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03 Apr 2016 11:29
TLDR: Select Foam has refused to honor their 90 day return policy and now I might be out $1600.

Okay, I have a significant update on my dealings with Select Foam, and specifically with the owner, Matt Ress.

It's probably easiest to just provide a timeline of what's happened:

Nov 2015 - Ordered the Regalis Luxe

Jan 2016 - After giving the Regalis ~ 2 months, we found it to be much too firm. Also, it just didn't have the advertised Tempurpedic memory foam feel. Around this time, Select Foam was removed from TMU membership and many comments were surfacing about how poor Select Foam service was. Still, after Matt offered to exchange the Regalis for the Cirrus Luxe for no additional cost (the Cirrus Luxe was $200-300 more expensive), I decided to go for the exchange instead of the refund. After that, the Cirrus came rather quickly, but it took 2-3 weeks and dozens of phone calls, emails and even text messages (I had Matt's cell number) to arrange for the Regalis to get picked up. Very frustrating. I'll also note that Select Foam requires you to bag and box the mattress before they pick it up. While this might not sound too bad, it's actually a huge pain in the butt. Finding a box big enough to fit around the mattress was difficult and expensive, and it probably took an hour to get it all packaged up. As far as I know, most mattress companies offering free returns do not make you do this.

March 2016The Cirrus wasn't much better. While softer, it still lacked the memory foam feel of it's advertised counterpart, Tempurpedic's Cloud Luxe. We decided Select Foam just wasn't the right vendor for what we wanted and ended up buying a Tempurpedic Cloud Supreme Breeze floor model at 40% off. With the new tempurpedic, we once again went through the arduous task of boxing up the Cirrus to get it ready for Select Foam. I called Matt to let him know that we wanted to return it. He seemed surprised and a bit annoyed, saying something like "Oh, well after I gave you the discount on the last mattress, I kind of assumed that we wouldn't be doing another return, but I guess we never discussed that...". He then, said he'd "look into this later" and get back to me. 3 weeks and dozens of phone calls, texts and emails go by and Matt finally emails me back stating that he would not be able to accept the return since it's been more than 90 days since the purchase of the original mattress (the Regalis purchased in Nov). So basically he's implying that the Cirrus was purchased as a final sale even though he admitted on the phone that we'd never "discussed that". Since that email, he hasn't responded to any of my follow up attempts.

Now I have this giant mattress boxed up in my small living room and I'm out $1600. This has been the worst experience I've ever had with any business and I don't know what recourse I have. I tried to open a credit card dispute, but the original transaction happened well past their cutoff of 90 days. I've looked into small claims court, but I'm not sure how I'd enforce payment even if I won since we're in different states (NY vs FL). All I can think of is posting my experience anywhere I can to let people know to stay away from Select Foam and maybe trying to sell this mattress on craigslist to recoup whatever I can.

If anyone has any suggestions, I'm all ears!
15 Dec 2015 07:04
I ordered a Select Foam Mattress after reading some good things here and reviews on their site. I ordered the Cirrus Supreme with foundation.

I've received my bed and the website still says "processing". That should be a clue they have some difficulties. I've tried to contact them via email, phone, and form on their site and have yet to receive a response thus far.

I've only slept 5 days on my new mattress, but it is very uncomfortable. In no way does it feel like they Tempur they compare it to. It feels squishy on top with absolutely no support and very little contour. I know that mattress have to break in, but this did not feel right at all. I lifted the cover to take a look a the foam layers and what I have is NOT what is described on the website. The website described construction as 2" of 4lb and 2" of 5.3 lb foams. My mattress has a nylon cover sewn over but I can feel the seams. I have 1" of the top layer and 3" of the next layer on top of the foundation. I don't know the density of these foams, but the depth of the layers certainly isn't correct.. My wife had a bed in the box foam bed from a department store that had more comfort and support.

Also, now as I click through the website trying to figure out how to initiate a return I find out that that I cannot return the foundation. What am I going to do with an extra foundation? The foundation has 4.25" between slats, which doesn't even seem like enough support for a memory foam mattress in the first place. If they don't take my foundation I likely will work on a charge back with my credit card company.

Overall I am extremely dissatisfied with my experience there and thought I'd leave a note here since they are one of your recommended companies.
30 Oct 2015 14:26
Hi pressurepts,

Overall it has been a really painful process to deal with Select Foam. Somehow, despite the reviews I optimistically thought I would have good luck. No go.

