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16 Dec 2017 21:49 #1 by Peep
Hi All,
I previously posted on reddit, where I got some good guidance from a member of mattress underground. I'm looking for a little of advice on which way to go regarding my decision between the Quadra-flex and 13" natural comfort "cloud" as dubbed by James at the Flexus showroom.

I had a situation at home where I needed to get rid of my 10 year old mattress (cat accident) and have spent the last week or more sleeping on the couch and going down the mattress research rabbit hole. I'm female with wide-ish hips, 5'1", 150lbs and primarily sleep on my side but occasionally wake up on my back. I prefer a soft feel and am prone to lower back aches, migraines and shoulder tension. I thought that I strictly wanted a hybrid mattress since I previously hated the all foam beds I've tested (until today). And since the safety of materials are a concern for me, my research lead me to latex. A little googling later and here I was on this forum.

I made a trip to the Flexus showroom to see if I would even like lying on latex and after spending 3 hours there, am now certain that this is what I want. Originally, I wanted to try out the Quadra-flex in soft, which I ended up enjoying after we added a soft topper. That made it ~5" of soft latex over coils. Comfortable and supportive but not as soft as I expected, although miles above my old pillowtop. Then I tried the 13" all latex and loved it. It was 10x more comfortable than my old one and much more supportive than I thought it would be.

I also tried the 10" all latex at $1500 in different combinations but it wasn't as comfortable to me as the other two options and adding a topper would bring the cost right back up to that of the 13".

My dilemma is which one to choose. I would like a queen size and my budget originally was ~$1200 and the Quadra-flex with the topper comes out to a little less than that. The 13" all foam is ~$1700 which is significantly higher than what I budgeted, although it comes with two pillows and either a mattress cover or sheets.

Since I'm upsizing, I was hoping to purchase a platform bed and if I want to stay on budget for the whole package, I will have to forfeit getting something nice for something more practical like a basic foundation. Unless I just put the bed on the floor when I get it and worry about frame and foundation later but these mattresses are HEAVY and I'm not the strongest of people.

I'm not sure what to do here. I think I would have been satisfied with the Quadra-flex + topper had I not discovered the "cloud" but once I did, I kept going back to it. I think I could be happy with either, honestly, but I am generally terrible at making decisions and this is a big one to make. I'd hate to have buyer's remorse either way - if I settle for one vs overspending on the other.

Any guidance or advice on how to make a choice will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks, all.

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17 Dec 2017 14:40 #2 by Phoenix
Replied by Phoenix on topic Need help choosing a Flexus
Hi Peep,

Welcome to the Mattress Forum! :)

I think that just about every person who buys a mattress or is a member of the forum has wrestled with a similar scenario which is all about how to choose between "good and good" choices. At this point ... it's time for me to step out of the way and I don't think anyone can or even should tell you what to choose at this point but some guidance in how to choose may be helpful. The best news is that you have eliminated all your worst choices and in terms of quality it would be difficult to make a mistake.

Every mattress purchase though includes more than just the "material value" of the mattress and all the many tradeoffs involved in the mattress itself as well as all the other options and services that are part of every mattress purchase are all part of what I call your " personal value equation ". There is also more about the most important parts of the "value" of a mattress purchase in post #13 here , but in the end everyone will need to decide what is most important to them and attach a "value" to all the objective, subjective, and intangible factors that are part of any final decision. There is no "best and worst" any longer at this point ... only best for YOU.

While you didn’t list the layering combination in the 13” mattress you liked, from your description it sounds as if it allowed for a bit more gently contouring to your hips and shoulders, which can happen when using certain latex layers in the deeper support core versus certain innerspring units. You’ll just want to make sure that there is enough deep support for your alignment, as you mentioned that this can be an issue for you. The good news is that you do have a layer exchange program from Flexus should you decide that you need to make a change within 90 days.

The best thing is that you were able to test out both of these items in person, as that will be the most reliable indicator of your preference for comfort. As you mentioned, you’ll probably be served well with either choice, but it will come down to those items in your value equation and your comfort preference versus your budget. And as you're probably aware, Flexus is a site member here, and I do think highly of their products and their advice.

Phoenix

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17 Dec 2017 18:33 - 17 Dec 2017 18:34 #3 by Peep
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Hi Phoenix,

Thanks for the advice!

The 13" is a combo of 3 layers of medium with a soft on top. In terms of support, I'm still not entirely sure how to know if I'm getting the right support for my body. I think I'll just need to sleep in the bed for a few weeks to really know if it's right for me.

I am going back in a day or two to make my decision and purchase the mattress.
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17 Dec 2017 19:27 #4 by Phoenix
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Hi Peep,

You're welcome!

The key will be when sleeping upon your side to make sure that you are not sinking in too deeply with an excessive lateral curvature. This article speaks to this in a bit more detail.

As you've narrowed things down to two finalists, I would focus in on those two when you visit and not necessarily "reinvent the wheel" and go through the entire shopping process again.

Phoenix

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17 Dec 2017 21:11 - 17 Dec 2017 21:16 #5 by Peep
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Great, thank you! I most likely will go alone so having someone measure my spine will be difficult but maybe James will help :)

I've been reading through the foundation thread and I think that I'll get something affordable and simple like the Ikea - Espevar . I read on here someone choosing this as their base for their king size all latex and it turned out to work well. Another option is the Tarva which would be more permanent and I like that it's untreated wood because I steer away from particle board. Is that one sturdy enough with the Luroy slats or would I need to add additional bed slats? There is an Ikea nearby so I can pick one up and assemble it while I wait for my mattress to be delivered.
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18 Dec 2017 10:38 #6 by Phoenix
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Hi Peep,

Great, thank you! I most likely will go alone so having someone measure my spine will be difficult but maybe James will help


I’m sure they’ll be happy to do their best to accommodate you. While true mapping of your spinal alignment would be the job of a biomechanist or orthopedist, your own personal testing combined with assistance from a qualified comfort consultant and/or combined with photos from your cell phone can be very helpful.

