “give” to it. The other option would be to get a medium Talalay layer, which would be firmer than the soft Dunlop layer by a noticeable degree, and we don’t normally recommend medium for the top layer for people under 180 pounds unless they prefer a firmer mattress.

After a few more nights I think I have a new insight into what's happening in my situation. Although the soft latex is very soft, I think it's not dense enough to completely take away the very firm feel of the mattress below it. Would your recommendation for the dunlop or firmer talalay still stand? I feel like that would work but it's also a bit counterintuitive -- although those two choices would feel a bit firmer initially, they wouldn't let me sink in as much toward the firm surface beneath.

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15 Aug 2019 17:14 #16 by Latex Mattress Factory.
Yes I would try either a soft Dunlop or medium Talalay, and either one has a good chance of working for you, but I can’t say in advance which one would be better. If it would help, we’d be happy to send you latex samples. Just email your name and shipping address to support@LatexMattressFactory.com

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18 Aug 2019 20:44 #17 by stmslpr
This is so similar to what i'm going through with my new talalay mattress. I found it so hard to tell if it was too soft or too firm. I felt like for sure i'm sinking in a bit more than i'd like but it didn't seem like it was too much sinkage. At the same time it also felt like it was to firm and hurting my ribs, joints (knees etc) and generally feel uncomfortable pressure points.

I also had come to some conclusion at one point where i thought, i think the top 2" soft layer was not strong enough or "dense" enough to support me enough and i sink into the hard firm core underneath. I tried flipping the mattress upside down and sleeping on the firm core but it still wasn't good. I felt like i still sunk, but less so, into a unforgiving core. So it was almost a double whammy of not being quite supportive enough and sinking into a hard surface which almost seems to worsen the initial lack of support at the top inch or two. My back and joint pain have definitely been worse since the new mattress.

I'm considering trying to go and put a nice thick plush, but denser topper on top (memory foam or something else). You're right, it almost seems the latex isn't "dense" enough. I mentioned this a few weeks ago too.

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12 Sep 2019 04:14 #18 by eh1160
Quick update. We decided to go with the 3" soft talalay topper from Latex Mattress Factory. Unfortunately I think we went too far in the opposite direction. While the Sleep On Latex mattress didn't have enough "give", the talalay topper gave too much. The middle part of my body sunk in too much, curving my spine. The result was worse that than the original problem.

At this point we are returning the topper (getting it to fit back into the box was fun...I have some advice if anyone is interested). We considered exchanging it for Latex Mattress Factory's 2" topper, but I'm concerned it would also "give" too much. We might go with Sleep On Latex's 1" soft topper, but are still undecided.

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12 Sep 2019 07:45 #19 by mendelnewton
I want to give you some input based on my experience. The problem may not be with the topper but 6 inches of medium core. I assume you have two layers for medium that are 3 inches each? In that case maybe swap one for 3" Firm or Extra Firm Dunlop. That way you can try different configurations of layering to get the best possible zoning effect.
I am 5'8" and 160 Lbs. Mostly back and side sleeper occasionally stomach. I have four laters : Extra Firm, Firm, Medium and 2" Soft Talalay. When I layered them Top to Bottom: Soft, Med, Firm, E.Firm, I felt I was sinking in and had back pain. So I reaaranged it as Soft, E.Firm, Med, Firm. It was the best for me, got good core support and contouring support for all sleeping positions.

So bottom line, if you had 3 different densities, you will have more options to play around with and find the right feel. For example, with 3 minimum layers some do top to bottom: Medium, soft, and Firm, OR Soft, Firm and medium.
With just two densities: 6" Med and 3" Soft, you may not have much options with achieve a zoning effect.

Just my 2 cents. Think about it. If you have free return window utilize it to try different combinations.

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12 Sep 2019 11:29 - 12 Sep 2019 12:02 #20 by Sweet Dreams
Just a point of clarification about SOL's latex mattresses, they come in either Standard or Low Profile versions. The Low Profile mattress is a single 6" natural latex core, while the Standard version adds a 2" latex comfort layer on top of a 6" core. Their Standard 8" mattress configurations are as follows:

Standard Soft - 24 ILD 6" base with a 2" 20 ILD top layer
Standard Medium - 34 ILD 6" base with a 2" 20 ILD top layer
Standard Firm - 44 ILD 6" base with a 2" 30 ILD top layer

If you want more flexibility in arranging layers as suggested by @mendelnewton above you could order a combination of SOL toppers and assemble your own custom mattress within a cover (which is available and ordered separately), rather than going with their Standard mattress which uses a solid 6" core. As far as swapping layers though their policy allows a single return per product category within one year, so if you make a single exchange you can't return or exchange it again.

(I'm not sure this discussion focused on SOL really belongs here in Latex Mattress Factory's forum, but wanted to add the above info since it's directly related to this thread. Hope it helps!)

- Bill
Last edit: 12 Sep 2019 12:02 by Sweet Dreams.

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