I ended up ordering the Regalis- which is really really firm. I fact so firm that my arms go numb when lying on back. Forget side-sleeping.


Thanks for taking the time to share your comments and feedback ... and I'm sorry to hear that the mattress you chose isn't working out as well as you hoped for. I'm also sorry to hear that you are also experiencing some of the customer service issues that are far too common with Select foam and is the reason for the caution that I added to their description.

As you probably know from your reading here ... firmness is somewhat subjective and is relative to what someone is used to sleeping on and the perceptions, sensitivity, body type, and sleeping position of the person on the mattress. A mattress that is too firm for one person can be too soft for someone else but for most people your mattress would be more in a "medium firm" range which would be in the widest part of the bell curve that would be suitable for many people. You can see an example in this topic for example of someone else that is both a side sleeper (75%) and a back sleeper (25%) where the Regalis is working very well for them (although it took some time for the mattress to break in and for them to get used to the mattress).

I was thinking of the cirrus luxe or the cirrus supreme but they talked me out of them, saying they were very soft. I should have listened to my gut. And also should have listened to my gut when i saw the complaints about the company.


When you can't test a mattress in person then in most cases the guidance of a knowledgeable and experienced online manufacturer based on the information you provide, their experience, and the "averages" of their many customers over the years will tend to be more "accurate" than the "gut feel" of a customer but of course nobody has a crystal ball that can predict which mattress you will sleep well on for certain because not everyone is inside the averages and even the "best efforts" of a knowledgeable retailer or manufacturer to help you choose a mattress may not turn out as well as you (and they) hoped for. This would be true with any online purchase and is the reason that a good return policy can be an important part of the "value" of an online purchase.

People from the "old school" often think "firmer is better" and generally tend to choose mattresses that are too firm and they don't sink in enough to provide good support under the recessed curves of the body or don't provide good pressure relief (especially for side sleepers).

People that treat mattresses as a "luxury item" rather than a utilitarian purchase that has a very specific function tend to go by "showroom feel" and "subjective comfort" and often tend to choose mattresses that feel great in a showroom but have comfort layers that are too thick and soft or support layers that are too soft to "stop" the heavier parts of the body quickly enough.

Careful and objective testing is very different from the more limited or more "subjective" testing that most people do when they choose a mattress based on "showroom feel" or "gut feel" which in many cases can have a lower chance of success than random chance alone (see this study )

After a couple weeks of trying the bed it was obvious to me that it was too hard. Not only is it uncomfortable, but my hips are at an awkward angle on my side that only a too firm bed could produce. Can't sleep on side and it actually has produced pain in my arms from them going numb on the bed. Perhaps is the heavier density 7 lb memory foam- its just too firm and our room is always pretty cold. (San Fran).


In many cases a couple of weeks may not be long enough to go through the break in and adjustment period that will be part of any new mattress purchase ... particularly with higher density foam (see post #3 here ). This is why they don't allow exchanges or refunds before 30 days which is also a relatively common practice in the industry so that customers don't return their mattress before it has had time to break in or they have had a chance to adjust to a sleeping surface that is different from what they are used to).

The temperature in your bedroom can also have an affect the firmness of a memory foam mattress as well so this could certainly be part of the firmness issues you are experiencing. There are also some suggestions in post #2 here that may be helpful as well. All the layers and components in a mattress have an effect on the feel and performance of every other layer and component above and below it so the reason that a mattress isn't a good "match" for any particular person would be more about the overall design of the mattress and the combined effect of all the layers together than any single layer by itself. With memory foam density and firmness are not directly related to each other and higher density memory foam can be softer (and more pressure relieving) than lower density memory foam.

Now, weeks later- obviously still too hard. Call back- now I'm told to get a topper. Again more money. But I just don't think this is going to work because i already tried the regalia with a topper i have and its still too firm. Why would I keep an uncomfortable bed and try to doctor it up with a topper? That's exactly why I purchased a new bed in the first place- because an uncomfortable bed and topper is what i have now- 2x.


Adding a topper can certainly be an effective solution for a mattress that is too firm and is a very common way to "fine tune" a sleeping system so that the specific mattress/topper combination is a better "match" in terms of PPP than a mattress by itself. A mattress/topper combination that works together is really no different from a mattress that works by itself in any practical terms (and some mattresses are specifically designed for use with a topper) although there is always some risk and uncertainty involved in choosing a topper if you haven't tested the combination in person because the mattress itself along with your own body type, sleeping position, and preferences can affect which specific topper would be a suitable choice on any specific mattress.

