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issues with 5" 20ILD comfort layer due to misidentification of mattress toplayer

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19 Dec 2018 07:05 #1 by mike7000
ordered a SOL 9" medium latex mattress, and mistakenly assumed that the medium implied a medium top/comfort layer of 2" 28ILD. it turns out the "medium" is simply the overall term given to the mattress and not the top/comfort layer.

i knew the 2" comfort layer was not offering enough pressure relief so i ordered a 3" talalay 20ILD from sleepEZ. i have been sleeping on this for a little over a month, and while i no longer exhibit any pressure issues (pain in shoulders/hips from side sleeping), i do experience a little lower back pain when sleeping on my back and in general the overall "feel" of the mattress never felt quite right. i am a light person (6'1'', 150lbs), and would not sink in too far into the mattress, but i still felt a somewhat hammock feel or something else i cannot quite explain.

i contacted SOL and determined that i was operating under the wrong assumption, and that the 9" latex was actually 6" 34ILD and 2" 20ILD - which when paired with my 3" sleepEZ topper meant i now created a 5" 20ILD comfort layer.

so this would help explain the slightly odd feeling i have in terms of hammock feeling (even though i do not experience any pressure issues in shoulders and hips when sleeping on my side).

i'm going to attempt to flip the mattress over to pair the 3" 20ILD talalay topper directly on the 6" 34ILD support base to see how that feels and whether i induce any pressure issues when side sleeping.

while im not a heavy-enough person to really "sink in" to the 5" comfort layer to the point where i think i am experiencing significant spinal misalignment, i can definitely tell it doesn't "feel right".

i think the optimal solution would be to swap the 3" talalay topper out with the 2", yielding 6" 34ILD and 4" 20ILD comfort layer, but unfortunately i just realized all of this and am slightly outside of the 30day return period.

do you have any other insight or commentary/data to provide regarding typical issues with such a significant (5") comfort layer? or any other options that may be available to me to try? im going to flip the mattress and see if the 3" topper is sufficient on top of the 6" 34ILD base, even though the 2" was clearly not enough. thank you.

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19 Dec 2018 07:42 #2 by mike7000
ok - so i flipped the mattress such that 6" 34ILD is on top in conjunction with the 3" talalay 20ILD topper, and the mattress as a whole (system of components) now feels more in-line with expectations.

i was having difficultly sleeping lately because as lying in bed i could not stop analyzing the behavior and knew something just wasn't quite right. once i realized i had a 5" 20ILD comfort layer (vs 3" 20ILD and 2" 28ILD), it all made sense. there is no more "hammock" feeling (even for as light of a person as i am and how little i actually "sink in", and it feels much more typical as one would expect.

initial tests indicate no immediate pressure issues when side sleeping with the 3" talalay 20ILD topper (even though they were evident with just the 2" dunlop comfort layer) - but will know more over the course of the next few nights.

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20 Dec 2018 17:05 #3 by Sleep EZ
Hello Mike

Thank you for your inquiry. I am glad to hear that you figured out a configuration that works for you. I would have had to agree that 5" of 20ILD would be much too soft for most, and would cause lower back pain due to the lack of support. At 150lbs, I would have recommended either a 2" or 3" soft (20ILD) layer on top of support layers/core, which is ultimately now what you are lying on.

Let us know how this works out for you. Please feel free to come back if you have anymore questions for us. Thanks again!

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25 Dec 2018 18:14 #4 by mike7000
what's interesting is i presumed i would still need a medium "transition" layer, as based on what i thought i had originally configured (6" 34ILD, 2" 28ILD, 3" 20ILD). but after the past (5) nights on the 6" 34ILD support /3" 20ILD comfort layout - in a myriad of sleeping positions - i have not once woken up with any form of shoulder, lower back, or neck pain.

i presumed i would still need to introduce the 2" 28ILD "medium" transition layer, especially as when i sat down with all weight on my butt i could feel myself "sinking through" the 3" comfort layer into the firm support layer - but real world experience based on back and side sleeping has yielded no pressure point issues. so it apepars the medium transition layer is likely not needed at all and i can call this solved! that was much easier than expected and a bit of a eureka moment once i realized i had mistaken the SoL comfort layer for 28ILD vs 20ILD.

