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10 Jul 2020 11:59 - 10 Jul 2020 12:05
Replied by Phoenix on topic Nest Latex Hybrid vs. Brooklyn Bloom Hybrid

Nest Latex Hybrid vs. Brooklyn Bloom Hybrid

Category: General Mattresses Questions

Hello Endymion!

Regarding the latex hybrids, is the polyfoam in the Nest Latex Hybrid any cause for concern in terms of heat retention? I've read that there are different types of polyfoam (lower and higher quality), and that it is more breathable than memory foam but could still retain heat.


I understand your concern regarding heat retention. While all foams are insulators to a degree, there are also other factors and interconnected variables including your own heat tolerance even within the “sleep hot” range. The more you sink-into a mattress (the plusher it is) the more potential you have for sleeping warmer. (Memory foam is the least breathable foam, followed by polyfoam and then latex) In very general terms ... the materials, layers, and components of a sleeping system that are closer to your skin will have a bigger effect on airflow, moisture transport, and temperature regulation than materials, layers, and components that are further away from your skin. While the .1” is cotton & wool will certainly mitigate temperature regulation issues and because all layers work together ... the 1.5” quilt poly layer would be less breathable and temperature regulating than the latex below and the Stretch Knit Cotton and Joma Wool. See more in post #6 in this thread about what makes a mattress ‘hot?’ .

Would the Brooklyn Bloom Hybrid (or something like the Plushbeds Luxury Bliss) sleep cooler because they avoid polyfoam in the top layers of their mattress? Unlike Nest, it looks as if Brooklyn Bedding and Plushbeds opt for a cotton/wool upper layer only.


Cotton and wool are more temperature-regulating than synthetic materials. Wool and Alpaca are great temperature regulators because they trap air (which is an insulator) but also allows humid air and moisture to be transported away from the body and stores moisture inside the fiber which is moving it away from the skin thus keeping the cooling cycle going (which is why it is used so successfully in both cold and hot climates).

On a slightly related note, are firmer latex hybrids typically better for those with mild back soreness?


Depends on the cause of the “mild back" soreness. If its an alignment issue it is most likely better to err on the side of caution and opt for a firmer bed. You can read more about different "symptoms" that people may experience seeping on a mattress (in Post #2 which is a primary reference post)... The only way to know for certain whether a specific mattress is a good "match" for both of you in terms of comfort, firmness, and PPP is based on your own careful testing or personal experience. If you can't test in person then there will always be some risk and uncertainty involved because the specifics of the mattress itself along with your own body type, sleeping position, and preferences can affect which would be the most suitable choice.

The best way to get closer to what you can expect from any specific product would be a conversation with the manufacturer (in this case both NestBedihng and BB have a great track record of knowledge, expertise, and excellent customer support that can help choose the type, thickness, and firmness for a mattress that has the least possible risk and the best chance for success.)

I hope this adds a bit more depth to the great interaction you've had with our moderators and subscribers. I am looking forward to an update!

Phoenix
30 Jun 2020 15:23
Replied by Endymion on topic Nest Latex Hybrid vs. Brooklyn Bloom Hybrid

Nest Latex Hybrid vs. Brooklyn Bloom Hybrid

Category: General Mattresses Questions

Hi, Sensei. I'm checking back in after drifting away during the pandemic lockdowns (and my pesky e-mail putting Mattress Underground updates in my spam folder for some reason).

Regarding the latex hybrids, is the polyfoam in the Nest Latex Hybrid any cause for concern in terms of heat retention? I've read that there are different types of polyfoam (lower and higher quality), and that it is more breathable than memory foam but could still retain heat. Would the Brooklyn Bloom Hybrid (or something like the Plushbeds Luxury Bliss) sleep cooler because they avoid polyfoam in the top layers of their mattress? Unlike Nest, it looks as if Brooklyn Bedding and Plushbeds opt for a cotton/wool upper layer only.

On a slightly related note, are firmer latex hybrids typically better for those with mild back soreness? Some review cites point to a delicate trade-off between support (for the firmer models) and pressure relief (for the medium/medium-firm models).

Thanks!
15 Jun 2020 09:54
Replied by snickerful on topic Looking for comparisons to Plushbeds Cool Bliss

Looking for comparisons to Plushbeds Cool Bliss

Category: General Mattresses Questions

Hello Jmadden! I have been eyeing this cool bliss mattress as well as their all latex mattress and wondered what you ended up choosing and how it is working out for you and your wife..? Would love to hear from you. Thank you.
08 Feb 2020 11:26
Replied by Eddieknj on topic Split topper question

Split topper question

Category: Arizona Premium Mattress / LATEX & HYBRID MATTRESSES, ADJUSTABLE BASES, COMPONENTRY

Hey Phoenix

I am trying to find a topper for some shoulder and hip pressure relief. I currently am sleeping on a Charles P. Rogers Estate Lifetime 5, but it's still to firm for side sleeping. I believe the ILD of the latex is 28.