One of the benefits of adding a topper is that if a mattress/topper combination turns out to be a good "match" for you in terms of PPP then it also has the advantage of being able to replace just the topper without replacing the entire mattress if it softens or breaks down before the upper foam layers in the mattress (which is quite likely because the upper layers or a sleeping system tend to soften or break down before the deeper layers) or if your needs or preferences change over time and a topper can also help extend the useful life of the mattress underneath it as well.

While of course you are always free to decide on which of their suggestions you may choose to follow ... suggesting a topper for a mattress that is too firm is a very common and standard practice in the industry.

I seriously believe i just set $1000 on fire.. That would have been less painful (literally- my back is so jacked at this point from sleeping on an air mattress). Plus all of the Dr. and physical therapy co-pays.


I don't believe that you have "just set $1000 on fire" since the issues that people experience with them have always been resolved over time (as far as I'm aware) ... but they can certainly take much longer and be more frustrating than they should.

1. I'm told at this point when i call customer service that only Chris can help me with the return or the topper purchase..why? I have no idea... doesn't seem like very efficient customer service. Chris is hardly available, doesn't call back for days. And then he says "you are welcome to talk to other staff".... It's a circuitous mess of never getting anywhere....


I completely agree with your comments here and having only one person in charge of returns that is often difficult to reach is one of the most common reasons for some of the complaints and delays (and the frustration that goes with it) that people have experienced with them.

2. I was actually on the phone with Chris inquiring about the density of the topper i'm supposed to get now- normal conversation - and saying mid-sentence " Oh i have to go. Sorry. Bye. and he hangs up the phone. What? who does that? No explaination or anything.


This sounds very strange to me as well although I don't know the circumstances behind it.

3. My back is in serious pain. I need a bed to sleep on- but can't get a new one until this one gets returned. This is just been one big long drawn out process. It's maddening.

4. I have been way too nice and trusting in this process.

5. I was told on the phone quote " Don't worry about it if you end up ordering the wrong model because you can always return it." I seriously don't believe this at all.


As long as you have confirmed (in writing) that you would still be eligible for a return of both and a full refund ... it may be worth considering the topper before returning the mattress and the topper for a refund (which hopefully won't lead to further delays) because it could be the fastest way to "fix" the issues you are having with your mattress.

If you do decide to return the mattress (either with or without trying the topper first) then I would also make clear to them that given their history and previous customer service issues and delays that if you don't receive your refund within the 10 business days that they say it should take after they have received the mattress back ... that you will be taking further action on day 11 including your comments here, on the better business bureau site, and a complaint to your state's attorney general office.

Thanks again for sharing your experiences and hopefully your issues will be resolved either with a topper or with a return/refund and I hope you have the chance to keep us up to date about what happens and whether you experience any further delays.

NOTE ADDED: Because of their ongoing customer service issues and delays their membership has now been terminated and I would read the warning here before considering them.

Phoenix
30 Oct 2015 11:53
Overall it has been a really painful process to deal with Select Foam. Somehow, despite the reviews I optimistically thought I would have good luck. No go.

I ended up ordering the Regalis- which is really really firm. I fact so firm that my arms go numb when lying on back. Forget side-sleeping.

I was thinking of the cirrus luxe or the cirrus supreme but they talked me out of them, saying they were very soft. I should have listened to my gut. And also should have listened to my gut when i saw the complaints about the company.

It took a really really long time for the mattress to arrive. So long that I was thinking of reporting fraud to the credit card.

After a couple weeks of trying the bed it was obvious to me that it was too hard. Not only is it uncomfortable, but my hips are at an awkward angle on my side that only a too firm bed could produce. Can't sleep on side and it actually has produced pain in my arms from them going numb on the bed. Perhaps is the heavier density 7 lb memory foam- its just too firm and our room is always pretty cold. (San Fran).

I called to say I wanted to return the bed. I got a lot of explaining and got talked into trying the bed for a little longer with quote "don't worry about the trial period time".

I am dumb should have insisted on a return then and there.

Now, weeks later- obviously still too hard. Call back- now I'm told to get a topper. Again more money. But I just don't think this is going to work because i already tried the regalia with a topper i have and its still too firm. Why would I keep an uncomfortable bed and try to doctor it up with a topper? That's exactly why I purchased a new bed in the first place- because an uncomfortable bed and topper is what i have now- 2x.