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26 Dec 2018 20:45 #5 by rob1221
It sounds good. The 1" cotton layer will be good but if you want to have more comfort then you can make it 1.5" cotton layer. The extra coil will be perfect because it will not give the pain in the back. Mattress with full of cotton is not good for the back. You can also go for the air mattress because it will help in your back posture also. But do not pick any mattress, search for the best air mattress for your comfort.

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27 Dec 2018 10:07 #6 by Sleep EZ
Mike

I believe that due to your weight (150lbs), the 3" soft layer was all that you needed for contour. If you were say 175lbs, you may have needed that medium layer because your body weight would have went straight through the soft layer, directly to the support core.

Thanks again for all your feedback! Happy holidays!

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09 Jan 2019 14:59 - 09 Jan 2019 15:01 #7 by mike7000
i returned the 9" mattress (6" 34ILD, 2" 20ILD) in replacement for the 7" version (6" 34ILD), as i did not want to leave the mattress flipped over in a temporary configuration with the 20ILD comfort layer on bottom.

i did not anticipate much of a difference in feel with from the flipped-over 9" version:

2" 20ILD > 6" 34ILD > 3" talalay 20ILD topper

vs the 7" version:

6" 34ILD > 3" talalay 20ILD topper

however there was a noticeable difference in overall firmness of the bed - including the top, talalay comfort layer. i certainly preferred the previous configuration, and did not anticipate such a difference with the absence of the 2" 20ILD on the very bottom of the previous flipped-over mattress.

would it be expected that the 2" 20ILD on bottom would decrease overall firmness of the mattress? or is it possible that there will be some initial softening of the 6" 34ILD support layer after sleeping on it for some time (the previous mattress was 2months old).

a bit unexpected, and it's clear i now require a transition layer of 28ILD medium firmness to soften the overall feel of the mattress and align back with my expectations (no pun).

could anyone provide any input here? what criteria would i use to determine whether to introduce a 2" or 3" 28ILD medium transition layer:

6" 34ILD > 2-3" 28ILD > 3" talalay 20ILD topper.

thank you.
Last edit: 09 Jan 2019 15:01 by mike7000.

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09 Jan 2019 19:17 - 09 Jan 2019 19:19 #8 by mike7000
also open to suggestions or input regarding utilizing 2/3" talalay 28ILD as the transiton layer, vs dunlop - to match the talalay comfort layer 3" 20ILD.

does anyone have any experience with (2) layers of talalay in such a configuration? i think that would also give me additional option to experience with: ie, being able to swap the 20ILD and 30ILD around and testing how each behaves when used in transition vs comfort layer.
Last edit: 09 Jan 2019 19:19 by mike7000.

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10 Jan 2019 08:21 #9 by mike7000
after another night it is clear i am experiencing slight pains and discomfort with the 6” 34ILD / 3” talalay 20ILD configuration.

i removed the topper and felt the 6” 34ILD directly, and it is firm but fairly compressible if i put all of my weight down on it. so i do not think i was mistakenly sent the firmer 6” 40+ILD they also offer.

it’s certainly odd as there is a stark difference in softness of the feel of the 3” 20ILD talalay comfort layer topper. if i slowly lower my hips onto the topper, i can feel the sinking-in, but i do not feel the plush, softness of it as i did previously.

so either the previous mattress 6” 34ILD “softened up” after 2 months of use, or somehow the 20ILD comfort layer of the original mattress (flipped over) UNDERNEATH the 6” 34ILD is responsible for a relatively drastic difference in overall softness of the mattess and the 6” support layer.

this was certainly unexpected result. i’ll give it some more time to see if the new mattress 6” 34ILD support layer “softens up” slightly (not entirely expected) - and otherwise start investigating medium/28ILD transition layer.

does anyone have an explanation as to why a 2” 20ILD layer on the very bottom of the mattess (under the 6” 34ILD support layer) would cause the support and top comfort (3” 20ILD talalay) layer to feel softer?

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10 Jan 2019 17:49 #10 by Sleep EZ
Hello Mike

I apologize, but back on Dec. 25th you stated that your mattress issues were solved. Did something happen with the comfort in your mattress since then? You were debating whether or not you needed a medium transition layer, but after trying your setup without it, you felt "eureka".

The configuration that worked for you was a 36ILD 6" core and a 20ILD 3" layer on top. Did this configuration end up not working for you afterall? If so, what were the issues with it? I will be happy to help you with configuration suggestion again, however I will need to start back at your 'eureka' configuration to see what went wrong, and go from there.

I will await your reply. Thanks again for your feedback. All the best.

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