I was thinking either the 4lb visco gel topper from lake mattress + furniture
5lb from foamorder
or the 5.3lb from plushbeds

I also have a wool topper from holy lamb organics that I use currently, was hoping I could still use it on top of the memory foam.

Thanks!
24 Jan 2020 06:34
Replied by Luma Sleep on topic Unable to decided between two mattresses

Unable to decided between two mattresses

Category: Luma Sleep /LATEX & HYBRID MATTRESSES, MATTRESS COMPONENTS

Hello eileenmarie46,
We are not trying to scare you away from Plushbeds, just cautioning you that when you deal with a company that is not a Trusted member of The Mattress Underground, you do not have Phoenix and company to support you if there is a dispute with the retailer. If Plushbeds provides you the information in writing, then you can rest with some assurance that they will do as they say in writing.
You have done the work and the shopping to determine what it is that you want. No reason to change it to something else unless you have to.

Team Luma
24 Jan 2020 05:56
Replied by Luma Sleep on topic Unable to decided between two mattresses

Unable to decided between two mattresses

Category: Luma Sleep /LATEX & HYBRID MATTRESSES, MATTRESS COMPONENTS

Thanks, Bill for the clarification. This is exactly why eileenmarie46 needs to get what she was told over the phone in writing from Plushbeds.

Team Luma
24 Jan 2020 05:31
Replied by Sweet Dreams on topic Unable to decided between two mattresses

Unable to decided between two mattresses

Category: Luma Sleep /LATEX & HYBRID MATTRESSES, MATTRESS COMPONENTS

PlushBeds's return policy is detailed on their website , and includes the requirement to for the customer to box the mattress for the curbside pickup: "You will simply need to box the mattress for shipping and we will arrange for a curbside mattress pickup." It doesn't specifically state that you'll need to purchase a suitably sized mattress box since the original shipping box cannot be used once the mattress has been opened and uncompressed, but that's how it works if you reach that point. It also states that any accessories provided with the sale have to be returned in new and unopened condition or a $99 convenience fee will be deducted from your purchase price refund. There's a lot of details included on the linked page for reference.

- Bill
24 Jan 2020 04:45
Replied by Luma Sleep on topic Unable to decided between two mattresses

Unable to decided between two mattresses

Category: Luma Sleep /LATEX & HYBRID MATTRESSES, MATTRESS COMPONENTS

Hello eileenmarie46,

Thanks for reaching out to Luma Sleep through The Mattress Underground and thanks also to Sweet Dreams for providing useful insight into PlushBeds' policies. PlushBeds is not a Trusted member of The Mattress Underground. One of the key things we have learned over the years in dealing with retailers, both stores and online, is to not take what you are told to be factual but to have the retailer put it in writing for you. We recommend you get back in touch with PlushBeds and get the return process requirements in writing (email, text or chat record all work if there is not an existing written document). Think of it as insurance.

Hope this helps!

Team Luma
23 Jan 2020 11:04
Replied by Sweet Dreams on topic Unable to decided between two mattresses

Unable to decided between two mattresses

Category: Luma Sleep /LATEX & HYBRID MATTRESSES, MATTRESS COMPONENTS

eileenmarie46 - Sorry to hear about your mattress issues so far, and I hope that the PlushBeds Cool Bliss will work out well for you. Unfortunately there's not really any way to accurately predict how well it will meet your needs other than by you sleeping on it. I've dealt with PB and while I found them to be a reputable company you should be fully aware of their return policy which differs from most other online bed companies.

If the mattress doesn't work out for you within the trial period's return window they will arrange to have a trucking company come and pick up the mattress. The service will only come to your curbside (they won't come into your home to get the mattress or help you move it outside) and make the pickup there. PB also requires you to purchase a suitably sized mattress shipping box for the return shipment since you cannot recompress it to be able to reuse the box it was shipped to you in. You are then responsible for getting the mattress into the full sized box you purchase and moving that to the curb for the scheduled truck pickup.