I seriously believe i just set $1000 on fire.. That would have been less painful (literally- my back is so jacked at this point from sleeping on an air mattress). Plus all of the Dr. and physical therapy co-pays.

Top Frustrations:

1. I'm told at this point when i call customer service that only Chris can help me with the return or the topper purchase..why? I have no idea... doesn't seem like very efficient customer service. Chris is hardly available, doesn't call back for days. And then he says "you are welcome to talk to other staff".... It's a circuitous mess of never getting anywhere....

2. I was actually on the phone with Chris inquiring about the density of the topper i'm supposed to get now- normal conversation - and saying mid-sentence " Oh i have to go. Sorry. Bye. and he hangs up the phone. What? who does that? No explaination or anything.

3. My back is in serious pain. I need a bed to sleep on- but can't get a new one until this one gets returned. This is just been one big long drawn out process. It's maddening.

4. I have been way too nice and trusting in this process.

5. I was told on the phone quote " Don't worry about it if you end up ordering the wrong model because you can always return it." I seriously don't believe this at all.

This sucks you guys. A lot. I haven't gotten descent sleep in months.
27 Oct 2015 14:00
Hi Adeline,

Christeli Madeline (4" of 5.3lbs foam) $1199 free returns up to 50 days
Novosbed Harmony (2" of 3.7lbs gel + 3" of 4lb foam) $1199 free returns up to 120 days
Selectfoam Cirrus Supreme (2" of 4lbs gel + 2" of 5.3lbs gel) $1699 free returns up to 90 days
Dreamfoambed UD Supreme Gel (1.5" 4lb gel + 2.5" 4lb gel) $749 with $99 return up to 45 days

Would you have any recommendation among the listed choices above?
Regarding customer service, warranty, overall quality, etc..


You are certainly looking at some good quality/value choices but as I mentioned in my previous reply with your husbands higher weight range I would be somewhat cautious about choosing a mattress that used more than about an inch or two of 4 lb memory foam.

Once you have narrowed down your options to a list of finalists that are all choices between "good and good" and none of them have any lower quality materials or "weak links" in their design relative to your weight and if at that point there are no clear winners between them (which is usually a good indication that you have done some very good research) then you are in the fortunate position that any of them would likely be a suitable choice and post #2 here can help you make a final choice based on your local testing or mattresses you have slept well on, your more detailed conversations about each of them, your confidence about PPP and the suitability of each one, the quality and durability of the materials, their prices, your preferences for different types of materials, the options you have after a purchase to fine tune the mattress or exchange or return the mattress or individual layers, any additional extras that are part of each purchase, and on "informed best judgement" based on all the other objective, subjective, and intangible parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you.

Phoenix
27 Oct 2015 09:33
Dear Phoenix,

I called several of the manufacturers you listed to find a close match to the Tempur Cloud Supreme Breeze (ie. 2" of 4.1lbs + 2" of 5.3lbs foam).
Here they are:

Christeli Madeline (4" of 5.3lbs foam) $1199 free returns up to 50 days
Novosbed Harmony (2" of 3.7lbs gel + 3" of 4lb foam) $1199 free returns up to 120 days
Selectfoam Cirrus Supreme (2" of 4lbs gel + 2" of 5.3lbs gel) $1699 free returns up to 90 days
Dreamfoambed UD Supreme Gel (1.5" 4lb gel + 2.5" 4lb gel) $749 with $99 return up to 45 days

Would you have any recommendation among the listed choices above?
Regarding customer service, warranty, overall quality, etc..

Thank you
Adeline
01 Aug 2015 11:01
Hi Cajen9669,

Welcome to the site ... and I'm glad you found us :)

In perceived order of preference... willing to and may well change based upon what I hear back from folks.
Select Foam -- Cirus Supreme ES-11 (a little worried about BBB rating and complaint content)

Dream Foam-- 12" Gel Supreme (like it that they are sister company to Brooklyn Bedding - the BME medium is my 4th Choice

Leaf and Loom -- L&L Relaxed Firm

Again, any and all information, rumors, thoughts, good karma is welcome. Oh, and Phoenix, if you wish to comment that is also very welcome.