I've been reading through the foundation thread and I think that I'll get something affordable and simple like the Ikea - Espevar . I read on here someone choosing this as their base for their king size all latex and it turned out to work well. Another option is the Tarva which would be more permanent and I like that it's untreated wood because I steer away from particle board. Is that one sturdy enough with the Luroy slats or would I need to add additional bed slats?


Check with Flexus regarding your particular foundation thoughts and make sure that they approve of these to be used with any mattress you’re considering. The Espevar has slat spacing at approximately 2.75”, which generally works for most all-latex mattress constructions. The Tarva would use a bowed-slat system, and some mattress manufacturers do not prefer these systems to be used with their products.

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05 Mar 2018 11:13 - 05 Mar 2018 11:14 #7 by Peep
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Hi there. Thanks for your advice when I was looking to order my latex bed.

I ended up ordering a 4 layer, 13" latex bed from Flexus. After 1 layer swap due to the original being too firm, I felt that it was still uncomfortable and ended up flipping the dunlop layers over to their more forgiving sides. After a couple combinations of this, I've decided that the mattress is not for me and will be returning it to Flexus. I am waking up with back pain and I miss the feeling of sinking in to my bed after sleeping on a euro pillow top for 8 years.

So I guess I'm back at square 1 and will be starting a new mattress hunt. Any brands that have a return policy I should research? I'm almost at the end of my 90 trial so I might end up back on the couch until I can find something new to purchase.

Thanks in advance.
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06 Mar 2018 07:39 #8 by MattressToGo
You're not specific about the actual layers used in your mattress nor your back pain, but you seem to like to sink into the mattress more than what your Flexus offered, so deep support generally wouldn't be the issue, so maybe it was either the overall firmness of the layers or the resiliency of latex that you didn't prefer. So maybe something using more "traditional" polyurethane foams or perhaps memory foam in the comfort layers will be more suitable to your preference. And realize that "Eutrotop" is not a comfort (plushness) preference - it is only nomenclature used for a certain type of mattress assembly. So when looking at new mattresses, don't focus on Eurotop or Pillowtop, but instead on the materials used inside. This will help guide you toward making an informed decision toward a plushness that might work better for you.

As for return or exchange policies, most online vendors will have some sort of policy in place, as most of these mattresses are not available for people to test in person. It's always important (and incumbent upon the consumer) to fully investigate these policies before making a purchase so that you can be fully aware of what options you might have to modify or return a product should it not work out well for you. Sometimes local stores will also offer trial periods, although when you are able to test an item out in person the importance of such a policy tends to diminish (but this is of course up to your own personal level of importance to have such a policy available to you). There generally wouldn't be one specific brand to investigate for such policies, as they are quite ubiquitous. Thirty days is generally enough for people to determine if something is a fit for them. I'd tend to focus primarily upon quality of materials, materials that you tend to prefer (or avoiding ones that you don't), and then confirm things like return policies.

Hopefully that helps you out a bit in your new search.

Jeff Scheuer, The Beducator™ Owner of Mattress To Go
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06 Mar 2018 17:43 #9 by Peep
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Thanks for the advice. I have 3 layers of medium dunlop with a 3" soft talalay comfort layer. I have lower back pain. I tried different combinations, having started with a firm bottom layer that was too firm. After swapping the firm for a medium, I arranged the layers to have the smooth, more taught sides up. This didn't give me as much pain but it wasn't very comfortable to me either. I kept turning from one side to the other all night. Next, I flipped the layer beneath my comfort layer to the more forgiving, porous side and that almost eliminated the pain, but still wasn't totally comfortable. (In hindsight, this was probably the best combination for me). Now I have it arranged so that all the layers are smooth side down, with the porous side up. I wake up in the middle of the night with back pain that lasts all day.

I think that my issue wasn't that the mattress was too firm, but just not comfortable to my preferences. As I mentioned, I like to be nestled into bed with a combo of softness and support. I think my set up now is not giving me enough support and is actually too soft, so my hips are sinking too far.

Thanks for the confirmation and advice on what you think I should look for. Any guidance on the types of materials I should seek out or may encounter in my search? The names and variety of foams listed in these specs I'm seeing is overwhelming and don't provide a lot of useful information to me.

I mentioned in another thread that I have tried the Nest Alexander Hybrid and that I plan on checking that out again. There is also a local shop, Mattress Central, in the LA area that has a good customer satisfaction reputation and a seemingly generous return and exchange policy.

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07 Mar 2018 08:37 #10 by MattressToGo
Overall it seems that you are deferring too much toward surface plushness and sacrificing deep support in doing so (at least that's what your combinations suggest), which is a common mistake for many people. Alignment/support is primary, and waking up sore tends to point toward that with the combination as you currently have it arranged.

I can't pick what materials you might like but it could be that you'll respond better to something less buoyant in the upper layers (memory foam or polyurethane foam) and you may like innersprings for your support core better than latex. That will just have to be something you'll need to experiment with in your testing. Just make sure you have good deep support and don't choose too much soft materials in the upper layers. The mattress shopping tutorial on this site has good guidelines on how to select a mattress and guidance on foam densities to look for.

Good luck!

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