Quite a bit more involved than with most other companies who generally arrange for an in home pickup. Just thought you should be aware of this in case it doesn't work out to your satisfaction, but hopefully it will.
25 Sep 2019 20:59
Replied by Phoenix on topic Manufacturers - do it yourself online

Manufacturers - do it yourself online

Category: General Mattresses Questions

Hi rpk38tn,

Welcome to the forum :).

Congratulations on the new Plushbeds Botanical Bliss mattress! :lol: Glad to hear that your wife enjoys her medium-firm mattress build. I'd be interested to know if your side in the construction suggested by the manufacturer is now working out for your larger BMI split.

Expanding a bit on DIY Natural Bedding excellent advice (thank you @diynaturalbedding)

I just purchased a 4 layer latex (13"), soft, med. med firm, med firm (split) latex botanical bliss from plush beds in the medium set up, and my wife loves her side but I'm a heavier person and need more support since I push right through the top soft layer.


I am assuming that you were referring to the Botanical Bliss 12" model, which is 4-layer mattress 3”, 3”, 3 + 2" top layer. Did you purchase the split king or the Calking? I’d also be curious to know what your BMI is.

They are suggesting the 2nd med layer, be pulled and get an extra firm layer and make that my 3rd layer......I am concerned that having an extra firm on top of the med firm wouldn't make much sense? Shouldn't I have the denser layer on the bottom? I am mainly a back sleeper and sometimes on my side.....


You are correct the majority of the time, mattress makers design the layers in a progressive construction , but it is not unheard of to have layers switched to get a "feel" that is slightly firmer(or plusher). Depending on the construction, sometimes is not a bad idea to do this, and in your case, you are not sacrificing durability or adding a weak link … you can always switch them depending on your needs and preferences as DIY suggests.

I find interesting that on the Plushbeds website which shows the Medium and the Medium firm "versions" or build differently than they advised (as in the picture below). Did they say why they did not offer to exchange the soft for the extra-firm?... then you could have the med/med-firm/med-firm/x-firm as the design of the Medium Firm build shown in the picture? Did you discuss this with them? Do you feel this may be too firm?



Last but not least… did they let you know the ILD/density of each layer?
Arpico is a well-known latex manufacturer. With latex, there is a straight-line relationship between density & ILD/IFD. and as the Dunlop latex 3” layers are cut from 6” cores and the latex particles in Dunlop settle more in manufacturing, a 3" Dunlop layer that is cut from the bottom half of a 6" Dunlop core can be firmer than a 3" layer cut from the top half and the top would be softer than the bottom of the layer while with Talalay it's more consistent from top to bottom. So as Dunlop is not as consistent from top to bottom it would be interesting if they happen to know the approx. densities of the different firmnesses. Dunlop ILD ratings are also often a "guess" and at best are only the midpoint of a range so depending on their precision level you have a few variables to work with.

Thanks again and if you have a chance let us know how the new arrangement is working out for you.

Phoenix.
10 Aug 2019 17:02
Replied by jenninsb on topic Split king/CA King, Latex Mattress, Adjustable Frame

Split king/CA King, Latex Mattress, Adjustable Frame

Category: General Mattresses Questions

I am new to TMU. I have a couple of questions. My hubby and I are looking to buy a natural or organic latex mattress and an split CA King or King adjustable bed. I have been on this site for the better part of two days and I have read lots of great advice, but still not quite sure what to buy.

Me: 53 years old, 5'5", 140 lbs, back & side sleeper
Him: 50 years old, 5'8" 175 lbs, stomach and side sleeper
Both of us are evenly proportioned or possibly narrower in the hips.

Looking at Cozy Pure 10", Sleeping Organic 10& 10", Foam Sweet Foam 13", SleepEZ 13", Zenhaven (Bliss) and Plushbeds.

I feel like I would like a thick mattress with 4 layers because it sounds luxurious. However, is this overkill? Can we get away with 2 or 3?

Any preference in how to layer each of our custom sides?
Based on info I found I am thinking...

me: Soft/medium/medium/firm (assuming 4 layers)
him: Medium/medium/firm/x-firm (assuming 4 layers)
or take out the 1st medium if 3 layers.

We want natural and/or organic 100% latex that if we don't like it we can easily return or swap out layers - no hassles.