There is more about the most important parts of the "value" of a mattress purchase in post #13 here which which can help you make more meaningful quality/value comparisons between mattresses in terms of suitability (how well you will sleep), durability (how long you will sleep well), and the overall value of a mattress compared to your other finalists (based on all the parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you).

In terms of suitability ...

The first suggestion I would have is to confirm is that the Tempurpedic Supreme Breeze really is the best "match" for you in terms of PPP (Posture and alignment, Pressure relief, and Personal preferences) hopefully using the testing guidelines in the tutorial post and with both of you on the mattress. This would be especially important with your bad back in combination with your higher weight because a mattress that is too soft for you certainly won't do your back any favors.

The Ultimate Dreams Supreme Gel is designed to be closely comparable to the firmness of the Tempurpedic Cloud Supreme (which in turn is similar to the Tempurpedic Cloud Supreme Breeze) and the Select Foam Cirrus Supreme is designed to be closely comparable to the Tempurpedic Cloud Supreme Breeze so if you are confident that the Supreme Breeze really is a good match for both of you then both of these would certainly be "in the range" that would be suitable for you. Loom & Leaf compares their mattress to the Cloud Luxe Breeze on their website but I don't know if they are comparing them based on firmness and "feel" or based on the quality of the materials they are using but if it's based on firmness and feel then it would be a little softer than the Supreme Breeze which in turn could be more risky in terms of maintaining good alignment on the mattress over the course of the night.

I would also make sure you talk to each of your finalists on the phone because when you can't test a mattress in person before a purchase then most reliable source of guidance is always a more detailed phone conversation with a knowledgeable and experienced retailer or manufacturer that has your best interests at heart who can help "talk you through" the specifics of their mattresses and the options they have available that may be the best "match" for you based on the information you provide them, any local testing you have done or mattresses you have slept on and liked that they are familiar with, any special considerations you may have, and the "averages" of other customers that are similar to you. They will know more about "matching" their specific mattress designs or firmness options to different body types, sleeping positions, and preferences or even to other mattresses that they are familiar with than anyone else.

In terms of quality and durability ...

As you can see in the quality and durability guidelines here ... you are on the edge of the weight range where I would be cautious with the use of 4 lb memory foam which may soften or break down faster than higher density memory foams.

The Ultimate Dreams Supreme Gel uses 1.5" of softer 4 lb memory foam on top of 2.5" of firmer memory foam on top of an 8" 1.8 lb polyfoam support core so with 4" of 4 lb memory foam there would be a higher risk of foam softening which could reduce the useful life of a mattress relative to your weight range.

The Loom & Leaf uses a "belly band" of soft solid gel which in theory could help with alignment by providing some additional support and "holding up" the heavier parts of your body (hips and pelvis) but the top layer is 2" of convoluted 4 lb memory foam and convoluted foam would be less durable than solid layers of the same density foam. The 2.5" of 5.3 lb memory foam underneath this would be suitable for your body weight but there is also a 2" transition layer of polyfoam underneath this which is most likely 1.5 lb density and with your higher weight you would compress this layer more than someone who was lighter so it would also be lower density than I would be comfortable with in your weight range.

The Select Foam Cirrus Supreme uses 2" of 4 lb gel memory foam (non convoluted) on top of 2" of 5.3 lb gel memory foam on top of a base layer that would be more than 2 lb density so it has the least amount of lower density memory foam and a higher density base layer so it would likely be the most durable of your three choices and would be similar in terms of durability to the Tempurpedic Cloud Supreme Breeze.

In terms of value ...

"Value" depends on all the objective, subjective, and intangible criteria that are part of a mattress purchase including the suitability of a mattress, the durability of a mattress, and all the other parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you including of course the price and the options you have after a purchase to exchange or return the mattress and the cost involved just in case your choice doesn't turn out as well as you hoped for.

In terms of price ... the Dreamfoam is by far the lowest price. They are $549 queen or $749 king less 10% if you order from the Dreamfoam site and you would also receive a free pillow bonus for your membership here. The significantly lower price may be enough to offset the potential lower durability of thicker layers of 4 lb memory foam. If you order from the Dreamfoam site they have a 45 day trial period and there is a $99 cost to return the mattress for a refund if it doesn't turn out to be a suitable choice in terms of PPP.

The Loom & Leaf is $999 queen or $1399 king which is almost twice the cost of the Dreamfoam. It has the potential advantage of the zoned construction but there is also some risk of durability issues relative to your weight range because of the quality/density of the foam layers they are using. They have a 100 day trial period and they don't return the shipping cost if your mattress doesn't turn out to be a suitable choice in terms of PPP but this would likely also be under $100.

Select Foam Cirrus Supreme is $1399 queen or $1699 king less the 5% discount for your membership here. They are the most costly of your three choices but they also use the highest quality materials and would likely also be the most durable choice out of the three. They have a 90 day trial period and there is no cost involved in returning the mattress for a refund if it doesn't turn out to be as suitable choice in terms of PPP.

There is also more about the different ways that one mattress can approximate or "match" another one in post #9 here . Select Foam also specifically designs their mattresses to be close approximations to the Tempurpedic Mattresses in terms of feel and firmness levels (although this can also be somewhat subjective) based partly on side by side comparisons in their store in Tampa and they use the same or better quality/density materials as Tempurpedic as well. As you mentioned though ... a few of their customers have experienced delays and customer service issues after their purchase including with refunds and I would certainly take this and the frustration that can go with it into account and factor it in as part of your decision about who you are most comfortable dealing with (see post #4 here ).

Hopefully this will help you with making your final choice between them :)

Phoenix

NOTE ADDED: Because of ongoing customer service issues and delays Select Foam's membership has been terminated and I would read the warning here before considering them.
26 Apr 2015 09:38
Thank you again for the wonderful information. The trip down to Brickell Mattress was great. Pedro stayed an hour after closing time to take care of us and provided a wealth of information. I believe at this point we have decided against the latex mattress even though it's generally regarded as a higher quality material just due to it's stiffness. Those mattresses without sufficient amounts of polyfoam on top of them do not allow me to sink into them enough to get proper alignment.

I am 6'2" and 220lbs. So I am a large guy, moderately built with wide shoulders. I require a comfort layer with enough give to allow my shoulders and hips to sink in pretty good yet fill in between. This is where the Tempurpedic Cloud Luxe Breeze and the Select Foam CIrrus luxe 13" do very well for me. I also however need to balance the needs of my wife. She finds those two mattresses comfortable as well, however tough to roll over in, and I agree with her but I do not roll as much so to me that's not a problem I would be concerned with. For her, she found the Select Foam Cirrus Supreme 11" more comfortable and easier to roll in. I would agree it's easier to roll in and just about as comfortable, if we choose to go with that one, I certainly would be happy. We didn't have enough time to then check out the Tempurpedic Cloud Supreme to compare it to the Select Foam Cirrus Supreme but I'm sure it's pretty close. So why didn't we just buy the Cirrus Supreme?

Well, at this point we are in discussion about price, product and value. As I have mentioned in my first post, The value point, I'm not as worried about, I'm not rich by any measure, and given the choice, the $2200 Select Foam sounds much better to me than the $5700 Tempurpedic. Now I can afford the $5,700 mattress should we choose that one however once we have made the choice, I want to be assured it is the one that feels amazing for both of us. So the product is the main focus of the conversation. Now here is yet another variable, we have a family member who works for Tempurpedic, and with the family discount, we can get 50% off, so the retail price then comes pretty close to the Select Foam, so again the 'value' comes back real close in margin.

We have narrowed it down to those 4 mattresses, and even though I know the Select Foam is a better value for the money, and I love the fact that it's a natural Soy based foam rather than petrochemical based. I am not sure it will provide us with the same cooling effect as the Breeze versions of the two Tempurpedic mattresses mentioned above. After laying in the Select Foam mattress for just 15 minutes, I could feel the heat begin to collect a little bit, not too horrible, but noticeable, where as the Tempurpedic Cloud Luxe Breeze, had no such effect even after about a 30 minute test the other day. This is an important fact due to where we live, in South Florida it's not only hot but humid as well and we have to keep the A/C on 69 degrees at night to not only keep it cool enough but to keep the humidity down. Now on this same point, I am concerned with how the "Breeze" technology actually works. I have Googled my brains out trying to find a cut away or actual detailed explanation on it without the marketing bull crap and I have had no luck. My concern is that the "Breeze" technology is some sort of thin gel material on top of the mattress that will break down over time, so it may feel great for the first year, but after that it will be just like the non "Breeze" version. Do you have any insight into this technology?