For adjustable beds: I want a zero gravity button, wall-hugger, lumbar support that is ergonomically correct (bends at the proper place. I sometimes need to incline my knee (it swells up). I like to watch tv in bed. The tv is wall mounted high on the wall. Is the pillow tilt a must? I would like good quality components and read that a German Motor is the best. Any suggestions on brands?
08 Aug 2019 14:32
Replied by Arizona Premium on topic Berkeley Ergonomics 10" Natural latex versus Plushbeds

Berkeley Ergonomics 10" Natural latex versus Plushbeds

Category: Arizona Premium Mattress / LATEX & HYBRID MATTRESSES, ADJUSTABLE BASES, COMPONENTRY

I am mainly here to answer questions about our products, not our competitors. Check out our version which does use all natural Talalay throughout and is 10" at $1795 every day price for King and includes free shipping. We've been online for 22 years - www.mattresses.net/queen-all-natural-tal...o-cover-upgrade.html
08 Aug 2019 13:03
Berkeley Ergonomics 10" Natural latex versus Plushbeds was created by Bradders79

Berkeley Ergonomics 10" Natural latex versus Plushbeds

Category: Arizona Premium Mattress / LATEX & HYBRID MATTRESSES, ADJUSTABLE BASES, COMPONENTRY

Hello there, I tried out the 10” natural latex mattress made by Berkeley Ergonomics and loved the luxurious feel on the top with still great support from the bottom. Although I was prepared to spend the close to $3000, when I searched on-line I found the Plushbeds 10” latex mattress which is currently on sale for $1799. I usually mistrust steep discounts (regular price for the Plushbed mattress is shown as $2999) and I also know that the latex is different. Natural Talalay in the Berkley mattress and natural Dunlop in the Plushbed. Also the Berkley has camel in the cover – wonder how much of a difference this makes. I understand that beds feel different to different people so I cannot and don’t want to rely on reviews from other people. Sorry this sounds somewhat convoluted, I guess all the research has made my brain hurt and basically I just would really like your valued opinion on the considerable pricing difference to help me decide. Thank you
20 Apr 2019 18:51
Replied by doctorx0079 on topic Narrowed down to Latex… how to decide on appropriate firmness choice?

Narrowed down to Latex… how to decide on appropriate firmness choice?

Category: General Mattresses Questions

Okay, I'm starting to narrow things down. I wish more stores had latex mattresses. I have had a hard time finding an actual latex mattress I can try out. It seems like most latex mattresses are sold online now. I went into Original Mattress and they only carry one latex mattress, the Serenity. At least I was able to compare it to memory foam and innerspring mattresses at the store. I think I prefer the latex, but Original Mattress only has one and there are no choices for firmness. (I was told that they used to have 5 but now it's down to 1.) Original Mattress also does not take returns at all. I am considering Sleep on Latex and PlushBeds. Both of them offer latex mattresses with several choices for firmness, they take returns up to 90 days, and they arrange pickup of returns, unlike some companies where you have to arrange it with UPS yourself. My question is, how can I decide which level of firmness will be right for me? I am replacing a 10 year old Englander Versailles which has started giving me shoulder pain. I usually sleep on my back and I weight 177 pounds, so I'm guessing that Medium might work for me. I also noticed that PlushBeds has some mattresses that allow you to move around the layers, but how hard is it to do that? Isn't it difficult to get the latex back inside the cover?
20 Mar 2019 11:48 - 20 Mar 2019 11:52
Replied by Phoenix on topic Box spring for latex mattress

Box spring for latex mattress

Category: General Mattresses Questions

Hi supasta33,

Thank you for the kind words about TMU,
I am glad to hear that you've had a good experience with Plushbeds. And congratulations on the new mattress. :)! I hope that your one-year-old Boxspring is in good condition and that it works out for your new bed.

will we be doing damage to our mattress if we choose to not get the slats that are 3' apart or whatever the protocol is supposed to be?


Generally, for an all latex mattress, a slatted wood base with solid slats that are no more than 3" apart (or preferably less) is best for all latex mattress. A latex mattress needs just a solid base with enough supportive surface to make sure that it doesn't sink through any gaps and that the base is strong enough and supported on the floor well enough to take the weight of the latex mattress and the people that sleep on it. Normally this means that a slatted wood or even a metal base would be the best. Both of these are rigid non-flexing bases. The characteristics of the box spring are typically designed into the overall sleeping system itself and are an essential part of how the mattress is designed to perform in terms of pressure relief, alignment, and overall feel. In these cases, it is just as important as the mattress itself to achieve the design goals of the sleeping system. This would have more give under the mattress and can also be designed in many different ways to change the way the mattress feels and performs. As you got the "go" from Plush to use the boxspring you may wish to see how the entire system performs for you before moving in a different direction with the foundation. You can read more about foundations in Post #1 here or post #2 here about old box springs under a new latex mattress.

Looking forward to your future updates.

Phoenix
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