I think we now at a point, where we need to go back to one of the stores to try to compare in detail the two Tempurpedics (Cloud Luxe Breeze and Cloud Supreme Breeze) since it's easier for us to find a local store carrying those. Once we can narrow the choice down between those two, we can take the choice back to Brickell Mattress to decide between the Tempurpedic and the comparable Select Foam.
02 Dec 2014 12:44
Hi ThatPerfectBed,

Since all the above choices are Internet based (I live in NYC), any helpful advice would be greatly appreciated.


There is more about the most important parts of the value of a mattress purchase in post #13 here that can help you make more meaningful comparisons between mattresses.

Since the choice of materials or types of mattresses is a personal preference ... the first thing I would suggest is to choose between memory foam and latex to help you narrow down your choices. There is more about how they compare in post #2 here but the most reliable way to decide which one you tend to prefer would be based on local testing on a range of mattresses that used each material in different firmness levels. The better options or possibilities I'm aware of in the New York area are listed in post #2 here .

All of the mattresses you are considering use good quality materials and there are no lower quality materials or weak links in any of them.

If you decide on memory foam then The Cirrus Supreme is an approximation of the Tempurpedic Cloud Supreme Breeze and the Regalis is an approximation of the Tempurpedic Rhapsody Breeze so I would use your local testing on these two mattresses (which are widely available) along with a more detailed conversation with Select Foam to decide which of them is the best match for you in terms of PPP.

If you have tested different types and blends of latex locally and you decide you prefer latex then you would need a more detailed conversation with Arizona Premium to help "talk you through" which of the two options you are considering there would be the best "match" for you (see mattress firmness/comfort levels in post #2 here ).

The Eco Sleep mattress is a latex/polyfoam hybrid that uses blended Talalay in the comfort layers and 2 lb polyfoam in the support core. Their Natural Talalay mattress uses 100% natural Talalay in all the layers. There is more about latex/polyfoam hybrids vs all latex mattresses in post #2 here .

Hopefully this can help you narrow down some good options to the final choice that is the best match for you in terms of PPP and all the other parts of your personal value equation that are most important to you.

Phoenix
14 Nov 2014 15:15
I'm very close to making a final decision on my new mattress, but can't quite get there. I recently tested the Tempurpedic Cloud Supreme and the Cloud Luxe, and loved the Supreme and felt the Luxe was too soft. So, I've zeroed in on the comparable Cirrus Supreme ES-11 from Select Foam and the Pure Cool Supreme from Brooklyn Bedding. I noticed that the SF mattress has 2" of 4lb gel memory foam over 2" of 5.3 lb gelfoam support layer. The BB mattress has 1.5" of 5 lb memory foam over 3" of 4lb gel memory foam. Would the 5lb over the 4lb provide a different feel than the 4lb over the 5lb?

A quick tangent - I found the Mattress Underground (so happy I did!!!) while I was researching the Casper Mattress, and I decided that the 3" inches total in the comfort layers wasn't enough for me as a heavier person. But I'm still intrigued by latex - I just have never tried it. I don't know what I could try out locally, since it's not like the memory foam mattresses that compare themselves to Tempurpedics. Should I make an effort to try latex before I make a final decision? Or does the fact that I did like the Cloud Supreme suggest that I'll be happier with memory foam than latex?

Thanks!
24 Sep 2014 15:13
I'd like to begin by thanking Phoenix for putting this awesome community together. I'd be sleeping on a pacbed from Bedinabox tonight if I hadn't found this site and decided to do more research before purchasing.

The TL;DR question I'd like to pose is: Which Dreamfoam Ultimate Dreams mattress, the 12" Supreme or 13" Gel, would be a closer match to the Beautyrest Renewed Energy mattress?

The long version:
My wife and I went on our honeymoon this month and slept pretty well on a firm innerspring that had a fairly thin comfort layer. We returned home to our worn out innerspring, and I'm back to tossing/turning and my back is KILLING me. Time for a replacement.

I wanted a queen memory mattress and foundation for under $1000, but wouldn't mind paying up to $1000 for just the mattress. I read sleeplikethedead and was sold on the pacbed original until I found the underground. I looked briefly at SelectFoam Cirrus Prima ($1099), but I really like the price of the Dreamfoam 12" ($599) and 13" ($699) - right in line with the pacbed.

The wife and I visited a retailer in town (Findlay OH) so we could lay on some name brands. In general, the wife liked the "medium" mattresses over the "soft" or "firm". We decided the Comforpedic Renewed Energy was our favorite (store called it a plush firm). It's what I was looking for going in: a comfort layer thick enough that I could sink into, but not a "soft" mattress that left us out of alignment. I also liked that it was quicker responding than the Tempurpedics, but I could live with the slower response.

Thankfully, I found out some details of the renewed energy right here on the forum:

Phoenix wrote: ...Renewed Energy...
1" 4.0lb. air cool memory foam with trutemp gel: This is a medium quality/density memory foam.
1.5" 1.65lb air cool memory foam: This seems to be a polyfoam density not a memory foam density. If this is correct and the layer is really memory foam then it is very low quality/density.
2" 4.5lb aircool memory foam: This is also in a medium quality/density range
2" Independent Support Foam: The information about the type and quality of this foam layer is missing
AirCool Transflexion Core Base: The information about the type and quality of the foam support core is also missing.
Phoenix


So it looks more like 3" of memory foam with a 1.5" polyfoam over the base foam. I'm left wondering if the 1.5"+2.5" of 4lb, or 3" of 4lb + 2" of 5lb from the Ultimate Dreams mattresses would be closer.

I submitted a message to Dreamfoam this morning, but haven't heard back. I plan on calling them shortly.

Thanks,
Ryan

Edit: Stats - 6' 190lb and 5'-11" ~160lb for the wife. More side/stomach than back, but on our current mattress I'm waking up every few hours and trying everything.
08 Sep 2014 10:36
Well that was less than useful. I called out to Verlo and he was not able to provide any information. All he said was there are 4 or 5 layers of foam and he uses a 4lb foam. He did say his foam comes out of Milwakee, if that is of any help. Made in the USA, not the china stuff.

Great, thanks. He was kind enough to have me come in and he would show me the different layers he uses and that he can customize the bed for me.

I also called out to Select Foam and talked to Peter. Nice guy. Offered up info I had already gathered and knew.
With the sale prices and discount, I would be down to about $1750. They are working on a new cover like the coolmax, but not available yet. About where I want to be. He said the cirrus supreme and luxe have reviews and to read those to see how customers are responding to their mattress compared to the tempurpedic model. Worth some reading.

That is the latest update. I will try and call a different Verlo store to see if they can offer up any other info, unless somebody else has info on the Verlo v5.
02 Sep 2014 10:00
My husband is 6' and close to 300 lbs and I am 5'2" and 120 lbs. We are both side and back sleepers on a 20 year old spring mattress which is causing me back and neck pain. He has no pain issues. After testing out the Tempurpedic mattresses I liked the feel of the Rhapsody luxe and the cloud supreme. I narrowed my choices down to the aria from novosbed, the cool supreme and cool symphony from Brooklyn bedding and the regalia luxe from select foam. I know with my husband being a heavier set person it is best to stick with 5 lb memory foam in the upper layers so I am hesitant in making a final decision since some of my narrowed down choices have 4 lb memory foam.
Cirrus supreme
2" 4lb gel memory foam
2" 5.3 lb gel foam support layer

Regalia luxe
1.5" 7.2 lb comfort layer
2.5" 5.3lb support layer

Aria
2" 4.1 lb plush memory foam
2" 5.2 lb memory foam

Cool symphony
1" 4lb gel memory foam
3" 4 lb memory foam

Cool supreme
1.5" 4 lb gel memory foam
3" 5 lb memory foam

The regalis seems like the best choice but comes a bit out of my price range. Do you think I would have durability issues with any of the other choices?
10 Aug 2014 15:06
Hi Dobal,

There is more about the different ways that one mattress can "match" another one in post #9 here but these types of comparisons can be fairly subjective so you will often find a wide range of opinions about how well one mattress "matches" another one.

While I don't have any personal experience sleeping on either of the mattresses you are considering ... a forum search on Select Foam Grandis and on Select Foam Cirrus Supreme (you can just click the links) will bring up more information and feedback about both of them.

Hopefully some of the members here that own either one will also see your post and share their comments and feedback as well.

Phoenix
10 Aug 2014 14:17
:ohmy: I have been looking at Tempurpedic mattresses and have narrowed it down to two. One On=line site, Select Foam, has what appears to be apple to apple comparisons of Tempurpedic models to their own. Has anyone purchased from them and found their comparisons to be accurate? I sure would like to get something that costs less than the Tempurpedic!

FYI...if it matters, I am looking at the Grandis (comparable to Tempurpedic's Grand Bed) and the Cirrus Supreme ES (comparable to the Tempurpedic Cloud Supreme)
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